AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[2Hip2BSquare]

Or maybe there was evidence on her clothes that needed to be rid of? DNA of the suspect? Maybe if she fought back his blood/DNA got on her clothes?

I don't think it necessarily means there was a s** Assault.

Clu, I like how you bleeped that word thank you. The idea of something like that happening to her is too much for me to imagine much the less write out.

 

[Bernina]

From what I've read about the case, either the cab driver or a random predator probably did this. However, it seems hard for me to believe that a random predator would be up and looking for a victim at five in the morning. 2AM or 3AM? Maybe. But 5AM? Probably not.

I don't believe a group of drunk and high underage kids can plan some elaborate murder and coverup and keep it to themselves without a rat in their midst. Especially if the boyfriend were involved. There are far better ways to cover up a crime than going through all of this nonsense. It is far easier for me to believe that a cab driver puts himself on video for a few seconds at a store to cover his tracks than it is for me to believe that these kids could have or would have gone to such extremes to cover up the murder of their friend. Or, a cab driver could have gone into the store, didn't see his fare, called her, and left to pick her up elsewhere.

The cab driver's father, in an interview, said that his son left the store and went straight to his father's house to turn in shift money. Who does this at 5 in the morning? That doesn't make any sense. I know the police probably verified that he went there, but I wonder if they verified his whereabouts the rest of that day and afterwards. Where was his dad during those times?

My money is on the cab driver. It just seems practical to me. He was the last person to contact her and the last person she contacted. He was within a few hundred feet of where she was last reported to be. When all else fails, go with the statistics.

Sorry for my long opening post. I hope they find who did this to her.

:welcome6:

Guess you been following the case!
I agree on the random perp...Saturday morning, 5:00, they're gonna to be done stalking for the night, daylight's breaking. The BF? Just doesn't quite get it. The cab driver? "Method, Motive, Opportunity" check, check, check. Just wish we had more. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

From what I've read about the case, either the cab driver or a random predator probably did this. However, it seems hard for me to believe that a random predator would be up and looking for a victim at five in the morning. 2AM or 3AM? Maybe. But 5AM? Probably not.

I don't believe a group of drunk and high underage kids can plan some elaborate murder and coverup and keep it to themselves without a rat in their midst. Especially if the boyfriend were involved. There are far better ways to cover up a crime than going through all of this nonsense. It is far easier for me to believe that a cab driver puts himself on video for a few seconds at a store to cover his tracks than it is for me to believe that these kids could have or would have gone to such extremes to cover up the murder of their friend. Or, a cab driver could have gone into the store, didn't see his fare, called her, and left to pick her up elsewhere.

The cab driver's father, in an interview, said that his son left the store and went straight to his father's house to turn in shift money. Who does this at 5 in the morning? That doesn't make any sense. I know the police probably verified that he went there, but I wonder if they verified his whereabouts the rest of that day and afterwards. Where was his dad during those times?

My money is on the cab driver. It just seems practical to me. He was the last person to contact her and the last person she contacted. He was within a few hundred feet of where she was last reported to be. When all else fails, go with the statistics.

Sorry for my long opening post. I hope they find who did this to her.

I agree cab driver seems most likely, if not a random perp, which I think is possible, as this guy had to know he would be number one suspect and very stupid to have taken her then, IMO. I don't find it strange that he turned in his cash, if that was their routine. His father probably deposited it during the son's sleeping hours.

I am not looking at the BF at all, will be shocked if he turns out to be guilty. As far as using past tense, we have seen that constantly in countless cases, even from innocent parents. And to be honest, if someone close to me vanished in the middle of the night without a trace...I would not expect to see them alive again, JMO, after more than a few days had passed.

JMO

 

[Public_Hysteria]

Welcome to our group, NicholeWilliams! Good thoughts. One of my theories is that she was abducted by an RSO, or possibly a first time offender. This case makes me think of Mickey too; it would be so easy for a small girl like Adrienne to be snatched off the street on her way to meet that cab.

