AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #5

[2Hip2BSquare]

I have a new video shot this morning of the walk from Adrienne's apartment to the AM PM + some video of the O'Reilly's parking lot and the dumpsters in back. Anyone interested in seeing what Adrienne may have seen as she walked toward the cab?

Yes please!

 

[gngr~snap]

And remember that Annovedwin's body was discovered at 4:30, but could have been layed on the street up to ten minutes before she was found around 4:20 am. Reports say her body had only been on the street minutes before being discovered.

Her lung/respiratory issues also are of a grave concern IMO if any accident or foul play was involved here. In any case I worry that her medical issues played some sort of role in her disappearance. She had significant breathing issues

I agree. This is the first time I have read it was significant.
I just heard her dad say she was beginning to be herself ride her bike again etc...





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[margarita25]

I can't buy into a theory that Douglas George killed Adrienne. He appears to have brutally killed is girlfriend and dumped her body where it was easily found. He also left incriminating evidence in his home that links him to her murder.


I don't see him dumping one body in the open, leaving behind evidence and then hiding Adrienne's body so good that she hasn't been found.

It doesn't fit to me. MOO.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/06/douglas_ray_george_charged_wit.php

Just getting in, catching up...

The coincidental timing with George is really really amazing to me. I mean talk about smack dab in the middle of all this, and so nearby. Can't get over it. Not to mention you figure in the rage...He is a primary suspect IMO until LE can state exactly on what basis they've ruled him out. JMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Do we know for sure she had significant breathing issues? I know she had surgery some months prior but had been cleared to resume work. But I am doubtful about her health being a factor in her going missing.

She had a completely collapsed lung and had to have masses of it surgically removed. Her recovery time was significant. It happened in Feb 2013. she had just gotten the clear to go back to work and begin resuming relatively normal exercise/physical activities right before her disappearance. Rick said she was just beginning to finally gain weight again and ride her bike. Still, the lungs are not easy to repair, and in most cases most damage is nearly impossible to get them back to the way they were before damage (hence why smoking Is bad kids, mmmkay?)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Just getting in, catching up...

The coincidental timing with George is really really amazing to me. I mean talk about smack dab in the middle of all this, and so nearby. Can't get over it. Not to mention you figure in the rage...He is a primary suspect IMO until LE can state exactly on what basis they've ruled him out. JMO

I agree margarita! You and I have had our EYES on DR George from the beginning of this nightmare. It seems all too coincidental to me as well.

 

[gngr~snap]

Do we know for sure she had significant breathing issues? I know she had surgery some months prior but had been cleared to resume work. But I am doubtful about her health being a factor in her going missing.

I am no valley fever expert but I did read that it can reoccur and thin people are more likely to have collapsed lung happen again as well.
I know that treatment is done over a period of months... for some.

I also am of the understanding that she had part of a lung removed as well...

I guess it really depends on what lobe was affected.

Anyone feel free to correct me if that is not true.

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[Tonto]

I know I sound like a broken record (and like Captain Obvious), but IF that is her at OReillys, then virtually nothing that happened earlier matters (other than providing us with context). If that wasn't her, then virtually everything matters, but it excludes some the more solid theories.

Ugh.

 

[margarita25]

We've heard Rick Salinas say it's not his daughter. We need LE to say it. We need to know it's been ruled out by THEM. If LE has doubts that Rick is right, we still have that avenue to explore. If Rick is right, then we need to know to end looking that way. We need to know.

Indeed. The validity / confirmation of her in that video (or lack thereof) is KEY to the timeline and possible circumstances, IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO if LE believed the video was important, they would show it. That is all I can conclude about it.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

What I worry about is AS having been introduced to A CNS depressant (which reduces respiration activity)

Or

I worry that if she was injured during abduction that she could have gotten a concussion and once again fallen into complete CNS depression and suppressed respiratory functioning.

Additionally, if she had a panic attack during abduction that could have caused her to hyperventilate and possibly have spasms in her damaged lungs that would try to overcompensate for her gasps for oxygen, causing her to lose consciousness and aspiration following.

The lungs are so vital and sensitive. We often forget how necessary our lung health is in respiration and well.... Living.

 

[cab guy]

Yes please!

OK, but it is a long video--15 minutes. It's a walk from Adrienne's apt to AM/PM and shots of O'Reilly's and Circle K. What's the best way to save and upload for easy use of such a large file?--Cab Guy

 

[kymas3434]

OK, but it is a long video--15 minutes. It's a walk from Adrienne's apt to AM/PM and shots of O'Reilly's and Circle K. What's the best way to save and upload for easy use of such a large file?--Cab Guy

Tom, YouTube would be a good place to post such video's.

