AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[MissD]

Barking dogs wake people, that's why some people even have dogs.

Her back wall was so close to the end of that alley he would be over the wall and out of the alley and down the street before someone could get out of bed to see why their dog was barking.

Why at this point does it even matter? We know he left through the front door. Not the alley. So basically it's a moot point isn't it?

FYI, when I go out my FRONT door my neighbors dogs bark at me. Each and every time!

Freaking yappers!!! :gaah:

 

[MissD]

BBM - I'm thinking the same way MissD. His car was most likely parked out front somewhere and he had no choice but to leave via the front entrance. This makes me think that he probably didn't have murder in mind when he went there. imo

Exactly enzeder! That's just what I think. I don't think he went there planning to murder her.

Crime of passion....unplanned.

 

[MissD]

An FYI for those who are not in Arizona:

Most people here don't keep their dogs outside for several reasons. Coyotes, bobcats, hawks and owls and the heat are the main reasons.

 

[MissD]

Hey enzeder! Have you ever seen a report or do you have a link from any news source or LE that states the perp "might live in the neighborhood"?

I can't find one. All I can find is that he might "live in the area".

I thought you would know since you're the "link-whisperer"!

:floorlaugh:

 

[enzeder]

Hey enzeder! Have you ever seen a report or do you have a link from any news source or LE that states the perp "might live in the neighborhood"?

I can't find one. All I can find is that he might "live in the area".

I thought you would know since you're the "link-whisperer"!

:floorlaugh:

I just did a quick search and have only seen "in the area" reported thus far. How big is an area?. How long is a piece of string?

 

[MissD]

I just did a quick search and have only seen "in the area" thus far. How big is an area?. How long is a piece of string?

I don't know! How square r pi?

LOL!

Thanks for looking!

:heartluv:

 

[enzeder]

I don't know! How square r pi?

LOL!

Thanks for looking!

:heartluv:

Yw! - I guess "in the area" could mean the same street or nearby streets to Allison's home or the whole of Scottsdale or even surrounding suburbs?. imo

 

[Luvrosco]

I was just reading all of yesterday's posts,since I was out all day and didn't get back until late last night. Just checking to see if any news broke. IMO,I just don't see this as a burglary. My main reason is no forced entry. If by chance AF let tge burglar in,I just don't see a burglar taking the time to clean up. How would they know no one would be coming back to the house? Also, LE has not warned the community to be more vigilant which I think they would if they thought this random. I still think the house was staged. I think it might have been a crime of passion. I'm hoping LE is close to an arrest.

 

[OldSteve]

I was just reading all of yesterday's posts,since I was out all day and didn't get back until late last night. Just checking to see if any news broke. IMO,I just don't see this as a burglary. My main reason is no forced entry. If by chance AF let tge burglar in,I just don't see a burglar taking the time to clean up. How would they know no one would be coming back to the house? Also, LE has not warned the community to be more vigilant which I think they would if they thought this random. I still think the house was staged. I think it might have been a crime of passion. I'm hoping LE is close to an arrest.

Agree. It is a strange case and difficult to sleuth because we've been given so little to chew on.... we do not know if attack was sexual, do not know gender of DNA found or what kind it is.... what murder weapon was used, details of the crime scene, and if outside help has been asked for from other agencies... LE appears to release only info that will help them in some way.
IMO interesting bit of info is their saying --

Detectives say: “This subject may not always be violent, but could become violent when confronted. He likely suffered minor cuts or injuries to his hands or arms struggling with Allison. *

How do they know this (not always violent part?) - is it because of something about the crime scene? We know there was no forced entry into her home, but does not explain statement. Would they say this if they believe the killer brought with him (her**) the murder weapon, don't think so... IMO sounds like they believe she knew her killer, let him in, and during the course of night an argument developed - killer became violent and used something handy from her house to strike the fatal blow(s)...

She may not have been sexually attacked, perhaps disrobed to make it appear like she was attacked, and items also taken to stage burglary - but killer not being experienced over did it, sexual attack as well as burglary...

Sadly, I see in the photos posted no one has placed any flowers by her home...

Okay, those are my thoughts - all conjecture and would not surprise me if totally wrong.

