AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[MissD]

OT, when Adrienne S. went missing, I believed her boyfriend's story right away, even though it had her leaving his car and taking off on foot. I know many doubted him, but LE verbally cleared his name fairly quickly, if I remember correctly. Anyway...just a thought I had, looking back (at a horrible case, as yet unsolved.)

Yes Clu. I believed him too. And he was completely and totally cooperative with LE. Submitted to their somewhat harsh interrogation of him, passed all the lie detector tests, submitted to DNA testing, etc.

It was the other POI in that case, who lawyered up, refused to cooperate and take lie detector tests.

I hope someday that case will be solved. It still haunts me. I will never get over it I don't think.

 

[Sillybilly]

Mod hat off for now:

Hey folks ... am trying to get up to speed on Allison's threads. Am still back on Thread #1, but here's what I've gleaned there (if it has changed substantially, please correct me).

It has been said (paraphrased) that LE are looking at someone who previously asked Allison out, someone who has had contact with her in the past, and they are keeping an eye on that person as the investigation moves forward.

LE has indicated the bf is cooperating.

Apparently a nearby surveillance camera confirms the bf's accounting of when he discovered Allison's body.

Although I'm not through Thread #1 yet, someone mentioned to me that LE has the DNA of the killer. Is this the case, and IF yes, would the bf not be ruled out rather quickly by providing his DNA?

Mod hat on now:

AFAIK, the bf has not been named as a POI or suspect and indications I've seen thus far are that LE is looking elsewhere. Unless there is something more recent to the contrary, let's lay off the speculation around the bf who, at this point in time, appears to also be a victim.

 

[MissD]

Miss D, I think this is an interesting angle. There were and I'm sure still are a lot of shady people that were involved in the mortgage business. I would think her parents would have tried to help her out,also. Maybe, she was embarrassed and didn't want them to know. Maybe, she wasn't good with $ and made some risky investments or got scammed somehow. She wouldn't be the first person for this to happen to. CNBC's "American Greed" has done more than one show on real estate scam artists. I'll try to find a link.

Yes, this has been a huge concern to me too, Luvrosco, because of the unusual and highly coincidental timing of the recordings on these R/E recordings. I'm wondering if she has been consulting with someone in the mortgage business or with mortgage knowledge. Surely she was attempting to solve these problems, being the very responsible business woman she appeared to be, and I believe she was.

I did see the link to American Greed, btw and checked it out. Unbelievable how many people were taken for all they had by these scam artists. I found one case where the client had been murdered as well. This is scary stuff.

 

[MissD]

Just read that earlier article again about the BF and the DNA sample.

From the article...

Her boyfriend who discovered her body has been questioned multiple times, and he's given a DNA sample, but he has not been named a suspect, neither has he been completely ruled out, home invasions and murders are very rare.

Mar 21, 2015: http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/28...a-top-priority[/SIZE]

And here's what I heard the reporter say, word for word, on the video...

"Her boyfriend who discovered her body and called police has been questioned multiple times.

He's also given a DNA sample.

He has not been named a suspect but neither has he been completely ruled out as one.

Stranger home invasions and murders are very rare."

Mar 21, 2015: http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...police-say-solving-murder-case-a-top-priority

So I guess now that they have the DNA we will know who did it soon?

I would think they would be issuing a statement clearing anyone who had not previously been cleared now that they have the DNA.

This is terribly confusing. Has anyone heard of any other cases being this confusing when it comes to police reports?

Sigggghhhh......

 

[MissD]

Mod hat off for now:

Hey folks ... am trying to get up to speed on Allison's threads. Am still back on Thread #1, but here's what I've gleaned there (if it has changed substantially, please correct me).

It has been said (paraphrased) that LE are looking at someone who previously asked Allison out, someone who has had contact with her in the past, and they are keeping an eye on that person as the investigation moves forward.

LE has indicated the bf is cooperating.

Apparently a nearby surveillance camera confirms the bf's accounting of when he discovered Allison's body.

Although I'm not through Thread #1 yet, someone mentioned to me that LE has the DNA of the killer. Is this the case, and IF yes, would the bf not be ruled out rather quickly by providing his DNA?

Mod hat on now:

AFAIK, the bf has not been named as a POI or suspect and indications I've seen thus far are that LE is looking elsewhere. Unless there is something more recent to the contrary, let's lay off the speculation around the bf who, at this point in time, appears to also be a victim.

Hello sillybilly,

Love your name! And nice to meet you. I'm happy to see you took your mod hat off for a little while to read the thread about Allison's terrible murder case here in the town I live in. She only lived a few blocks from me and I am praying they will catch her killer and bring him to justice soon.

