AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[2Hip2BSquare]

Night cab guy! Thank you soooo much!

 

[gngr~snap]

Remember Adrienne was not "following " her alleged "boyfriend "
on her instagram account. IMO she was "over him".
Well before her death.

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[prospektor]

Remember Adrienne was not "following " her alleged "boyfriend "
on her instagram account. IMO she was "over him".
Well before her death.

Quite honestly? Just because someone isn't following someone else on Instagram wouldn't have me speculating if their relationship is over or even deteriorating. We've seen her demeanor during the party, if she does a little drama from time to time she could as well have removed him from ALL her friends lists, only to add him again an hour or day later (and forgetting Instagram). It was an on-off relationship, but it seems as if Adrienne was the one who wanted more attention.

Been totally feeling that. Someone creepy, wasted, ho**ny, aggressive, preying on her. Maybe thats why she went with bf after all in the first place.

I don't think so. It would be the perfect thing to complain about to the boyfriend, instead of the "attention deficit". Also, if this would've been such a big issue, why would she want to go back there? And not tell her boyfriend or RF about it? Especially the boyfriend would've told LE about it, to get out of the focus.
If there was someone openly aggressive towards her at the party, I'd rather suspect a girl, maybe one FA paid too much attention to. After getting back at the party alone, that female might have made some remarks along the lines of "Oh, didn't work out? Seems he likes me more, maybe I go visit him later, just let me finish my drink ..."
But of course there are endless scenarios, and all we have to go is two highly subjective observations from her roommates.

Who was that girl?!

Well, if we assume that there was a cover up, possibly even before she returned to the party, it would probably be RF. Unless there was somehow a third girl involved, it must be one of the roommates who stated they saw her after the call. SD could've simply mixed things up with the call from FA and later seeing Adrienne very upset (confusing it with a sighting before Adrienne left with FA). But RF actually acted upon the call and got on her bike, did find her later on the grass in front of the apartment and talked with her about the events. If we assume this was all made up, she even "downplayed" the upsetness of Adrienne. All to protect her love interest, FA.
Though this is just for the sake of speculation, I can't see such an affair.

Let me tell you a little more about that released video of the Cab Driver arriving at the meet spot that may help clarify why the cops cleared the driver and also why they are unlikely to put him back on their list to investigate.

Hi, good to see you again. Did they show you the video or do you just assume that - if this is what happened - there must be video of it?
But even then, LE would need to take another look. They now have more information, and it could turn something upside down. Just as an example, if a suspect said they only heard about the disappearance after they returned from hiking in Lost Dutchman State Park (and GPS/witnesses/phone pings corroborated this), it was formerly just an apparently unrelated information, maybe even an alibi, but now it would be a BOMBSHELL on Nancy Grace.
As for the cigarette break, it depends how long it took. If, for the sake of speculation, we assume it was Adrienne on the surveillance video of O'Reilly's at 5:13 (knowing that her father doesn't think so), I'd see a scenario like this: Adrienne calls a cab, but - being young, a woman, upset, maybe a tiny bit intoxicated - she is late. She tells the driver she'll be there "in a minute", which doesn't necessarily mean a minute, but maybe "I'm on my way, don't go anywhere". Her phone battery dies.
The cab driver waits. He smokes a bit, but nobody shows up after a few minutes, his calls go unanswered. He decides to leave.
Adrienne is close to the AMPM and sees the cab pulling out of the parking lot and getting onto the street. She tries to run for it to stop it, but the driver doesn't seem to see her. If not already there, she walks a few yards west on University, maybe looking for another cab that might pass by or just unsure about what to do now, but has no other option than to go home. She walks across the parking lot at O'Reilly as a shortcut to Hardy. Someone has spotted her, though, turns his car and follows her - possibly directly through the parking lot (though two minutes is a long time for that), or maybe on Hardy, knowing she'd show up there.
Not necessarily the cab driver, could be the Circle K delivery guy, her boyfriend that came looking for her, a party guest driving by on his way home or a predator roaming the streets (as I don't really think the latter have "working hours").
There's too little information really to make an educated guess.

