AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #5

[Tonto]

Websleuths is not going to solve this one, Cab guy.

We could perhaps help if we knew whether or not the OReillys video is relevant, and if it is, if we could view it. Otherwise, you're more than probably right.

 

[Seajay]

We could perhaps help if we knew whether or not the OReillys video is relevant, and if it is, if we could view it. Otherwise, you're more than probably right.

We've heard Rick Salinas say it's not his daughter. We need LE to say it. We need to know it's been ruled out by THEM. If LE has doubts that Rick is right, we still have that avenue to explore. If Rick is right, then we need to know to end looking that way. We need to know.

 

[gngr~snap]

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It would Take DR George 11 minutes max going the normal speed limit on the highway before hitting up priest drive to get up to AS apartment after dropping Annovedwin's body on Minton.

I'm assuming he was driving faster on the 60 w to get away from the scene of the crime and could have gotten to the apartment within 8-9 minutes easy.

I have more maps but this is a good general idea of routes and travel times. Hope it helps!

Thank You!
Single car wreck at 3:43am
911 called.
*did police respond to the area and look for the car? Check on the driver's welfare?? (do we even know that her tires weren't disabled sometime after she left)
like at a Circle K??
that caused the wreck...

She then left vehicle on street & walked. (either couldn't get it home or wanted to hide it)

??? why not call someone at the party to pick her up?

Discovery of a body left on the street at 4:30am
911 called
* we know they responded here

AS vanishing at 5:07am

Was the car accident a diverson?

She is at her apartment while he dumps body and returns to the area??
Sounds like there was no way she was staying at her apartment that night /morning.


Jmo- I forget exactly how I was at 19... but if I went out alone "LATE" I called my mom and checked in so someone would know if I went missing.
<I had a friend who was raped and killed when I was 16>

My 20 yr old barely even says "hi" and "bye" (* I keep up with him tho - he hates me.

BUT WHO DID HE CALL WHEN HE LOCKED HIS KEYS IN HIS CAR OUTSIDE A CLUB IN A SEEDY PART OF TOWN??? mama

Ok back to Adrienne...
my nurse brain says
TOO MUCH WANDERING AROUND in the dark by herself considering her recent hospitalization...why not phone a friend???

If I had survived lung surgery and had blown out my tires somehow I doubt I'd even be able to walk!!!
Her boyfriend doesn't answer the cell either...
At least LE has the pings!



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[2Hip2BSquare]

I'm just using common sense. Snark unnecessary.

Nothing I said was "snarky". In fact I was honestly asking what you might know about the case that would rule DR George out as a suspect in AS case. I like to know why people feel the way they do.

Now that I know it was bc of common sense I respect your opinion and hope that you are indeed right. I would never want that creep to ever be around/abduct AS. I just want to consider all avenues and possibilities.

All things said are in theory and my opinion. If anyone takes offense to anything I say, I am truly sorry and meant no harm/offense.

 

[cluciano63]

The car in the video should be identified, regardless of who the person is. I have to believe LE has done this already, since they are not asking for help. Also, the person should be identified by LE anyway, in case they witnessed anything.

 

[gngr~snap]

Websleuths is not going to solve this one, Cab guy.

no... we aren't

It helps to have a place to discuss cases that have gripped us.
Sometimes we have ah ha moments!

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[2Hip2BSquare]

Thank You!
Single car wreck at 3:43am
911 called.
*did police respond to the area and look for the car? Check on the driver's welfare?? (do we even know that her tires weren't disabled sometime after she left)
like at a Circle K??
that caused the wreck...

She then left vehicle on street & walked. (either couldn't get it home or wanted to hide it)

??? why not call someone at the party to pick her up?

Discovery of a body left on the street at 4:30am
911 called
* we know they responded here

AS vanishing at 5:07am

Was the car accident a diverson?

She is at her apartment while he dumps body and returns to the area??
Sounds like there was no way she was staying at her apartment that night /morning.


Jmo- I forget exactly how I was at 19... but if I went out alone "LATE" I called my mom and checked in so someone would know if I went missing.
<I had a friend who was raped and killed when I was 16>

My 20 yr old barely even says "hi" and "bye" (* I keep up with him tho - he hates me.

