AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[bessie]

I posted a link way back for processing DNA. It takes 60 hours, start to finish. With the Adrienne Salinas case, Az DPS was able to identify her body within 3 days with her "known" DNA and that of her body. (Tempe PD handed it off to them). Then there's whatever backlog the lab has.....and a previous post stated SPD passed it on to another lab.
I think SPD HAD a DNA profile weeks before they made it public, they just didn't have a match with anyone they got samples from, or anything from known data bases.
If the BF was cooperating, as SPD stated, he should have been eliminated already. They also had a POI from AF's "past", and you'd think they'd have either a surreptitious sample or asked him point blank to volunteer a swab.
Arizona collects DNA from all felony "arrests". You don't have to be convicted, just arrested.
If the perp is a criminal, he's good, he's a "ghost". He's never been added to any data base for an Arizona felony arrest, or any other State for an arrest/felony. Maybe a "cold case" but you'd think if one was entered in to the system, it would have flagged.
Maybe the issue of scratches on the hands came about because the perp may have left part of a fingernail that was excluded from AF? So the assumption is he wasn't wearing gloves or one was pulled off during the struggle?

I didn't see the link you posted earlier, but it might have been this one.

http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtml

It's true that the actual processing of the sample can be completed within 2-3 days, and when a comparison is made to a known subject -- as in the case of AS and other deceased victims where a profile of the missing person is already available -- a match can be made rather quickly. Finding a match to an unknown subject normally takes much longer.

MissD pointed out an article in which LE states they do have the DNA profile, so I'll take it for granted that is true. I wouldn't make any assumptions based on failure to make an arrest, or to clear anyone, though. There are a couple of possibilities, and imo, either is likely to be true at this point.

Either the profile matches to a known suspect with DNA on file, but LE is holding off on an arrest while awaiting results from other evidence testing ("putting together a case").

Or, there is no known match for the DNA -- suspect is known, but has not submitted a sample; or, suspect is not on the radar, and thus, has not been questioned -- and LE is still seeking out the subject through various databases, while simultaneously utilizing other investigative procedures.

JMO

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Scottsdale police released a statement that said in part:

"Today's homicide investigations depend heavily on forensic evidence and science. These investigations take time as scientific evaluation is applied to the collected evidence. This is very apparent in this investigation.

"Our detectives and crime scene specialists worked tirelessly for three days methodically and systematically collecting forensic evidence from inside the home. This evidence will dictate the focus and speed of the investigation.

http://www.kpho.com/story/28147254/police-investigating-scottsdale-womans-death-as-homicide

 

[bessie]

This is what I don't get. announcing they have the DNA! Wow now they can get a snapshot of the person from it. SO, if this person knows this, you know they will stay out of trouble for sure. I don't think it was smart for LE to let the public know this!

Probably not in this case. I mentioned phenotyping, or "snapshot", in a reply to MissD last night just as an example of advances in DNA technology. There was more to my post, but it was deleted when I made the edit.

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[...]
DNA phenotyping, in contrast, uses genetic variations selected to give maximum information about personal appearance. The technique is still in its infancy, with eye, skin and hair colour and ethnic or racial background the main characteristics that can be determined. Further research is expected to provide stronger links with facial shape and, by tracking “epigenetic” changes in DNA as people grow older, give an indication of age. In the long run, phenotyping could transform the investigation of serious crimes in which the offender leaves a microscopic trace of his or her body fluids or tissues but DNA fingerprinting provides no match. It would be the equivalent of having a physical description from a perfectly reliable witness.

Columbia Police Department is one of a small number of forces, mainly in North America, that are trialling forensic phenotyping. Toronto Police Service is another.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/012b2b9c-a742-11e4-8a71-00144feab7de.html#axzz3YjZ0oU9T

 

[MissD]

This is where my whole "cat burglar" theory comes in. They enter the home while people are sleeping. The whole idea is to get in and get out without the occupants knowing they're there. They will take credit cards because the victim won't know they're gone for usually 24 hours, usually longer, and then the victim will wonder if they just misplaced them. They'll hit jewelry boxes because most middle class people only put their jewelry in there that they wear on special occasions or have sentimental value. Sometimes it's weeks or even months before they realize anything's missing.
If the perp is surprised by the victim, they usually run, specially in Arizona because of our lenient gun laws. But if the victim gets the drop on the perp, confronts the perp, it can get violent.

I'll go crawl back over to the "burglar" side or the thread now, lol!

LOL! I thought most self-respecting burglars wore gloves! How'd he get scratches on his hands? And what were they doing having drinks together?