Regretfully, on that morning while clearing the voice-mails, I did hear AS's voice and remember her saying she needed a cab because she blew out her tires in an accident.

Hm, I'd say if anything this might be a hint it wasn't her who called the cab. She had an accident and was obviously very concerned about it, fleeing the scene, changing her clothes - but she then mentions it while calling a cab. I would've expected her to keep quiet about it. But then again, people do all kinds of crazy stuff, so who knows.

 

[Sunshine95]

Remember Adrienne was not "following " her alleged "boyfriend "
on her instagram account. IMO she was "over him".
Well before her death.

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IIRC her facebook page said she was single...

New idea to consider, a hypothetical and based on my opinion
What IF Adrienne's cousin was killed by a gang, and she knew which one, or maybe who specifically, or found out that night.
What IF her bf's roommate is involved with such gang or members of such,
What IF she saw someone associated or was told or figured out something about it when bf was outside his house getting fresh air, which is why she freaked out and left to go back home? Felt scared, threatened, angry, etc
What IF the guy at bf house followed her back to party, or maybe he wasn't at bf house, but when she got back to party he/ they were there? Maybe even in her bedroom hooking up with roommate?
What IF while she waited to get into her room, she was confronted, or a comment was made, threat, I can imagine something like a hint or insinuation, which is why she got that much more upset.
Maybe, she put 2 and 2 together or feared for her life, went up to pack a bag, close a door, and called bf that many times to come rescue her? Maybe that's the only reason for calling someone you earlier wanted to get away from that many times. It was bigger than earlier argument.
Maybe she called cab while door shut in her room hoping to sneak out and down the street without him/ them seeing her to escape from threat, and maybe he/ they were watching too closely and followed her, grabbed her, and permanently made sure she wouldn't talk.
What IF no one will talk because it has been proven that being a rat on them will get you killed?
Wish I knew more about cousin's murder.... I could see someone saying, oh you are F's cousin, and someone else starts laughing or bragging about what they did to him... then they would have to get her on their side or end the threat of being told on.
ALL MY OPINION but I'd love to hear your thoughts...
Off to work! Maybe it will all be uncovered by the time I return- here's to hoping!

 

[cluciano63]

I thought LE had said her cousin was killed by a random or stray bullet, i.e not a target? Is this incorrect?

 

[WideOpen]

Unfortunately, to a cab driver at the end of a long Saturday night, a late night call from a girl wanting to go from Tempe to Scottsdale would not be memorable...except the fact that he drove all that way only to get no fare. I can tell you that what Tom was most likely focusing on is that this would be a nice way to end the night--a $35 to $40 ride, that is. He did not remember anything about the voice or the girl...nothing.
Regretfully, on that morning while clearing the voice-mails, I did hear AS's voice and remember her saying she needed a cab because she blew out her tires in an accident. She did seemed distressed, not drunk or scared, just upset. I erased the voice-mail, as I do many each morning without a thought until the detective called me on Monday or Tuesday to request phone records and driver information. I called T-Mobile to see if I could retrieve the voice-mail with negative results.

I bolded a few things above I just wanted to comment on.
As some of you know I also own a small cab/limo company in a college/tourist area. We are owned and operated by women and when I am dispatching or the regular dispatcher being in tune with the caller is essential IMO. (maybe its because we are women and we listen differently).

For myself, every call is memorable. These are your customers and you do not forget them or their voices easily.
You are assessing the urgency, safety, probability of this being a no show (waste of your time and money), their drunken state (drunks are random and may puke in our car, be a no show, change their mind, pass out, get in the first thing that shows up)
You are assessing other important things like the time frame, other calls you may have previously booked, where the other drivers are located, whether you need to make a stop for gas, road conditions, and your own safety driving into certain area's or situations.
I have a really bad memory but can tell you that when this is your job the client and events of the night are memorable. I could go on and on with stories and experiences I have had and reasons why its not hard to forget these people IMO. The customers ARE your business

During a typical weekend night (8 hrs) shift each driver serves about 10-15 different customers. We keep logs of pickup time, pickup location, number of customers, drop off time, drop off location, fare and tip. We work in about a 20 square mile radius for the most part. Months later I can remember exactly where a person lives or where they were picked up or dropped off but I may not remember their name or face even.
I am sure every driver is different, and it's like a waitress or bartender who you havent seen in a year recalling you drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. That always amazes me.