* http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/28793681/reward-offered-in-murder-of-scottsdale-woman

 

[Bernina]

If I had murdered someone and I was leaving the scene, I would be very concerned about who might still be up on any night of the week. As for security camera range, I've never seen one that had a very wide range, until you get up in the 20K bracket with those 360 degree cams.

I will concede the point that we don't actually know what time the perp did come to AFs. Yes, the 8:00 p.m. time is from the text or convo (whichever it was) she had with her mom that night.

However, as to what time the BF left. That has never been established to my knowledge.

I still can't see someone coming in through the alley and then murdering someone and leaving through the front door.

Come on....can't you concede to that one little point?

I will concede also that you are probably right about not checking the pulse or cradling the body.

:facepalm:

But at this point..that's my concession limit for the day.

:fence:

The neighbor's camera corroborates the BF leaving when he told SPD he did. When ever that was.
We don't know when AF's phone was turned off, just that it was between 8:00 and 11:00 pm.
We don't know who's camera picked up the perp leaving, but you kinda have to assume it showed the front of AF's house?
And SPD hasn't said that the perp was picked up on camera going in, or knocking on the door, right?
The alley way was crime scene taped off.....why? It wasn't just her back fence, it was the whole stretch of the alley.

If AF let the perp in voluntarily or was bum rushed at her front door, why is there video of the BF leaving, no video of the perp coming, but video of him leaving? The assumption would be the camera is across the street from AF's?

We don't even know if the calls and texts are Minnesota time or Arizona time.

(Most standard home surveillance cameras have a decent 10-15 foot range in the dark, 4/8 camera units, hardwired and wireless, with the main IP/DVR router and flat screen viewer run between $300-$1100/DIY. The cameras units which grocery stores use in their parking lots run between $400-1000 each, and overlap their 400 ft range, with stationary, pan/tilt/ 180 degree radius options, with independent IR illuminators which run about $400 each. I use several cameras with different ranges to cover my entire 5+ acres property, including the same commercial range cameras because of animal theft and property destruction. I don't think I've spent more than $5K and we're talking well over 5 acres, not a small lot in a housing development. This will give you an idea of pricing http://www.securitycamerasdirect.com/ $40K on a small home is overkill many times over)

Maybe in the perp's attempt to clean up, he found himself on the wrong side of the body and the blood and chose to walk out the front so he wouldn't have to clean up what he'd have to track through to go out the back?

SPD has really given us next to nothing to work with. No TOD, cause of death, sexual assault, perp description, cell phone activity, position of body, what kind of cloth, condition of house, what else was stolen, entry/exit location, alarm on or off........

What is actually concrete from SPD?

Last contact at around 8:00 pm Tues. (was it AZ or MN time?)
Video confirms BF left home Tues. (but at what time?)
AF's phone was off by 11:00 pm Tues. (again, AZ or MN time?)
No forced entry. (what kind of activity did the security system show? Was it even on?)
AF found in main hallway. (is that where the attack started or was it somewhere else?)
Cloth around head, nude. ​ (what kind of cloth? Did she sleep in the nude or was there evidence she just came out of the shower? Was she sexually assaulted?)
Head trauma. (blunt force, gun shot, or both?)
AF fought back. (was it confined to the hallway?)
Bleach smell and white substance around body. (was there a clean up attempt or what? AF had a load of whites in the washer?)
Perp may have had scratches on hands or arms. (which doesn't help several weeks after the fact)
Video confirms perp left at 1:05 am Wed. (leaving how and where?)
Credit cars, iPhone, Tiffany bracelet taken. (with no photo of the "stock bracelet" from T & C :facepalm
BF contacted SPD at 4:05 pm Wed. (did he have to de-activate the alarm before entry?)
DNA of attacker has been processed with no identification match. (yet, so does that mean the DNA is no match anywhere in LE/Military data bases?)

For the most part, SPD's "concrete" is on the "vague" side, or of no use because it's not specific or detailed. :scared:

 

[tarabull]

OT: I wish 'certain people' would clear their inboxes.