 

[margarita25]

It has always been my life experience, whether dealing with employees, family members, or friends, when things don't add up, when actions don't match the person, alcohol or drugs, usually drugs, are the culprit. I hear many keep saying, and indeed her father appears to confirm that on this night AS did not act like the woman she has grown up to be. So why such off the wall behavior tonight? For me, the only logical explanation is that her normal behavior patterns were altered. How? By the introduction of drugs into her system. Now hold on, I'm not even slightly suggesting that she voluntarily took some kind of drug. Rather, considering all the things she did that night, and agreeing that many of those things did not fit the way she normally acts, we are left to consider the conclusion that somebody slipped her some drugs that night.
in the cab business in Tempe we see these parties every week, they are not slumber parties. the sole purpose of these parties is so that underage people can drink. they start out with five or ten people, then those call other people, and so on throughout the night. The nature of the party itself, is what makes it so hard for the cops to interview everyone. Who knows who was there? most people come uninvited, thankful for only the cell phone call that got them to the party..."hey it's me, there's a great party over here at Brown and Ash...come on over." The police may never know who was actually at that party, and that is their biggest problem.--Cab Guy

This soooo true. Good points re: the party. I remember in college we referred to them as "after parties". At closing time, when the clubs would get out and everyone's leaving, there would be would be a buzz, "Party at 10th and Broadway", or whatever the address may be. And everyone from the club would suddenly show up at an "address", not even knowing whose house it was or anything. And we'd pretty much party there til the cops busted it up after receiving noise complaints.

That's why this video is so important---if something happened at the party (say accidental overdose, or bad dose, or fatal fight and a cover up to follow, say someone else called the cab), the video is key in proving she did leave the party alive.

My theory of the moment, subject to constant change, is random perp.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

OK, but it is a long video--15 minutes. It's a walk from Adrienne's apt to AM/PM and shots of O'Reilly's and Circle K. What's the best way to save and upload for easy use of such a large file?--Cab Guy

Hmm idk... Typically if you upload it to a server like YouTube then you can link that video here. Typically that works the best. Thank you again for all of your help on ground. Your information is invaluable to AS case and our understanding of this mystery.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Tom, YouTube would be a good place to post such video's.

Hehe jinx! Good day Kmas!!!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

This soooo true. Good points re: the party. I remember in college we referred to them as "after parties". At closing time, when the clubs would get out and everyone's leaving, there would be would be a buzz, "Party at 10th and Broadway", or whatever the address may be. And everyone from the club would suddenly show up at an "address", not even knowing whose house it was or anything. And we'd pretty much party there til the cops busted it up after receiving noise complaints.

That's why this video is so important---if something happened at the party (say accidental overdose, or bad dose, or fatal fight and a cover up to follow, say someone else called the cab), the video is key in proving she did leave the party alive.

My theory of the moment, subject to constant change, is random perp.

Omg this is so true. You just reminded me of the parties I threw in college with the "come one, come all!" attitude.

You never think those ppl would hurt or disrespect you when you host them in your home, but then realize that not all do respect you or your home. There's always those creepers like the guy that sits quiet in a corner looking at the girls or the random guy trying to start fights. Just sayin.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Something else that worries me:

many times complete alcoholics would show up to the party for the free booze and dip by pretending to have known someone else at the party. DR George was an alcoholic and addict.

 

[margarita25]

Cab guy, thank you for joining us here and contributing. I know some of us have been pretty rough on you guys here (and on other social media, I'm sure). I hope you won't take our possible theories personally and understand that this is just what we do here, we scrutinize anyone who was last known to be associated with the victim in any way. Many of us are victims ourselves, or are friends, family, etc of victims, and finding the truth and people who go missing is our number one concern. Your presence here has made me aware that we (edit, "I" will speak for myself) should not be so quick to point fingers before LE has a chance to do their jobs and rule people out. Accusations can do irrepairable damage, and that is really unfair if someone has totally nothing to do with the crime! One problem we've had with people in past cases is that while they were somehow associated with the case, they didn't seem to be trying to help in the search. It says a lot, I think, that you are here to face the music and help find Adrienne. I glad to know that you guys have been officially ruled out by LE and can now help us out here! Welcome to websleuths! Your input as both a local and verified insider is invaluable (special thanks to all you locals, I hope more will join us!).

Question: in your experience/knowledge with that particular area of town (Hardy, etc.), would you consider it to be a high crime area? Are there a lot of violent crimes that have occurred in this general area in the past? What about robberies, carjackings, gangs, drug dealers, etc.?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

IMO if LE believed the video was important, they would show it. That is all I can conclude about it.

I agree. Ty.

 

[margarita25]

Something else that worries me:

many times complete alcoholics would show up to the party for the free booze and dip by pretending to have known someone else at the party. DR George was an alcoholic and addict.

I wonder how much local attention George's photo has gotten. If his story and photo received a lot of publicity, I would think someone at the party would come forth and identify him as being there....but who knows, especially if everyone was trashed or in their own world (playing quarters, video games, or whatever drinking games people play these days).