BUT WHO DID HE CALL WHEN HE LOCKED HIS KEYS IN HIS CAR OUTSIDE A CLUB IN A SEEDY PART OF TOWN??? mama

Ok back to Adrienne...
my nurse brain says
TOO MUCH WANDERING AROUND in the dark by herself considering her recent hospitalization...why not phone a friend???

If I had survived lung surgery and had blown out my tires somehow I doubt I'd even be able to walk!!!
Her boyfriend doesn't answer the cell either...
At least LE has the pings!



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The most recent reports said after the 911 call police did check the general area where she wrecked that night and didn't find her car.

I'm assuming she didn't ask anyone at the party to pick her up/help maybe bc she didnt think it would be wise for them to leave the house with a party raging? Possibly was embarrassed about the drama of the night and didn't want to bother her friends/ruin their night? Maybe she figured they were too intoxicated? So many things - all according to her mind alone and her situation.

 

[karenky]

*SNIP*

Ok back to Adrienne...
my nurse brain says
TOO MUCH WANDERING AROUND in the dark by herself considering her recent hospitalization...why not phone a friend???

Why phone a friend when they are all probably already at your apartment?

 

[gngr~snap]

The Circle K clerk was the person who witnessed the assault on Annovedwin only days before her murder. The Circle K clerk is the person that called the cops on DR George after seeing him slam her head on the car.

He could have decided to leave AS in the trunk of a car instead of on the street. I don't think he had a specific ritualistic MO for how he disposes.

(This all would be primarily fueled by drugs and alcohol on his part (and just being evil) bc he has an extensive record of alcohol related charges in OK.)

I think he most likely would have killed Annovedwin as she decided to go ahead and talk to the officers and incriminate DRG and he felt "betrayed" coupled with the fact that she would get in the way of any attempt he might have to abduct another female. It's as if he had no use for Annovedwin anymore and might have wanted Adrienne to take her place. Annovedwin was more of a liability to his abusive desires alive than she was deceased, in his sick mind.

Good (well not good )
This was what I was thinking
about him.
Rage killing...
she was beaten and stab wounds were shallow...
Imo-
it was to try and hide her identity for a short while
probably afraid of cutting himself too...



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[cluciano63]

*SNIP*

Ok back to Adrienne...
my nurse brain says
TOO MUCH WANDERING AROUND in the dark by herself considering her recent hospitalization...why not phone a friend???

Why phone a friend when they are all probably already at your apartment?

She did not want help, IMO. She only wanted to go to boyfriend's to continue or resolve the argument.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

The car in the video should be identified, regardless of who the person is. I have to believe LE has done this already, since they are not asking for help. Also, the person should be identified by LE anyway, in case they witnessed anything.

TBH I think the video from Oreilly's was just a pipe dream hope on LEs part to try and get some sort of lead on a case with little to no forensic/concrete evidence.

I don't know this for sure and you can be complete right that LE knew it was her and released it for a reason.

Thing is the video hasn't been released very long and hasn't been shared or referred to much since Rick said he knew it wasn't his daughter. Seems like it became a dead lead IMO. Then again maybe not.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The Circle K clerk was the person who witnessed the assault on Annovedwin only days before her murder. The Circle K clerk is the person that called the cops on DR George after seeing him slam her head on the car.

He could have decided to leave AS in the trunk of a car instead of on the street. I don't think he had a specific ritualistic MO for how he disposes.

(This all would be primarily fueled by drugs and alcohol on his part (and just being evil) bc he has an extensive record of alcohol related charges in OK.)

I think he most likely would have killed Annovedwin as she decided to go ahead and talk to the officers and incriminate DRG and he felt "betrayed" coupled with the fact that she would get in the way of any attempt he might have to abduct another female. It's as if he had no use for Annovedwin anymore and might have wanted Adrienne to take her place. Annovedwin was more of a liability to his abusive desires alive than she was deceased, in his sick mind.