:thinking:

 

[cluciano63]

A common burglar would not, Imo, go into a temper tantrum (for lack of a better phrase). I still believe this was personal, someone she knew well and let into her home. And then she wanted him to leave. Jmo

 

[ModMaiden]

A common burglar would not, Imo, go into a temper tantrum (for lack of a better phrase). I still believe this was personal, someone she knew well and let into her home. And then she wanted him to leave. Jmo

I would agree with this. Based on reports regarding the murder and scene points more toward a personal attack vs random burglar getting caught in the act. It's a shame that this is another unsolved murder and certainly hope it doesn't become another cold case.

OT - MissD, your avatar is very lovely, its been fun watching it change. Nicely done.

 

[Bernina]

THAT is interesting. you think they found two glasses or mugs from a beverage and figured this person had something to drink with her AND found the DNA on one of the glasses?! Then things got bad. That would make sense why LE said this.

Eh, but if the perp attempted a clean-up, what with the bleach smell, you'd think he'd throw the glasses into the dishwasher and put it on the "super dirty" cycle.......

I wonder if they collected the "traps" on all the drains in the house?

 

[MissD]

A common burglar would not, Imo, go into a temper tantrum (for lack of a better phrase). I still believe this was personal, someone she knew well and let into her home. And then she wanted him to leave. Jmo

Or maybe she didn't let him in because he had his own key.

 

[MissD]

I would agree with this. Based on reports regarding the murder and scene points more toward a personal attack vs random burglar getting caught in the act. It's a shame that this is another unsolved murder and certainly hope it doesn't become another cold case.

OT - MissD, your avatar is very lovely, its been fun watching it change. Nicely done.

ModMaiden! Why thank you very much for noticing. I can't come up with any new theories so at least I can come up with some new Avatars. LOL!

 

[MissD]

Re: What LE said about the perp could become violent:

<snipped>

"This subject may not always be violent, but could become violent when confronted."

http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/Police/newsPIO/Allison_Feldman_Murder?DateTime=635645358000000000&PageMode=View

You know how this translates to me? I think it translates to:

"We know who he is and someone who knows him well has confirmed this to be his behavior."

Why hasn't an arrest been made yet? I think Bessie hit the nail on the head when she said they could be building a case.

 

[MissD]

Eh, but if the perp attempted a clean-up, what with the bleach smell, you'd think he'd throw the glasses into the dishwasher and put it on the "super dirty" cycle.......

I wonder if they collected the "traps" on all the drains in the house?

I think they (SPD) are very busy setting out traps at the moment.

 

[MissD]

Interesting idea! Maybe the perp became violent when confronted twice in connection with Allison's murder -- first at the time of the crime and secondly when asked for a DNA sample. JMO.

Hmmmm.....that's an interesting thought, Pacific!

 

[MissD]

I have to agree. I don't think LE would consider a burglar to commit a targeted crime. If LE thinks this was a burglary,then wouldn't everyone else in the neighborhood be at risk?

Exactly! If they thought anyone was in danger they would say so. They would also tell if it had been a sexual assault because all females would be at risk and they would need to be warned.

 

[MissD]

In response to my question about LE stating they have the killer's DNA profile:

And, why announce it? Are they trying to spoke someone? Does it reassure the public that they are safe - IMO, sounds like the killer is on the lose.

Also, no mention if the DNA's been processed .... it should tell us if male or female,
ethnicity, perhaps more as per:
DNA: the next frontier in forensics -
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/012b2b9c-a742-11e4-8a71-00144feab7de.html

It's funny how we can react differently when reading the exact same thing. To me it meant more like the public didn't have to worry cause they know who did it. So, therefore, it doesn't sound like the "killer is on the loose", but rather like they have it under control and will be making an arrest soon.

That's my take on it.

 

[MissD]

Who was it that posted something about who had keys to her house?

I wonder if the perp locked the front door when he left. Did the BF let himself in with a key? Did anyone see that in any reports?

I wonder who else had keys.

 

[Bernina]

I didn't see the link you posted earlier, but it might have been this one.

http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtml

It's true that the actual processing of the sample can be completed within 2-3 days, and when a comparison is made to a known subject -- as in the case of AS and other deceased victims where a profile of the missing person is already available -- a match can be made rather quickly. Finding a match to an unknown subject normally takes much longer.

MissD pointed out an article in which LE states they do have the DNA profile, so I'll take it for granted that is true. I wouldn't make any assumptions based on failure to make an arrest, or to clear anyone, though. There are a couple of possibilities, and imo, either is likely to be true at this point.

Either the profile matches to a known suspect with DNA on file, but LE is holding off on an arrest while awaiting results from other evidence testing ("putting together a case").

Or, there is no known match for the DNA -- suspect is known, but has not submitted a sample; or, suspect is not on the radar, and thus, has not been questioned -- and LE is still seeking out the subject through various databases, while simultaneously utilizing other investigative procedures.

JMO

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Scottsdale police released a statement that said in part:

"Today's homicide investigations depend heavily on forensic evidence and science. These investigations take time as scientific evaluation is applied to the collected evidence. This is very apparent in this investigation.