:welcome:

 

[GGE]

I"m far from brilliant, but you got the ADD thing spot on! :rotfl:

seriously though, I know you all don't want to read again about how I keep going back to the time where she got back, spoke to flores, wasn't crying, was calmly upset, went inside, found her bedroom door locked because duggan was in there with jennings, sat down to wait, then when duggan came out of the room with jennings she was suddenly crying and more upset than duggan had ever seen her before.

she left so upset that she crashed at 3:44am and then came back to the apartment, and then called a cab what like an hour later?

and we have no idea what she was doing in that time, we just know her clothes were found at the apartment and know that her phone had activity, calling her bf and eventually a cab.

maybe she was so upset when duggan came out of the bedroom because someone hit on her, groped her, did something and/or said something awful to her and/or threatened and/or scared her.

maybe she drove like that because of what had just happened to her, or what she was scared was about to happen to her.

maybe she went into the house without anyone seeing her on purpose because she didn't want this person to see her and do something worse to her.

maybe it didn't work. maybe he saw her, and did something worse to her.

maybe she called her bf all those times because she was scared, because someone was making her uneasy, harassing her, coming towards her again, putting his hands on her and she was fighting him off as much/long as possible.

maybe she stopped trying to call him at 4:10 or thereabouts because maybe that person ended up somehow getting his hands on her and assaulting her and accidentally killing her around that time.

maybe her clothes were in her room because that's where he took them off her, and he didn't bother putting them back on because the stairs were near the front door and he checked the stairway and the areas near the door and nobody was around so he just carried her tiny 100 pound body out and left without being noticed.

but then he'd have to have had some mysterious female use adrienne's phone to call the cab to set up her alibi, while he drove A. to apache junction.... this sort of falls apart here, IMO... (ETA: plus I"d expect a sheet or blanket or something to be missing if this was the case...)

but otherwise sounds like it has possible truths hidden in my conjecture... it's a scenario I consider a more likely one because all things being equal, the most simple scenario is usually the right one, and IMO at a party with drinking and drugs, date rape gone even more wrong sounds like one of the most likely scenarios to me, especially combined with how upset she got while sitting on the couch...

all this was JMO, not that anyone will read this far anyway because, why would you? LOL
hm just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[GGE]

BBM.. so wait.. the body was badly decomposed? to me this is different than skeletal remains. i don't remember how it was originally worded when the remains were found, but it really seemed like most of us (?) thought it was just bones left??

sorry for being so graphic. blehh.

no it couldn't have been just bones, remember, because the guy found her due to vultures circling, which they do when there's odor, which means active decomp of soft tissue IIRC, Bernina is the 'expert' here, but also he found her when he saw her legs sticking out from under the bush, and if she was just bones he'd be finding maybe a femur here and a tibia there, not a pair of legs sticking out... IMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

GGE, I agree that there seems to be some sort of element here involve her state back at her apartment before getting in that car wreck.

I personally have always sensed that Adrienne was wanting to move forward in life without her boyfriend. I don't think she was sexually or romantically attracted to him anymore. They had been friends/partners since early childhood. This leaves me thinking of how emotionally codependent these two must have been with each other. It would seem impossible, if it were me, to ascertain losing a partner that i had been with for so long.

This worries me as I believe that she was done with him that night. I think she had just gotten over being VERY Ill and was paying her own way through school. She wasn't some spoiled kid who could risk having to pay for a new pair of tires for her car or getting a DUI and risking her college career. Her cousin she was so close with had been killed at a party only months earlier...

I think she had evolved and was hoping the boufriend would, too. I don't think he could stand ever living without her after being do close with her for so long.

Yet in the news video he isn't crying, he isn't begging for her safe return in a sincere tone.

Instead, he sounds flat. He has low affect. He speaks of her in the past tense.

And I'm done.