Here's a link to an article that mentions the Circle K incident.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22817771/man-pleads-not-guilty-to-killing-woman-dumping-nude-body

 

[gngr~snap]

The car in the video should be identified, regardless of who the person is. I have to believe LE has done this already, since they are not asking for help. Also, the person should be identified by LE anyway, in case they witnessed anything.

LE as far as I know has not asked for the person in the video to come forward.
That has to mean something
I bet they have ID'd the car as well.
Clu you are better at this than me!
-thanks for being you !
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[2Hip2BSquare]

Thank You!
Single car wreck at 3:43am
911 called.
*did police respond to the area and look for the car? Check on the driver's welfare?? (do we even know that her tires weren't disabled sometime after she left)
like at a Circle K??
that caused the wreck...

She then left vehicle on street & walked. (either couldn't get it home or wanted to hide it)

??? why not call someone at the party to pick her up?

Discovery of a body left on the street at 4:30am
911 called
* we know they responded here

AS vanishing at 5:07am

Was the car accident a diverson?

She is at her apartment while he dumps body and returns to the area??
Sounds like there was no way she was staying at her apartment that night /morning.


Jmo- I forget exactly how I was at 19... but if I went out alone "LATE" I called my mom and checked in so someone would know if I went missing.
<I had a friend who was raped and killed when I was 16>

My 20 yr old barely even says "hi" and "bye" (* I keep up with him tho - he hates me.

BUT WHO DID HE CALL WHEN HE LOCKED HIS KEYS IN HIS CAR OUTSIDE A CLUB IN A SEEDY PART OF TOWN??? mama

Ok back to Adrienne...
my nurse brain says
TOO MUCH WANDERING AROUND in the dark by herself considering her recent hospitalization...why not phone a friend???

If I had survived lung surgery and had blown out my tires somehow I doubt I'd even be able to walk!!!
Her boyfriend doesn't answer the cell either...
At least LE has the pings!



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And remember that Annovedwin's body was discovered at 4:30, but could have been layed on the street up to ten minutes before she was found around 4:20 am. Reports say her body had only been on the street minutes before being discovered.

Her lung/respiratory issues also are of a grave concern IMO if any accident or foul play was involved here. In any case I worry that her medical issues played some sort of role in her disappearance. She had significant breathing issues

 

[Tonto]

The car in the video should be identified, regardless of who the person is. I have to believe LE has done this already, since they are not asking for help. Also, the person should be identified by LE anyway, in case they witnessed anything.

I agree that police have probably ID'd the car - or have a good idea who it is - which is probably why they will no longer talk about it nor release the video. Having said this, I feel like if they felt it wasn't involved, they would have made it clear by now. But - we can't go on that until they say one way or the other, which is why it is virtually impossible right now to posit tenable theories.

 

[gngr~snap]

She did not want help, IMO. She only wanted to go to boyfriend's to continue or resolve the argument.

TY! makes sense now.


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[Deleted member 39678]

I can't buy into a theory that Douglas George killed Adrienne. He appears to have brutally killed is girlfriend and dumped her body where it was easily found. He also left incriminating evidence in his home that links him to her murder.

Police searched the couple's home, and detectives found evidence that connects George to the murder, Pooley says

I don't see him dumping one body in the open, leaving behind evidence and then hiding Adrienne's body so good that she hasn't been found.

It doesn't fit to me. MOO.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/06/douglas_ray_george_charged_wit.php

 

[cab guy]

We could perhaps help if we knew whether or not the OReillys video is relevant, and if it is, if we could view it. Otherwise, you're more than probably right.

I have a new video shot this morning of the walk from Adrienne's apartment to the AM PM + some video of the O'Reilly's parking lot and the dumpsters in back. Anyone interested in seeing what Adrienne may have seen as she walked toward the cab?

 

[cluciano63]

Do we know for sure she had significant breathing issues? I know she had surgery some months prior but had been cleared to resume work. But I am doubtful about her health being a factor in her going missing.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I think if something would have happened around Oreilly's or UNI and Hardy, someone would have taken notice or remembered IMO. That's a pretty significant/busy intersection. I Used to drive it all the time and tons of pedestrians/transients/drivers utilize it at seemingly all hours of the day/night.

I think it happened closer to her apartment IMHO.