*hint* *hint*

:goodpost:

:bump:

 

[MissD]

:goodpost:

:bump:

:cheers:

:coffeews:

 

[MissD]

Agree. It is a strange case and difficult to sleuth because we've been given so little to chew on.... we do not know if attack was sexual, do not know gender of DNA found or what kind it is.... what murder weapon was used, details of the crime scene, and if outside help has been asked for from other agencies... LE appears to release only info that will help them in some way.
IMO interesting bit of info is their saying --

Detectives say: “This subject may not always be violent, but could become violent when confronted. He likely suffered minor cuts or injuries to his hands or arms struggling with Allison. *

How do they know this (not always violent part?) - is it because of something about the crime scene? We know there was no forced entry into her home, but does not explain statement. Would they say this if they believe the killer brought with him (her**) the murder weapon, don't think so... IMO sounds like they believe she knew her killer, let him in, and during the course of night an argument developed - killer became violent and used something handy from her house to strike the fatal blow(s)...

She may not have been sexually attacked, perhaps disrobed to make it appear like she was attacked, and items also taken to stage burglary - but killer not being experienced over did it, sexual attack as well as burglary...

Sadly, I see in the photos posted no one has placed any flowers by her home...

Okay, those are my thoughts - all conjecture and would not surprise me if totally wrong.

* http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/28793681/reward-offered-in-murder-of-scottsdale-woman

Hi Steve! Thanks for coming back. I was happy to see your post this morning!

BBM:

With the crumbs of information LE has released in this case, I find it interesting that they would make a statement like "this subject may not always be violent" to the public.

Two schools of thought on that in my mind. They think they know who the subject is or due to many complaints about the way LE handled the Community Meeting at the school, they have come out with information warning the public "he may become violent when confronted" and "he may live in the area" just to protect themselves from future lawsuits in the event something else really horrible happens.

I've pointed out before, that many people were so upset in that first meeting they just got up and walked out.

Not telling us if it was a sexual attack is probably due to their feeling that this was targeted, isolated, personal. If LE thought there was a rapist breaking into homes and murdering their victim I believe they would tell us.

I agree, and LE has let it be known they believe this too, that she knew her killer. The most likely reason I would think is what you said. She let someone in .... something happened that caused the killer to become enraged. I don't feel it was planned or pre-meditated.

As for flowers.....they were there. There were quite a few flowers on her porch at one time but they dried up and finally were removed.

 

[MissD]

I don't think the times of phone calls and texts to or from the family matter that much. There was only a one hour difference in Arizona and Minnesota at the time of the murder. Also, people tend to forget exactly when they talked or texted someone.

I do think we can depend on the times we have been given by LE however. They state (clearly) that the suspect left Allison's following the murder at 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning. (Feb 18th) They also give TOD as Feb 17th in official documents. So that means she was murdered sometime Tuesday night, but we don't know when.

It is important, for several reasons, to try to pinpoint a time when 'things went wrong' so to speak. How long the killer was in the house with Allison can tell us things. Things that would indicate if it were someone she knew vs a burglar or neighbor.

From information we've gotten from the family, dad and sister, Allison either spoke with or texted her mother Tuesday night around 7:00 p.m. or 8:00 p.m. So at that time, apparently she was still alive and well. Happy and excited over her coming trip to the Bahamas. Excited over buying a new dress.

Then at 11:00 p.m. (Harley Feldman's time) which would have been 10:00 p.m. Arizona time, Harley tried to send Allison a text and it "didn't go through".

So, based on this we can safely assume that at the latest the text didn't go through at say 11:00 p.m. (in the event Harley meant Arizona time.)

Okay...so when the text didn't go through this is when everyone thinks something had already happened to Allison. Am I correct? I believe this is the case.

So, let's just assume (for the sake of assuming) that she was murdered at 11:00 p.m. and the killer left at 1:05 a.m.

That's still 3 hours. A long time to be in a house with a body you have just murdered.

I wonder what the killer did during those 3 hours besides going through her jewelry box.

Fixed himself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Drank a bottle of Pinot Grigio?

Or was he in a horrible remorseful state? Perhaps even crying over what had happened. Wringing his hands with worry over what was going to next. Thinking about how he was going to leave. Wondering should he call someone.

And then deciding to try to cover it up. Make it look like a robbery. A sexual attack.

Maybe he even called a friend to consult with .... get his/her advice. They might have even come over to help and brought the white substance with them. Farfetched? Maybe and maybe not. At the Community Meeting LE stated they did not know if there was one or more killers involved. This statement was made voluntarily and not in response to any question, leading me to believe it was possible more than one could have been involved.

He might have watched the neighbors lights across the street until they went out, to see if they had gone to bed so he could safely leave.

But he forgot about the surveillance camera.