Another thing I note is Cab Guy says Adrienne did not sound drunk. I think in the highlighted above he is describing a believable and understandable tone in her voice. I agree it is questionable whether Adrienne would have told the cab company on voicemail that she blew out her tires, but she does express her urgency-which would make me perk up and try and help the girl. You would put some priority here. When you hear someone in distress, you do try to be prompt and would even engage in more than normal phone transactions. (these calls can be a real pain & expense in the arse though)

I hear from women all the time about their creepy cab drivers, scary experiences and being propositioned. Just Sunday I ran into someone who told me their step-daughter who is 17 got a ride from work and the cab driver told her if she showed him her she would never have to pay a dime for a ride. Happens a lot.

Sorry so long, was just expressing my opinion.
BTW, I do feel that Cab Guys information is truthful and to the best of his knowledge and intentions. Thanks Cab Guy!

jmo

 

[WideOpen]

Let's talk a little about the confiscated items from the search of the Cab Driver's home and car that also helped the cops clear him. They took several phones, including the Note 1 he used to dispatch the night AS disappeared and they took two Garmen GPS devises from the two cabs Tom drives. All of these electronic devises can be broken down at the police lab to reconstruct their time and direction of travel. Additionally, each one has numerical identifiers which can help authorities track each devise and pinpoint its position at the time of ping within just a few feet. They did this breakdown and tracking with the cell phones and GPS's and all the pinging matched with To's story.

Would like to thank you for the detailed info.
Adding a note; Our drivers can take their vehicles home during their shift or after work but in my neighborhood our community laws state that no commercial vehicle may be parked overnight, so I must drop my vehicle at a different location and get into my regular car and drive away at the end of the night. So, my question would be if Tom takes his cab home at night or parks it somewhere else when his shift is up?

For all; I believe LE cleared the cab driver and IMO thats good enough for me. Websleuther's (me) just need to know so we can cross it off our hinky list and focus elsewhere.
jmo

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

"Hm, I'd say if anything this might be a hint it wasn't her who called the cab. She had an accident and was obviously very concerned about it, fleeing the scene, changing her clothes - but she then mentions it while calling a cab. I would've expected her to keep quiet about it. But then again, people do all kinds of crazy stuff, so who knows.".

I agree. It's rather effusive for her to share such info w someone IMO considering she seems to try and not make a deal of the wreck that night to her friends after the fact.

I think Gngr actually has a great point when saying A wasn't following FA's Instagram anymore. This was a social networking tool she used very often. I don't think we should look at them simply as romantic partners, but also childhood friends. Who doesnt follow a childhood friend/boyfriend? If I didn't follow my fiancée he would think "WTH are you trying to keep our relationship on the DL?"



Prospektor, the other woman doesn't have to be someone Adrienne knows or lives with. I think SD and RF began helping LE spread misinformation to the suspect via the media within a months time of the crime.

I also think RF's statement in the report that only came up a month after the crime and initial reports as being scripted/led by LE (it directly contradicted earlier reports that no one saw Adrienne after she and Fran went for a drive together toward Scottsdale!)

As far as reports being manipulated/wrong to confuse the perp and hopefully catch him unknowingly admitting to the crime, did you ever consider that maybe the girl in the Oreilly's video WAS NOT Adrienne but a female accomplice? And that maybe that black sedan going by the same camera the opposite way only 2 minutes later could have indeed been the suspect? Maybe they released that video to tell the perp/s something. To clue him/her into the fact that THEY ARE AWARE...To turn a light on while having them under surveillance and watch where the cockroaches scramble.

Thanks

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

IIRC her facebook page said she was single...

