AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[spangled]

My blood ran cold when I saw the title of this thread had change, I feel sick.

Who ARE these people that kill someone, dump them and then just go on with their lives. You hear stories like this time and time again. I hate them.

The cause of doing something like this to any person has a ripple effect on all of their friend, families, colleagues, neighbours. It's not just one life that's been ruined.

I keep thinking about her dad and all the memories he must have of her, I simply cannot imagine the pain he and the rest of her nearest and dearest are going through.

I hope they catch this person quickly. Whoever it is is a disgustin, terrible shameless person. I hope guilt and remorse eats them up however I doubt someone capable of this has real feelings.

So angry right now.

Rest is peace Adrienne.

 

[prospektor]

ITA and although it disturbs me it took awhile to confirm it was Adrienne. Dylan was missing 6+ months and it was confirmed quicker it was him (see quote below). I wonder why it took so long? Maybe they needed dental records for certain reasons? Maybe they had to be sure her tooth brush or hair brush was AS's and not one of the roommates as they lived together. Things that make me go...hmmm though.

Maybe Dylan's remains, though scattered, were more in the shadow and not that exposed to the sun (i.e. not thoroughly dried up); also, he went missing at the beginning of winter and might have been better conserved until they found him (what was it, May?). IIRC they had to wait for the snow to melt until they could continue searching.

I think I remember Sgt. Pooley say that they did "small searches" in the first days, until they got the backup of volunteers and the FBI; maybe they knew for a few days, but had to coordinate the "big" search effort first and kept quiet until then, in order not to alert the perpetrator, who might try to remove evidence from wherever he dumped her. Or to keep locals at bay who might want to take a look around by themselves and could contaminate the scene.
Or both.
Or none of this.

 

[Dee10]

Maybe Dylan's remains, though scattered, were more in the shadow and not that exposed to the sun (i.e. not thoroughly dried up); also, he went missing at the beginning of winter and might have been better conserved until they found him (what was it, May?). IIRC they had to wait for the snow to melt until they could continue searching.

I think I remember Sgt. Pooley say that they did "small searches" in the first days, until they got the backup of volunteers and the FBI; maybe they knew for a few days, but had to coordinate the "big" search effort first and kept quiet until then, in order not to alert the perpetrator, who might try to remove evidence from wherever he dumped her. Or to keep locals at bay who might want to take a look around by themselves and could contaminate the scene.
Or both.
Or none of this.

Good point, regarding winter and snow vs. heat & sun. Dylan was found the end of June. Maybe it takes longer depending on the condition of the bones? The vultures make me think though there was more than just a skeleton though in this case.

Rough math:

AS was found Aug. 6th & confirmed Aug. 15th. = 9 days
DR somewhere in a 5 day search confirmed on the 6th day = 2 to 6 days

 

[Bernina]

ITA and although it disturbs me it took awhile to confirm it was Adrienne. Dylan was missing 6+ months and it was confirmed quicker it was him (see quote below). I wonder why it took so long? Maybe they needed dental records for certain reasons? Maybe they had to be sure her tooth brush or hair brush was AS's and not one of the roommates as they lived together. Things that make me go...hmmm though.

You know how some of us go into "think like the perp" mode? You have to go into "think like the LE" mode. And, IMO, it's almost the same, just a very fine line between criminal and LE.
LE has no responsibility to keep the public informed on every step they take, simply because it also informs the perp. No doubt DNA was taken day 1, day 2 at the latest when AJ LE contacted Tempe LE who in turn contacted Adrienne's family. Did Pooley KNOW it was Adrienne days before he released that information? PROBABLY. If the remains being found 10 days ago would have been made public, no doubt it would have compromised the investigation, the area where Adrienne was found, and quite possibly, the perp would have high tailed it out of Dodge.
Yesterday's 100+ person, multi-agency search and MSM coverage was LE's way of telling the public they are working intensely on this case. But it was ALSO meant to shake the perp to the bone. The perp has been thinking the case has gone cold, no news is good news. The perp might even be thinking it's time to go "hunting" again. LE has given the perp a false sense of security the last several weeks. The perp thinks "it's" been pretty slick, well, "Surprise, Skippy."
What the LE has done in the last 10 days is a well choreographed, covert "ballet". They have been able to balance the public's "need to know", the Salinas' hope and fear, the "silence" of the residences in the immediate area, a total media blackout, and no "in house" leaks. An amazing feat by most LE standards.
How often can we assume, that well organized LE efforts have been compromised because some "idiot" wants his/her 15 minutes of "face time" in front of a camera?
Pooley is running a tight lipped investigation, the more I see, the more I'm convinced he's going to see this through to the end.
JMO

 

[margarita25]

Dear Mods,

Would it be appropriate to please request a specific forensics thread, as we did for Dylan? I have some things I would like to post pertaining to the forensic investigation that may not be suitable for all viewers. TIA.


ps: having major tech difficulties here on this thread.