 

[Bernina]

I agree cab driver seems most likely, if not a random perp, which I think is possible, as this guy had to know he would be number one suspect and very stupid to have taken her then, IMO. I don't find it strange that he turned in his cash, if that was their routine. His father probably deposited it during the son's sleeping hours.

I am not looking at the BF at all, will be shocked if he turns out to be guilty. As far as using past tense, we have seen that constantly in countless cases, even from innocent parents. And to be honest, if someone close to me vanished in the middle of the night without a trace...I would not expect to see them alive again, JMO, after more than a few days had passed.

JMO

Just a thought. What if it was the cabbie's idea to pick her up at AMPM? "Hey, I'm 20 minutes out, want to be at the AMPM?" That takes her away from the apt and nobody knows she's being picked up by a taxi. That was one of the weird things, why didn't she have the taxi pick her up at her apt? She doesn't want to hang at the apt so why not go ahead and walk to the AMPM when it's suggested by the cabbie? Around 5:00 am, Saturday morning, I'd walk down that stretch of Hardy, it's NOT scary, the party-ers are all gone out of the park, and there is traffic. 2:00 in the morning, that's a bit different. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

See, I see the opposite, that Adrienne may have wanted a committed relationship and he was less certain. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

Just a thought. What if it was the cabbie's idea to pick her up at AMPM? "Hey, I'm 20 minutes out, want to be at the AMPM?" That takes her away from the apt and nobody knows she's being picked up by a taxi. That was one of the weird things, why didn't she have the taxi pick her up at her apt? She doesn't want to hang at the apt so why not go ahead and walk to the AMPM when it's suggested by the cabbie? Around 5:00 am, Saturday morning, I'd walk down that stretch of Hardy, it's NOT scary, the party-ers are all gone out of the park, and there is traffic. 2:00 in the morning, that's a bit different. JMO.

But he was always going to be on the phone records, no matter where she was to meet him. He was still going to be the last person to talk to her, most likely. Not saying I am ruling him out, not at all...just that he is not at all smart if he did this crime. I can see her wanting to get away from the complex, to avoid seeing anyone she knew. I don't think she wanted to encounter anyone to have to explain about her car.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

GGE - Perhaps Adrienne was interested in a guy back at the party and when she returned, he was in the bedroom with her roommate? He got upset with Adrienne leaving with her BF and wanted to make her jealous, so he hit on her best friend???

 

[Bernina]

no it couldn't have been just bones, remember, because the guy found her due to vultures circling, which they do when there's odor, which means active decomp of soft tissue IIRC, Bernina is the 'expert' here, but also he found her when he saw her legs sticking out from under the bush, and if she was just bones he'd be finding maybe a femur here and a tibia there, not a pair of legs sticking out... IMO

Badly decomposed can be partial mummification, the vultures can "smell" decomp long before humans and the flooding would have caused bacteria growth which started that process. The whole "skeletal" vs. "badly decomposed" is being thrown out there by the media and IIR, Pooley said both terms also. I'd stick with what the home owner said, he found her. If it had just been bones, he probably would have thought young range cattle or maybe a stray dog, and kept on going. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I just can't see Adrienne being upset at being ignored if she was not into the BF or if she was more into someone else. The whole string of incidents that ended in her abduction, IMO, seems to be a result of her emotions over her boyfriend angering or hurting her feelings at the party. JMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Idk the boyfriend in that video haunts me. I'm sorry. I know there's no such thing as a normal reaction to something like this, but COME ON. He sounds positively self scripted.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22775373/...art=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9066280

Also has anyone posted this article from 9 hours ago yet? Sorry if so.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...nue-evidence-search-apache-junction-abrk.html

 

[Bernina]

But he was always going to be on the phone records, no matter where she was to meet him. He was still going to be the last person to talk to her, most likely. Not saying I am ruling him out, not at all...just that he is not at all smart if he did this crime. I can see her wanting to get away from the complex, to avoid seeing anyone she knew. I don't think she wanted to encounter anyone to have to explain about her car.