New idea to consider, a hypothetical and based on my opinion
What IF Adrienne's cousin was killed by a gang, and she knew which one, or maybe who specifically, or found out that night.
What IF her bf's roommate is involved with such gang or members of such,
What IF she saw someone associated or was told or figured out something about it when bf was outside his house getting fresh air, which is why she freaked out and left to go back home? Felt scared, threatened, angry, etc
What IF the guy at bf house followed her back to party, or maybe he wasn't at bf house, but when she got back to party he/ they were there? Maybe even in her bedroom hooking up with roommate?
What IF while she waited to get into her room, she was confronted, or a comment was made, threat, I can imagine something like a hint or insinuation, which is why she got that much more upset.
Maybe, she put 2 and 2 together or feared for her life, went up to pack a bag, close a door, and called bf that many times to come rescue her? Maybe that's the only reason for calling someone you earlier wanted to get away from that many times. It was bigger than earlier argument.
Maybe she called cab while door shut in her room hoping to sneak out and down the street without him/ them seeing her to escape from threat, and maybe he/ they were watching too closely and followed her, grabbed her, and permanently made sure she wouldn't talk.
What IF no one will talk because it has been proven that being a rat on them will get you killed?
Wish I knew more about cousin's murder.... I could see someone saying, oh you are F's cousin, and someone else starts laughing or bragging about what they did to him... then they would have to get her on their side or end the threat of being told on.
ALL MY OPINION but I'd love to hear your thoughts...
Off to work! Maybe it will all be uncovered by the time I return- here's to hoping!

This has also been a worry of mine that we talked about via PM :worried:

Thank you for highlighting this scenario again. I couldn't get it much attention earlier in thread.

Here's Fabian's thread.

AZ AZ - Fabian Cano - fatally shot at house party, Phoenix, January 8, 2012. Unres - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I bolded a few things above I just wanted to comment on.
As some of you know I also own a small cab/limo company in a college/tourist area. We are owned and operated by women and when I am dispatching or the regular dispatcher being in tune with the caller is essential IMO. (maybe its because we are women and we listen differently).

For myself, every call is memorable. These are your customers and you do not forget them or their voices easily.
You are assessing the urgency, safety, probability of this being a no show (waste of your time and money), their drunken state (drunks are random and may puke in our car, be a no show, change their mind, pass out, get in the first thing that shows up)
You are assessing other important things like the time frame, other calls you may have previously booked, where the other drivers are located, whether you need to make a stop for gas, road conditions, and your own safety driving into certain area's or situations.
I have a really bad memory but can tell you that when this is your job the client and events of the night are memorable. I could go on and on with stories and experiences I have had and reasons why its not hard to forget these people IMO. The customers ARE your business

During a typical weekend night (8 hrs) shift each driver serves about 10-15 different customers. We keep logs of pickup time, pickup location, number of customers, drop off time, drop off location, fare and tip. We work in about a 20 square mile radius for the most part. Months later I can remember exactly where a person lives or where they were picked up or dropped off but I may not remember their name or face even.
I am sure every driver is different, and it's like a waitress or bartender who you havent seen in a year recalling you drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. That always amazes me.

Another thing I note is Cab Guy says Adrienne did not sound drunk. I think in the highlighted above he is describing a believable and understandable tone in her voice. I agree it is questionable whether Adrienne would have told the cab company on voicemail that she blew out her tires, but she does express her urgency-which would make me perk up and try and help the girl. You would put some priority here. When you hear someone in distress, you do try to be prompt and would even engage in more than normal phone transactions. (these calls can be a real pain & expense in the arse though)

I hear from women all the time about their creepy cab drivers, scary experiences and being propositioned. Just Sunday I ran into someone who told me their step-daughter who is 17 got a ride from work and the cab driver told her if she showed him her she would never have to pay a dime for a ride. Happens a lot.

Sorry so long, was just expressing my opinion.
BTW, I do feel that Cab Guys information is truthful and to the best of his knowledge and intentions. Thanks Cab Guy!

jmo

The VM was heard after the fact I believe.