I hope you will be able to make heads or tails out of the information you read. It's a very confusing case because LE has released very few details and about the only real info we have is from some 'leaked documents' that one of the local news channels was able to get their hands on because someone with SPD forgot to seal it.

They scrubbed it right away but not before it had been out there for at least 24 hours and so there are still traces of it all over the web.

The other thing that makes this case so confusing is that Allison was just such an outstanding and upstanding successful young (31 year old) business woman. She wasn't into some alternate life style that might have put her at high risk to be murdered. And so it was very shocking when she was so brutally murdered in her own home.

The local channels have been desperate to provide the public with news about the case and it seems whenever they get something it gets changed around and comes out differently on each news outlet that reports it.

Therefore: mass confusion by those of us who are attempting to learn and share everything we can about this case.

I hope you will drop by more often and give us your opinion of what you think might have happened.

Thank you for your courtesy.

MissD

PS.... In response to your question above, LE does have a DNA sample of the BF so now that they have stated officially that they have the killer's DNA we are expecting the BF to be cleared. We just don't understand why it hasn't already happened. Hope this answers your question.

 

[enzeder]

"At the community meeting Tuesday night, when asked if Allison's boyfriend was a suspect, police said "he has been cooperating.""
February 25, 2015: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ergeant-paul-penzone-solving-murder/24035605/

 

[MaryS]

But MaryS, do we really know if she was with him on the 17th?

Ahhh good point. He told her father I think it was that he was there but you're right...we really don't know.

 

[MaryS]

MaryS, were you there?

No, I wasn't there. I hadn't heard about it or I probably would've gone.

 

[Dee20912]

Ahhh good point. He told her father I think it was that he was there but you're right...we really don't know.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2123684
In this article, the sister is quoted as saying, “He's beside himself because he's over at her place quite a bit, because he worries about her living alone,” Kelly said. “Of course he wasn't there on Tuesday night. She had kicked him out, basically saying because he's in grad school -- like go home and study and have quiet time."

Regarding whether he was there on the 17th: This quote from the sister seems to indicate she last saw him on the 16th? Although I suppose it could mean AF "kicked him out" earlier on that day?

 

[tarabull]

ScottsdalePD ‏@ScottsdalePD 9h 9 hours ago
Allison Feldman Case added to Silent Witness. http://bit.ly/1Dcpiy5
https://twitter.com/ScottsdalePD/status/587750176741273602

Allison Feldman Murder
Monday, April 13, 2015
http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/Police/newsPIO/Allison_Feldman_Murder

Snipped...

...Finally, investigators have physical evidence that will positively identify this person, but can also exclude anyone not involved. Therefore, detectives are asking our citizens to consider any male who may fit the above description, regardless of age, whether he may be a family member, neighbor or acquaintance, to contact detectives via phone at 480-312-TIPS, www.tipsoft.com (click on submit web tip and follow the drop down menu for Scottsdale PD) or the above listed Silent Witness sources.

 

[time]

"At the community meeting Tuesday night, when asked if Allison's boyfriend was a suspect, police said "he has been cooperating.""
February 25, 2015: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ergeant-paul-penzone-solving-murder/24035605/

I wonder if 'cooperating' means that he has willingly given a DNA sample?

 

[Dee20912]

I just saw something posted on her FB. A friend of hers posted, "Wednesday night at 11:11...for me, time stood still." Does anyone know why she would know that time or what it might mean? Is this possible information that we didn't know and could be time of death or something?

 

[Ibiz]

The murder left Allison's home around -1:00AM, Wednesday Feb, 18th, and would have unaccounted for time on late Tuesday evening, Feb, 17th., and 1:00AM Wednesday morning.

Allison fought with the killer, and he most likely suffered minor cuts, scratches, or other injuries to his hands and arms.

The murderer might also not appear to be violent, but can get violent when confronted.

After the murder, the killer took Allison's iPhone 6, her credit cards, maybe a Tiffany bracelet, and some of her other jewelry.

Police believe it's possible that the killer may live in the nearby area. He also left some of his DNA behind at the scene of Allison's murder.

No signs of forced entry was found, and her body was discovered by her boyfriend sometime on Wednesday after her parent asked him to check on her.

The murderer covered Allison's head with a cloth of some sort.

Did I miss anything here?

 

[tarabull]

Just read that earlier article again about the BF and the DNA sample.

From the article...