"Our detectives and crime scene specialists worked tirelessly for three days methodically and systematically collecting forensic evidence from inside the home. This evidence will dictate the focus and speed of the investigation.

http://www.kpho.com/story/28147254/police-investigating-scottsdale-womans-death-as-homicide

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...olice-confirm-they-have-sample-of-killers-dna

Scottsdale police have confirmed they have a DNA sample from the person who killed a 31-year-old woman in her home last month.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ward-offered-allison-feldman-murder/25750425/

Scottsdale police announced the reward on Monday, alongside never-before-released information about the case, namely that investigators are in possession of the murderer's DNA profile.

Because detectives have the murderer's DNA profile, they can link someone to the case as well as exclude potential suspects, a police statement said.

http://www.12news.com/story/news/12...ws-reward-offered-scottsdale-murder/25746441/

Sergeant Ben Hoster with the Scottsdale police department confirms they have obtained a DNA sample of the suspect in the Allison Feldman murder case.

Is "sample" different from "profile"? All of these links are from April 13/14. Did one news organization misrepresent what SPD "said"? No SPD officer was actually quoted as saying "profile" that I could find.........

http://biotechlearn.org.nz/focus_stories/forensics/dna_profiling

1. Get a sample of DNA

DNA is found in most cells of the body, including white blood cells, semen, hair roots, and body tissue. Traces of DNA can also be detected in body fluids, such as saliva and perspiration because they also contain epithelial cells. Forensic scientists and police officers collect samples of DNA from crime scenes. DNA can also be collected directly from a person using a mouth swab (which collects inner cheek cells).

And that DOES look like the link for DNA processing that I posted.

If SPD DID have a match, you'd think they'd pick their suspect up for B & E, they have the surveillance video(s), and DNA. With just those 2, they'd have probable cause to get a search warrant from a Judge for the missing property and the clothes worn by the perp in the video. They'd have method, motive, opportunity.

I've seen SPD serve arrest warrants with far less on my ex years ago. As in he was "seen in the area". Detective Gary Nelson was in burglary back then and he could really work the legal angles.

Any "evidence" the perp had was probably disposed of within hours.

 

[Luvrosco]

As far as keys go. Did she have a cleaning girl? Since, she worked she could have given her a key. Or perhaps a neighbor. My neighbor has a key to our house. Just a friendly reminder: please make sure your inboxes are cleaned out regularly if they have reached the total number permitted. Saw this mentioned on another thread.

 

[MissD]

As far as keys go. Did she have a cleaning girl? Since, she worked she could have given her a key. Or perhaps a neighbor. My neighbor has a key to our house. Just a friendly reminder: please make sure your inboxes are cleaned out regularly if they have reached the total number permitted. Saw this mentioned on another thread.

I doubt she had a cleaning lady. She didn't have kids or anyone to make a big mess and she traveled so much. Interesting about keeping the inbox clean.

 

[Luvrosco]

You're probably right about having a cleaning lady. I was just wondering if she gave a spare key to someone. Do we know if she generally parked her car in the garage? I remember seeing a show where the woman entered her garage and the perp snuck in before the door closed. Then had access to the house.

 

[Bernina]

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LOL! I thought most self-respecting burglars wore gloves! How'd he get scratches on his hands? And what were they doing having drinks together?

:thinking:

The gloves were part of my theory, one could have been ripped off during the struggle.
The glasses? That's someone else's theory towards the "known attacker", but not mine.
But, SPD hasn't said anything about either of those 2 things so it's just speculation.

Back to that burglary suspect that SPD gave absolutely no info about over a month ago, just the screen captures of surveillance footage? Compare it with this news item from today:

http://www.kpho.com/story/28932277/scottsdale-police-seek-suspect-in-ice-den-locker-room-burglaries

Why didn't the article I posted weeks back go into the area the "perp" was hitting (Scottsdale area is WAY too broad), what was being stolen, when he was hitting the houses, etc., etc.
Scottsdale's boundaries go out to Phoenix, Carefree, Fountain Hills, Tempe, Pima-Maricopa Rez and the Tonto National Forest. I had to look up this nugget: it's 184+ square miles. And this burglar is hitting Scottsdale. It didn't say the Arcadia District, Old Town, Gainey, Shea Corridor, Scottsdale Airpark, Mountain Shadows,etc......again, the whole article was incredibly non-informative. Just a "Do you recognize this burglar, he's burglarizing Scottsdale."

I just have a weird feeling about that article and those pics.

Ok, weirder than I normally am, LOL! <-----that's for Miss D, cause you know how I roll!

 

[Bernina]

[/B]

I think they (SPD) are very busy setting out traps at the moment.

The "traps" on the water discharge lines, lol! The sink, shower, toilet, etc., for more DNA. If the perp cleaned up, there would be evidence, hair, tissue, diluted blood, fabric fibers, unless he poured a ton of bleach down them.