 

[Breazy]

Just made it to this thread and found this horrible news...

Oh Adrienne, I am so sorry this happened to you! :rose:

My heart breaks for her family as they process this conclusion. I'm glad however, that if this is the way it had to end, at least she was found and brought home.

May justice come swift & firm!! lease:

 

[ktgirl]

I really hope the medical examiner is able tell Adrienne's cause of death from her remains.

 

[Dee10]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...s-tempe-womans-death-abrk.html?nclick_check=1

Portions of this article:

Searchers had been concentrating in an area a couple of miles west of the Superstition Mountains and near the popular Lost Dutchman State Park.

Police are treating the case as a possible homicide, but there are no suspects identified despite an exhaustive investigation that has, until now, been hindered by a lack of physical evidence and witnesses.

“Everything is on the table,” said Sgt. Mike Pooley, and he added that no one has been ruled out as a potential suspect.

“We are just happy we were able to find her,” he said. “With the way her body was found, it is difficult to tell what happened to her.”

Police have interviewed hundreds of people, some of whom allowed searches of their personal property. Some of those interviewed also have agreed to polygraph examinations that are inadmissible in court but used by police as an investigative tool.

In addition, police searched the area near Salinas’ apartment, west of Arizona State University, and they also searched Tempe Town Lake.

More than 100 people, including volunteers, searched a wide swath of Apache Junction for evidence on Thursday, concentrating on 4 miles of a wash that includes private property. Searchers found articles of clothing and trash, but they were unsure if the items belonged to Salinas. The search was called off at about 1 p.m. due to excessive heat and the threat of rattlesnakes.

The search continued at about 5 a.m. Friday with at least 70 people. Pooley said crews hoped to cover a different part of the wash and that what they are able to cover on Friday would determine if the search continued into the weekend.

After an excessive-heat warning was issued on Friday, Pooley said the temperature would be a factor in determining how long the search lasted.

Authorities said it’s not clear where the body originated from because of recent flooding in the hilly area studded with cactus and the occasional house southeast of Lost Dutchman Boulevard and Arizona 88.

Pooley said police believe Salinas’ body was dumped or she was killed at another location along the wash and that water pushed the remains to where they were found. There was significant flooding on July 21.

Constance Halonen, an Apache Junction police spokeswoman, said the wash is popular for outdoor recreation, including horseback riding and the riding of all-terrain vehicles. She asked anyone who saw anything suspicious between June 15 and Aug. 6 to call police.

 

[Bernina]

Several nights ago I saw NG did a feature on Adrienne and maybe JVM too, and now I am thinking that somehow they had an inkling about the fact that a body had been found because otherwise why did they randomly run with her story then, and then go quiet since? I wonder if/almost think they will be covering her again tonight now that the identification is complete and confirmed, especially if that is the case.. I dunno... gut feeling....

After the media circus Arizona went through with HLN/NG/JVM with the Arias trial, I think they'd be the last ones LE would give "breaking" news to. Their ability to relate misinformation as "fact" goes beyond the pale. They lost my viewership long ago.....JMO, OMO, MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

I have not noticed NG doing anything on Adrienne lately and only know because watched for a while since Alexis Murphy was abducted. I can't imagine HLN knowing something about her possibly being found, and not saying so. They are not exactly careful about what they say, or how true it is. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I have not noticed NG doing anything on Adrienne lately and only know because watched for a while since Alexis Murphy was abducted. I can't imagine HLN knowing something about her possibly being found, and not saying so. They are not exactly careful about what they say, or how true it is. JMO

 

[northxnorthwest]

Do people think Adrienne was killed the night she vanished or held somewhere and/or brought to a nearby location in relations to where her remains were found. Ugh poor girl, I hope she died quick and didn't suffer anymore that night.

How far is it likely her remains traveled?

 

[alreetlike]

RSBM and BBM

Thanks for the pick me up this morning, reet. IDK about anyone else, but I sorely needed it. :seeya:

Oh good, I'm pleased, because it's been a LONG day and I'm flagging now. I thought of Adrienne while I was working out in the gym and it spurred me on to keep going instead of giving up.

Do people think Adrienne was killed the night she vanished or held somewhere and/or brought to a nearby location in relations to where her remains were found. Ugh poor girl, I hope she died quick and didn't suffer anymore that night.

How far is it likely her remains traveled?

I think and hope she was killed the night she disappeared. I couldn't stomach the idea of her suffering much more than she already did that night.