No one returned the VM for some time so she called again and was able to reach dispatch and leave a message with dispatch for her pick up and drop off locations etc. the voicemail from her wasn't heard until after the fact by cab guy when he was clearing VM.

What interests me was WHY was she so intent on contacting this particular cab company? Why not just call another cab company to pick you up assuming the other is busy and would give you a longer waiting time for it to arrive? Didn't she want to get up there quickly???? So why call a cab company that will take forever to get her as it was based in a different city?

The company was based in Scottsdale. Who lives in Scottsdale that would use Adrienne's phone to set up a false alibi with a cab company?

If I looked up cab companies for my local area on my phone in Tempe, It would pull up the closest local company - NOT some random company out in Scottsdale. It's as if *someone* had looked up the company on a separate phone that listed businesses around the suspects usual home-base/residence in Scottsdale.
IMO.


Scottsdale!!!!!!!!!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I thought LE had said her cousin was killed by a random or stray bullet, i.e not a target? Is this incorrect?

Initial reports before investigation said that they thought it came from inside of the house in the kitchen area, but after the investigation began this detail fell by the wayside in the name of the investigation and the story was changed to "random drive by". It happened right after a drug transaction.

I can tell you I had a friend on Hardy who was selling pot. He opened his front door and his friend since kindergarten shot him in the face. My friend had hid his cash well so the suspect was not able to even get a penny, which was the whole reason he tried to kill my friend (and his!) in the first place.

That person was never caught bc my friend lived and was too scared to press charges.

These things happen.

 

[prospektor]

I think Gngr actually has a great point when saying A wasn't following FA's Instagram anymore. This was a social networking tool she used very often. I don't think we should look at them simply as romantic partners, but also childhood friends. Who doesnt follow a childhood friend/boyfriend? If I didn't follow my fiancée he would think "WTH are you trying to keep our relationship on the DL?"

Frustration. Punishment. If they were just friends, yeah, I wouldn't see a reason. But being romantically involved and getting into fights and splitting up now and then is more complex, and I would see it in line with her "Get out! No, wait, I'm coming with you. No, eff this, I'm outta here! No, I don't get in your car! Okay, fine. No, wait, I'm jumping out now, bye!" Then returning to her apartment and packing a bag to go right back again. But then again, I guess we all read such stuff differently. Maybe she was upset because he didn't accept her friend request at Instagram.

Prospektor, the other woman doesn't have to be someone Adrienne knows or lives with. I think SD and RF began helping LE spread misinformation to the suspect via the media within a months time of the crime.

I also think RF's statement in the report that only came up a month after the crime and initial reports as being scripted/led by LE (it directly contradicted earlier reports that no one saw Adrienne after she and Fran went for a drive together toward Scottsdale!)

It would indeed be an elaborate plan, as it would include manipulating the initial report that we got - it is dated 6/16 and mentions RF's and SD's account. So it may have been publicly withheld for some time, and maybe to put pressure on FA, but I don't really think they made it up - at least not in coordination with LE.

As far as reports being manipulated/wrong to confuse the perp and hopefully catch him unknowingly admitting to the crime, did you ever consider that maybe the girl in the Oreilly's video WAS NOT Adrienne but a female accomplice? And that maybe that black sedan going by the same camera the opposite way only 2 minutes later could have indeed been the suspect? Maybe they released that video to tell the perp/s something. To clue him/her into the fact that THEY ARE AWARE...To turn a light on while having them under surveillance and watch where the cockroaches scramble.

The main problem I have with that surveillance video is the two minute delay between the woman and the car. 137 seconds isn't that close.
Though nothing can be ruled out. And if you're right and it was a female accomplice, doing the calls to the cab, she'd have to be in the area to make Adrienne's phone ping the right towers.
I sure hope LE is playing games and they have some idea what was going on that night. Else I would have to assume they just used the surveillance as another bait/bite for the media to keep the case in the spotlight and of course get additional accounts from the people in the video, as they might have observed something while in the area around that time.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Frustration. Punishment. If they were just friends, yeah, I wouldn't see a reason. But being romantically involved and getting into fights and splitting up now and then is more complex, and I would see it in line with her "Get out! No, wait, I'm coming with you. No, eff this, I'm outta here! No, I don't get in your car! Okay, fine. No, wait, I'm jumping out now, bye!" Then returning to her apartment and packing a bag to go right back again. But then again, I guess we all read such stuff differently.