Her boyfriend who discovered her body has been questioned multiple times, and he's given a DNA sample, but he has not been named a suspect, neither has he been completely ruled out, some invasions and murders are very rare.

Mar 21, 2015: http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/28...a-top-priority

And here's what I heard the reporter say, word for word, on the video...

"Her boyfriend who discovered her body and called police has been questioned multiple times.

He's also given a DNA sample.

He has not been named a suspect but neither has he been completely ruled out as one.

Stranger home invasions and murders are very rare."

Mar 21, 2015: http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...police-say-solving-murder-case-a-top-priority

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just reviewing...fwiw.

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[colette]

The murderer covered Allison's head with a pillow case.

Did I miss anything here?

Snipped by me... her head was covered with a "cloth" unknown type.

I just saw something posted on her FB. A friend of hers posted, "Wednesday night at 11:11...for me, time stood still." Does anyone know why she would know that time or what it might mean? Is this possible information that we didn't know and could be time of death or something?

It may have been when the friend heard about her death? She was killed sometime Tuesday 8PM -Wed 1AM, and found later in the day Wed.

 

[Bernina]

How and why do you suspect it was photoshopped?
I am now on the fence..is it the BF or the man in the still pic that had been robbing residences around that area? It would be easy for LE to get dna from the BF all they have to do is tell her parents they suspect him and need dna. Parents invite BF for dinner, he leaves, they call LE to come collect the glass, silverware, plate that BF ate off of.

Usually anyone connected is asked to give DNA so they can eliminate them, it's voluntary. If the BF has been "cooperating", they would have asked for a swap when he went down to the SPD for his statement.

And to make a comment about the BF not touching her, she was dead by 1 am, BF found her at 4:00 pm. The heating system in the house was no doubt on, and he's looking at a crime scene and a dead body that's at least 15 hours old. What he saw would have in no way resembled AF. If it were me, I wouldn't touch anything either, it had to look pretty horrific. Dried blood splatter, congealed blood, discolored body?

Quick overview of the human body after death: https://forensicmd.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/early-postmortem-changes1.pdf

At 15 hours, there's rigor, livor, prominent discoloration where there was any type of trauma. The thermostat was probably set around 68-70 degrees. And what about excrement? What about the developing smell of death?

Loved one or not, I wouldn't be trying to resuscitate a body that was visibly that far into decomp or checking for a pulse.

Reality check: Would any of you REALLY check for a pulse, cradle the body in your arms?

 

[tarabull]

Does anyone have the link to the story that reported AS called 911 twice???

I read it yesterday & today I can't find it....

:gaah:

 

[MissD]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2123684
In this article, the sister is quoted as saying, “He's beside himself because he's over at her place quite a bit, because he worries about her living alone,” Kelly said. “Of course he wasn't there on Tuesday night. She had kicked him out, basically saying because he's in grad school -- like go home and study and have quiet time."

Regarding whether he was there on the 17th: This quote from the sister seems to indicate she last saw him on the 16th? Although I suppose it could mean AF "kicked him out" earlier on that day?

I'm confused. How does this quote indicate he might have been there on the 16th? For all we know he wasn't even there after Sunday. She might have told him Sunday night, when the weekend was winding down, that he needed to go home and study.

She had a job. He had school and classes to attend. I'm sure she had work to do, or at least I think she did.

Trying to imagine what her last few days were like. What she might have been doing. Where she might have gone. But regardless, they would surely have spoken on the phone.

But there is nothing to indicate what they did or when they last saw each other. All we really have is that last photo she posted on Facebook saying Happy Valentine's Day.

I'm trying to imagine in my mind what it would be like to go that long without seeing the one I love when we were both in the same town. It's quite possible, I suppose, that they hadn't seen one another since Sunday.

Could that be?

 

[time]

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just reviewing...fwiw.

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Thanks TB, that answers my question on the DNA. Odd they haven't cleared him IF it's not his DNA... wouldn't that mean it had to be a hit or something? At any rate, I find the crime scene odd. Most burglars don't do all these other things... murder, bleach and white powder, cover face, nude body, etc.

 

[MissD]

I just saw something posted on her FB. A friend of hers posted, "Wednesday night at 11:11...for me, time stood still." Does anyone know why she would know that time or what it might mean? Is this possible information that we didn't know and could be time of death or something?

I've seen that post too, Dee, and wondered what she meant. I finally reached the conclusion it might have been (as someone else said) the time she learned about AF's death. There's a lot of speculation trending now about seeing one's. So she might have wondered about hearing about Allison and seeing 11:11 at the same time. I see ones often myself. Some people think it means something about angels.