 

[margarita25]

Bringing this forward form another thread...I know lots of us have been exchanging graphics, etc. on this thread:

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[Bernina]

Good point, regarding winter and snow vs. heat & sun. Dylan was found the end of June. Maybe it takes longer depending on the condition of the bones? The vultures make me think though there was more than just a skeleton though in this case.

Rough math:

AS was found Aug. 6th & confirmed Aug. 15th. = 9 days
DR somewhere in a 5 day search confirmed on the 6th day = 2 to 6 days

Probably the best way to explain decomp in the desert during this time span:
June is the hottest and driest month in Arizona, humidity runs between 7 and 12%, temps in the triple digits 110-115+ degrees.
Burying someone in sand is similar to "drying flowers". Bury at least a 4' depth and most predators won't bother spending much time digging before walking away. Any odor is somewhat filtered as it reaches the surface. Moisture is evaporated as the sand heats up. The body is basically being dehydrated/mummified.
Now 30+ days, bring in the heavy flash flood rushing down that wash. Air and gases (lungs are like balloons) that were trapped in the body will cause it to become buoyant and works it's way up through the sand. It will become lodged with other debri that comes down the wash either at the side of the bank, stuck in a root system, or on top of a sand bar.
The remains will then slowly become re-hydrated, a very slow process, and bacteria will eventually cause the re-hydrated tissues to become odoriferous, attracting insects and predators.
This is just from my own experience, being a Native, and being around livestock most of my life. Whether it's been cattle dying out on the open range or a horse, goat, lamb, whatever that I had to bury, I've learned that there are specific places you want to avoid digging in at certain times of the year, and soils that need to be avoided. The soil content is also important to the depth you want to bury the animal according to the size of the animal.
JMO..........
I'm still wondering how the remains could have crossed over Lost Dutchman's Blvd, through what I now know is a 3 wire fence with pipe and t-post uprights across the wash, on the East side of the road. Unless the water level was over the top of the fence, I don't see how it didn't become lodged against it. Barring that, I would think she was buried on the west side of the road. Again, JMO.

 

[Bernina]

BBM - I have a Garmin GPS and it alerts me to cameras up ahead. So even if someone didn't know they were there, if they had a Garmin GPS on the dash of their car they would be alerted to that fact and could detour, IMO and IME

I am old school, give me a paper map!!!!:floorlaugh: I'll admit, I do use Mapqwest if I don't have a clue to where I'm going. :scared:
Just wondering.............do "public/private transportation" vehicles use the same type of "equipment"? I don't know, like "pedi-cabs" or ?
Another thing that makes you go "Hmmmmmmm......................"

 

[kodi]

Do people think Adrienne was killed the night she vanished or held somewhere and/or brought to a nearby location in relations to where her remains were found. Ugh poor girl, I hope she died quick and didn't suffer anymore that night.

How far is it likely her remains traveled?

BBM

I echo your sentiments here, north, and hope she perished quickly. I shutter to think she was held for any length of time to endure unspeakable acts. My feeling is she was most likely killed soon after her abduction and I think that statistics would lean that way, however, as we all know, there are those who are held captive for some time. That being said, I do hope her demise was swift and she wasn't one of those small percentages that was held alive until her eventual death. Just makes me so sad. JMO.

 

[GGE]

I am old school, give me a paper map!!!!:floorlaugh: I'll admit, I do use Mapqwest if I don't have a clue to where I'm going. :scared:
Just wondering.............do "public/private transportation" vehicles use the same type of "equipment"? I don't know, like "pedi-cabs" or ?
Another thing that makes you go "Hmmmmmmm......................"

Hm. Well, I know that about a month ago I happened across a photo that happened to be taken from inside a taxi and there was a Garmin on the dash, but I don't know if they use those everywhere or in every instance, obviously.

 

[Seajay]

I think she died the morning of her abduction. Many of us felt over time, when she wasn't found within the first week or two that this was probably her fate. I also hope she didn't suffer.

So pretty much, to get to the wash she was found in, she had to have been driven to the vacinity and dumped in the wash. From there, the monsoons unearthed her and moved her to where she was found.

I was in Tucson almost the whole month of June and it was hotter than hell. Between 108-111 every day.

 

[GGE]

I find myself going back to the subject of page 31 in the police report over and over (JMO), which can be found at AmandaReckonwith's photobucket, which is in her sig or you can google "cranky crankerson photobucket" and it should come right up, then just navigate into the Adrienne Salinas folder.

I know I/we can't discuss this person or sleuth them, but I am reasonably sure I can post what I posted above. If not, I'm 100% sure someone will alert a mod and it'll be taken care of for me ASAP.