It would indeed be an elaborate plan, as it would include manipulating the initial report that we got - it is dated 6/16 and mentions RF's and SD's account. So it may have been publicly withheld for some time, and maybe to put pressure on FA, but I don't really think they made it up - at least not in coordination with LE.



The main problem I have with that surveillance video is the two minute delay between the woman and the car. 137 seconds isn't that close.
Though nothing can be ruled out. And if you're right and it was a female accomplice, doing the calls to the cab, she'd have to be in the area to make Adrienne's phone ping the right towers.
I sure hope LE is playing games and they have some idea what was going on that night. Else I would have to assume they just used the surveillance as another bait/bite for the media to keep the case in the spotlight and of course get additional accounts from the people in the video, as they might have observed something while in the area around that time.

Thanks for the reply and considerations!

I think the black sedan was across the street at the circle K waiting, not parked and waiting at Oreilly's.

I think this is the circle K connection. I believe after the female is caught on video it would take her about 1 minute to cross the street to circle K and get in the car with the lead suspect.

I think then the car left the circle K lot and cut through Oreillys to hit up north on Hardy, which is when it was caught on camera at Oreillys.

 

[GGE]

<snip>
Regretfully, on that morning while clearing the voice-mails, I did hear AS's voice and remember her saying she needed a cab because she blew out her tires in an accident. She did seemed distressed, not drunk or scared, just upset.

Thanks cab guy for this info!

First, what this suggests to me, is that this should hopefully lay to rest the speculation that somebody else crashed her car. She said in the VM that *she* just blew out her tires in an accident. At least that's good enough for me, JMO.

Second, when I read this, it suggests *IMO* that she made this phone call very shortly after her accident, or at least that the accident was the most recent event to occur prior to her making the phone call. I say that because, IMO, if I had an accident and blew out my tires and then FOR EXAMPLE (I realize this didn't happen in this case, just using it to illustrate my point) went home and changed my clothes and was harassed by someone who I felt was threatening me and got into an argument about it an left feeling scared and angry, and THEN called a cab, then ME PERSONALLY - I would probably say I needed a cab because there was some scary creep following me or something like that... like... the most eventful big thing to happen to me would be more likely to get mentioned if anything at all... all JMO of course...

And I mean really how many people tell the cab company WHY they need a cab in the first place? It seems to me, IMO, that would be something someone is likely to mention if it in some way plays into their *IMMEDIATE* need for the cab, rather than just incidentally hey like 45 minutes ago I got into a wreck before going home and stuff...

I don't know, I"m sure I"m over-thinking as usual!

ETA: Her accident was supposed to have been at 3:44am, she left the scene, drove for a bit, and parked it...
we also know she called her BF a bunch of times between 4:11 and 4:17, then she called the cab for the first time at, IIRC, 4:23am. So far that all makes good sense to me, timeline-wise, I guess....

just thinking out loud, sorry ... not sure I"ve made any points at all...

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe her BF had used this cab company before, since he lives in Scottsdale. Maybe she had the number in her phone.

 

[balaney]

How many minutes to walk from where the car was to the CK?

 

[NicholeWilliams]

Thanks to everyone who provided such warm welcomes!

Honestly, the more and more I think about it - I'm convinced she ran into a predator that night. Whether registered or not. I understand it was 5 AM, and it seems unlikely that someone would still be out "stalking" for their "prey" - but stranger things have happened. To me, Adrianne's movements & decisions that night were too unpredictable & erratic to afford someone she knew a moment of opportunity to take advantage of her.

If the boyfriend is to be the main suspect, you would think he would have tried harder to keep her in his vehicle the first time. Remember she jumped out of his vehicle - and he, after the fact, returned her phone to her.

