AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[Bernina]

I just hope that the Scottsdale LE knows more than we do. I fear this case is going cold.:tantrum:

I'm right there with you, Luvrosco!

 

[MissD]

We did get about 4 inches last night. You know, one drop every four inches? lol

 

[MissD]

I just hope that the Scottsdale LE knows more than we do. I fear this case is going cold.:tantrum:

I'm right there with you, Luvrosco!

No way this case is going cold. I only live 5 minutes away from the SPD.

:fence:

 

[MissD]

I haven't even been drinking!

Yet!

:facepalm:

 

[Luvrosco]

No way this case is going cold. I only live 5 minutes away from the SPD.

:fence:

I have no doubt that you'll continue to press LE. I just wish there was one statement coming from someone. Her family, BF, coworkers,neighbors,but nothing:gaah:

 

[MissD]

I sure hate to think what anyone just starting to look at this thread might think, after our little fiasco of the day.

:gaah:

 

[Bernina]

I sure hate to think what anyone just starting to look at this thread might think, after our little fiasco of the day.

:gaah:

It just shows to what ends our sleuthing abilities will go to! Right, wrong, or insane, leave no stone unturned.

 

[Lilac7]

I have to say it's so nice to come home and see all of your comments and theories!

It's great to have you all to chat with since LE has not given us much in the last month.

I hate to think this case will go unsolved.

Miss D, I found your theory of possibly more than one perp very interesting. I never thought of that!

 

[Ibiz]

Thanks for input. Glad someone reading who has more cell phone knowledge than I have.

I just did a test with my iphone and my wife's iphone to clarify. After I powered down her phone, I sent her a text, and on my phone there were no notifications (there was no red 'not delivered' like I get when I am out of cell phone range). My phone did not say 'delivered' in grey letters however, until I turned her phone back on. So the real question to the father is, did his message to Allison say 'not delivered' in red, or did his text to her simply lack the grey lettered 'delivered' confirmation message?

IMO:

If Allison's father's imessage to her said 'not delivered', I would guess Allison's phone was broken at that point.

If his imessage was missing the 'delivered' confirmation in grey letters, then her phone was probably turned off.

Either way, it seems likely that her father expected his text to go through, and it did not, which is reasonable grounds for foul play, considering we have so little information to go on, and she clearly communicated with her family often, and possibly every day.

Now, regarding tracking a phone that has been turned off after the fact, ARMCHAIR DETECTIVE, do you know anything about that sort of thing? Clearly if the phone was broken it could not be tracked, but if just powered down, I imagine it COULD be possible.

Did you try removing the SIM card? There should be a small door on the side of the phone with a hole to insert a paper clip

That should do the trick.

 

[Cumulus]

Did you try removing the SIM card? There should be a small door on the side of the phone with a hole to insert a paper clip

That should do the trick.

Did not try that. Just wondering what it takes to get the red 'not delivered' message.

So I assume since Allison's father probably saw the red 'not delivered' message after trying to text Allison, her phone was broken by around 10pm AZ time, unless I guess the sim card was removed.

Just exploring the possibility that Allison's phone was not broken when the killer removed it from the house, so LE could conceivably trace it. After googling, I BELIEVE it is possible to GPS an iphone that has been turned off, although I would guess GPSing a turned off iphone days later, could be impossible. Hopefully LE did whatever they could do to trace it right away, since it could give away the killer's direction, if it was possible.

I really hope the deafening silence from LE is for a good reason. I can't think what good could come from keeping most of the information private if they really do not have any strong suspects. It MUST be some kind of attempt to draw out the killer, with some kind of evidence.

 

[Luvrosco]

Cumulus, that's what I'm thinking,too.

 

[Cumulus]

Cumulus, that's what I'm thinking,too.

It seems due to the lack on information, all we can do is continue to speculate. I wonder if the DNA from under the fingernails is a ruse, and they have an idea of who did it, but need something to tie this person to the murder due to no DNA. Otherwise, the other option is they have the DNA from the killer, and no suspects. These seem to be the two options, since a DNA match is pretty conclusive.

There must be some strategy going on, and somehow the Tiffany bracelet ties into it. I guess it could be as simple as waiting a month for the killer to give someone or show someone the bracelet, and then by making it public info getting the someone who has seen the bracelet to call LE. But I am hoping it is more in depth than that, and this waiting game will draw out the killer. How, I do not know.

Another thought, since LE think the killer left the house around 1:05 am, and I get the impression he left on foot, I hope they checked the Pima School security cams at around 1:15. I would think that would have been one of the first things they did, check any cam they know about within a square mile around that time period.