But it could explain why she went to the AMPM. Cabbie covered his tracks by saying she wasn't there, maybe he picked her up as she was walking down from Hardy? "I'll be walking down Hardy to the store".We don't even know what was said between the 2 of them over the phone. She tries to make contact with BF to say she's coming over, she's not that great at texting, so she finally gives up and txts "Im coming overt (sic)" because it's too much of a PITA to txt "I'm getting a cab and coming over".
Urgh. If she WAS upset, could she have told the cabbie on the phone"I can't get a hold of my BF and I need to get over there?" Maybe even been crying?
The phone puts him there, but his excuse is he never saw her.
Most cabbies hang around for 5 minutes to see if you'll show up. He stuck around for 45 seconds? If it was that close to the end of his shift, why didn't dispatch give the call to someone else? Or did he see her and pick here up before 5:00 possibly driving down Hardy to AMPM and she waved him down? Or did he see her after AMPM? And then she txts BF before she gets in the cab?
Too many questions......JMRambling........

 

[GGE]

I just can't see Adrienne being upset at being ignored if she was not into the BF or if she was more into someone else. The whole string of incidents that ended in her abduction, IMO, seems to be a result of her emotions over her boyfriend angering or hurting her feelings at the party. JMO

I agree. The police report says she got mad at him because he was talking too much to other people and not paying enough attention to her.

The it says that she told him to leave so he went out to his car to leave, but she followed him to say she wanted to talk about what happened but not at the apartment because ther was a party going on, so she wanted to go to his house to talk about it.

IMO the fact that she TOLD HIM TO LEAVE speaks volumes. That's anger and jealousy, that is offense.. I'd expect that if he was speaking to another female in front of her, for example. It would offend her, anger her, make her jealous, so she'd flip out and tell him to GTFO.

I can't see her asking him to leave over paying attention to other people if she wasn't interested in him anymore anyway, ya know?

IMO

ETA: plus if she really wanted him to leave because she wasn't interested in him anymore, she'd have let him go once he was in his car and ready to leave, not follow him etc... JMO

 

[mamacita]

:waiting:

hoping for a big break when i wake up in the morning!

good night ya'll!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I agree. The police report says she got mad at him because he was talking too much to other people and not paying enough attention to her.

The it says that she told him to leave so he went out to his car to leave, but she followed him to say she wanted to talk about what happened but not at the apartment because ther was a party going on, so she wanted to go to his house to talk about it.

IMO the fact that she TOLD HIM TO LEAVE speaks volumes. That's anger and jealousy, that is offense.. I'd expect that if he was speaking to another female in front of her, for example. It would offend her, anger her, make her jealous, so she'd flip out and tell him to GTFO.

I can't see her asking him to leave over paying attention to other people if she wasn't interested in him anymore anyway, ya know?

IMO

ETA: plus if she really wanted him to leave because she wasn't interested in him anymore, she'd have let him go once he was in his car and ready to leave, not follow him etc... JMO

Here's the thing in my theory.... I think when she went out to talk to him after throwing him out, they went for a ride to "talk about things in private". I think something happened during that ride. Head trauma IMHO. I think he got aggressive with her. I don't think they ever made it up to Scottsdale.

I think the BF might have even utilized a female friend to help Him cover it up by calling from Adrienne's phone and also acting like Adrienne on the phone to the cabbie.

After that the whole rest of the night was a cover up. They never went to his apartment. I don't think RF or SD ever saw her again as the *initial* reports stated before things started getting pear shaped and scripted by LE.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

:waiting:

hoping for a big break when i wake up in the morning!

good night ya'll!

Night sweetie
And baby boy!

 

[Sunshine95]

I just can't see Adrienne being upset at being ignored if she was not into the BF or if she was more into someone else. The whole string of incidents that ended in her abduction, IMO, seems to be a result of her emotions over her boyfriend angering or hurting her feelings at the party. JMO

Well, this is what LE was told. No tape recording so... maybe she was upset for another reason and he misunderstood or, or?