Also, it was her idea, after arriving back home, to go back to her boyfriend's house. She packed an overnight bag, she got in her car & drove away.

The cab driver would be the next "person of interest" - and it seems to me that LE has done a thorough job of trying to clear him. I try to remind myself - she called the cab company.

- I don't find the fact that she mentioned her tires to the cab company the least bit unusual. This may be, because:

- I don't think she was trying to "cover-up" her car accident. I think it happened so close to her home, that she was simply attempting to drive the vehicle back to her apartment on damaged tires.

- I think she was changing her clothes simply to change her clothes. Maybe she wanted to wear something more comfortable. After all, she had been drinking that night, got into an argument that night, had been in a single-vehicle at-fault car accident that night, and it was now 5 AM. Who wouldn't want to stop home, if given the opportunity, to freshen-up/change?

What if someone just happened to be driving by, and saw a pretty young girl, by herself at 5 AM - and offered her a free ride? She was headed towards a cab, sure - but a cab she would have to pay for. Keep in mind she just flattened two tires on her car...

Hell, if I were any bit younger & less wise - I might've considered the offer also.

Once again, all of this is my opinion - I don't have any credentials and/or education that gives me any greater advantage towards drawing conclusions. However, I have taken the route Adrianne was supposed to of taken that night a few times now, and this is the "feeling" I get.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Balaney - it is a 5 minute walk. Maybe shorter if one cuts through The park, crosses hardy, and cuts through the Oreilly's...

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Sorry double post.

 

[kodi]

With each passing day, personally, I do not feel this is an elaborate cover-up by individuals that were close to her. Frankly, I feel it would be far too difficult for them to keep it together (and their stories straight) for any length of time.

I feel the responsible party is an individual she knew, an acquaintance, or a random perp(s). I feel it was a crime of opportunity more so than not.

All JMO.

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There were 4 cameras at that am/pm, and LE released just a few seconds of video from just one of those cameras. What they saw on those other cameras helped them clear the Cab Driver, and it was stuff that nobody else, including you saw.

<snipped>

RSBM and BBM

It's good to see you back, cab guy, and thanks for your posts.

I feel the sentence bolded is huge. We've discussed on this thread and many others the reasoning behind why LE releases certain info and witholds other info. I'm much more interested in what was withheld and why (not in relation to the cabbie). I remember discussion upthread regarding the police report and how telling it was merely because of whom/what wasn't mentioned in it. Just food for thought and JMO.

I just have to say thank you for your transparency on this thread cab guy. As the only verified insider here, you are a complete asset to our understanding of this case. So glad you are here.

Ditto! *smiles*

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Another thing I note is Cab Guy says Adrienne did not sound drunk. I think in the highlighted above he is describing a believable and understandable tone in her voice. I agree it is questionable whether Adrienne would have told the cab company on voicemail that she blew out her tires, but she does express her urgency-which would make me perk up and try and help the girl. You would put some priority here. When you hear someone in distress, you do try to be prompt and would even engage in more than normal phone transactions. (these calls can be a real pain & expense in the arse though)

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Sorry so long, was just expressing my opinion.
BTW, I do feel that Cab Guys information is truthful and to the best of his knowledge and intentions. Thanks Cab Guy!

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I agree, Wide, that he stated very well how he perceived her by the tone of her voice. The obvious key points from his post that I took: she didn't sound intoxicated, though upset and distressed from her accident (but not freaking out) he didn't get a feeling she was scared. All of these things sounds normal to me after the night she had according to reports; I'm sure she was exhausted both mentally and physically at this point in her evening, actually morning, when she called for the cab.

I also don't feel it too odd that she would mention when calling for a cab that she had had an accident and blown her tires, FWIW.

All JMO.

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What interests me was WHY was she so intent on contacting this particular cab company? Why not just call another cab company to pick you up assuming the other is busy and would give you a longer waiting time for it to arrive? Didn't she want to get up there quickly???? So why call a cab company that will take forever to get her as it was based in a different city?

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Very interesting , 2Hip, I hadn't thought of this.