If the culprit walked home in the vicinity, he/she must have shown up clearly on somebody's cam. Too bad LE can't sync up all known cameras into a huge multicam, and look for a pedestrian or any cars driving in the vicinity after 1am. I realize it was dark, and maybe LE needs a warrant to check all cams, but it sure would simplify their hunt, and running license plates and getting DNA samples from anyone driving by around that time could in theory lead to catching the killer. I imagine it is pretty complicated dealing with all the security companies, but I would guess people would accept the loss in privacy for catching a killer on the loose.

 

[OldSteve]

Thanks for the welcome. I will definitely look into the invitation once I have a little more time. I've got plans and am about to walk out the door.

It's so disturbing to me to think that whoever did this is still out there! It's also made me much more aware of my surroundings and who could be watching or around my home.

I really go back and forth on whether it was someone very close to her or someone she has had contact with in the past or home maintenance, etc.

You just think that anyone close to her (bf or other) would have already had their DNA taken and ruled out.

:seeya: First a :welcome: to WS and this thread! What you posted sums up my feelings - guess we are stuck at this point until LE tells more....

 

[OldSteve]

It seems due to the lack on information, all we can do is continue to speculate. I wonder if the DNA from under the fingernails is a ruse, and they have an idea of who did it, but need something to tie this person to the murder due to no DNA. Otherwise, the other option is they have the DNA from the killer, and no suspects. These seem to be the two options, since a DNA match is pretty conclusive.

There must be some strategy going on, and somehow the Tiffany bracelet ties into it. I guess it could be as simple as waiting a month for the killer to give someone or show someone the bracelet, and then by making it public info getting the someone who has seen the bracelet to call LE. But I am hoping it is more in depth than that, and this waiting game will draw out the killer. How, I do not know.

Another thought, since LE think the killer left the house around 1:05 am, and I get the impression he left on foot, I hope they checked the Pima School security cams at around 1:15. I would think that would have been one of the first things they did, check any cam they know about within a square mile around that time period.

If the culprit walked home in the vicinity, he/she must have shown up clearly on somebody's cam. Too bad LE can't sync up all known cameras into a huge multicam, and look for a pedestrian or any cars driving in the vicinity after 1am. I realize it was dark, and maybe LE needs a warrant to check all cams, but it sure would simplify their hunt, and running license plates and getting DNA samples from anyone driving by around that time could in theory lead to catching the killer. I imagine it is pretty complicated dealing with all the security companies, but I would guess people would accept the loss in privacy for catching a killer on the loose.

I did not see that LE got DNA from under her fingernails - if you have a link please post it....

 

[colette]

I think the DNA from under Allison's nails is an assumption as LE said she fought back and that they had DNA.

 

[Ibiz]

Also, they said the murderer would have had scratch marks on his arms and so on.

Not trying to change the subject, but I had a thought this morning. The white substance around AF's body could possibly be a Bleach Powder, or Chlorine Powder, maybe used for swimming pools.

I also read that some people use a teaspoon of bleach in water to keep cut flowers alive longer.

I'm also thinking that the killer would have taken AL's telephone because it could hold possible evidence about him. Think about this: (I) we, never write anything down anymore. Everything is on our phone.

That means any information she would have about contractors, swimming pools cleaners etc. Or information about anything else would be on her phone.

 

[Luvrosco]

Ooo

Also, they said the murderer would have had scratch marks on his arms and so on.

Not trying to change the subject, but I had a thought this morning. The white substance around AF's body could possibly be a Bleach Powder, or Chlorine Powder, maybe used for swimming pools.

I also read that some people use a teaspoon of bleach in water to keep cut flowers alive longer.

I'm also thinking that the killer would have taken AL's telephone because it could hold possible evidence about him. Think about this: (I) we, never write anything down anymore. Everything is on our phone.

That means any information she would have about contractors, swimming pools cleaners etc. Or information about anything else would be on our phones.

I thought the same thing about the phone. Which is why,I believe there's something on her phone to incriminate her killer.

 

[OldSteve]

I think the DNA from under Allison's nails is an assumption as LE said she fought back and that they had DNA.

Agree - but without LE saying so, want to be careful about what is mentioned as fact...

 

[nancydrew71]

I'm having a very hard time getting on here! Could not get on yesterday and part of today. Lots of ads, too many scripts, I think.

 

[nancydrew71]

Ooo

I thought the same thing about the phone. Which is why,I believe there's something on her phone to incriminate her killer.

That's what I said earlier. Maybe that person called her on her phone before coming.