 

[nancydrew71]

I know I don't get responded to for whatever reason, but I can tell you one thing, I never ever hear cars go by in our back alley (except one neighbor's Harley) BUT if a car starts up late at night when it is quiet, I DO hear it! 1 a.m. is quiet time. I think if he had started a car one of the neighbor's would have awaken and heard that! Or even looked out at 10 or 11 and seen a shape of a car in her driveway. I think this person walked over there. Allison is attractive and he saw that. MAYBE that's why they won't say she was sexually assaulted?! Ya think? This is JMO.

 

[MissD]

Why would LE say:

Detectives say: “This subject may not always be violent, but could become violent when confronted. He likely suffered minor cuts or injuries to his hands or arms struggling with Allison. *

I'm thinking it's because they have a suspect, even though they are not telling us they have a suspect. And they have interviewed people who know this suspect. Through their interviews they have learned that the suspect might have a tendency to get violent when riled, even though they may usually have a calm demeanor.

They also want to warn people not to confront the suspect. IOW, LE is trying to get a message out to certain people they think know this subject. "Don't try to confront him with this! He might become violent with you!"

They may hope friends and family of the suspect read this. I doubt very seriously this was meant for the general public.

But then........we don't really know do we?

 

[MissD]

I know I don't get responded to for whatever reason, but I can tell you one thing, I never ever hear cars go by in our back alley (except one neighbor's Harley) BUT if a car starts up late at night when it is quiet, I DO hear it! 1 a.m. is quiet time. I think if he had started a car one of the neighbor's would have awaken and heard that! Or even looked out at 10 or 11 and seen a shape of a car in her driveway. I think this person walked over there. Allison is attractive and he saw that. MAYBE that's why they won't say she was sexually assaulted?! Ya think? This is JMO.

When I'm sleeping nothing disturbs me. LOL I live in a neighborhood where some people park their cars not far from my house. If I heard a car start I wouldn't think anything about it unless they were outside honking or revving their engine or something strange about the car start. It is highly doubtful I would wake up even,

Normally single women in their 30s have guests over from time to time. I would imagine that when she first moved in the neighbors were more interested and aware of who visited her and what time and cars parked there etc than they were after she had lived there for ten months.

Also, most people are just not that observant. I was taking a 'how observant are you' test online yesterday. The results were interesting.

I was out and about several times yesterday and also last night. I couldn't even begin to tell you what cars were parked outside on the curb, if any, or what make, model, etc.

 

[enzeder]

This is basically a compilation of news dating back to the beginning.



I've read this I don't know how many times and this is the first time it has hit me. "Another person" !!!! How many "other persons" were they montioring?

This is the only court document we've seen because someone with SPD forgot to seal it. What about the others? How many warrants did they seek to obtain?

I suppose that I always thought when I read it before and it stated "another person" that they meant someone other than the obvious one. But they don't refer to him or anyone at all. This means they are seeking another warrant to monitor someone else that they are not already monitoring and it must mean that they indeed are monitoring others as well.

That's what I make of it.

This is very interesting! Amazing how things suddenly come to you...

Like when you take a break from working the crossword....then you go back....and the words begin to come to you.

You know what MissD, I think you've nailed it! :thumb:

imo

 

[Luvrosco]

P

Agree. It is a strange case and difficult to sleuth because we've been given so little to chew on.... we do not know if attack was sexual, do not know gender of DNA found or what kind it is.... what murder weapon was used, details of the crime scene, and if outside help has been asked for from other agencies... LE appears to release only info that will help them in some way.
IMO interesting bit of info is their saying --

How do they know this (not always violent part?) - is it because of something about the crime scene? We know there was no forced entry into her home, but does not explain statement. Would they say this if they believe the killer brought with him (her**) the murder weapon, don't think so... IMO sounds like they believe she knew her killer, let him in, and during the course of night an argument developed - killer became violent and used something handy from her house to strike the fatal blow(s)...

She may not have been sexually attacked, perhaps disrobed to make it appear like she was attacked, and items also taken to stage burglary - but killer not being experienced over did it, sexual attack as well as burglary...

Sadly, I see in the photos posted no one has placed any flowers by her home...

Okay, those are my thoughts - all conjecture and would not surprise me if totally wrong.

* http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/28793681/reward-offered-in-murder-of-scottsdale-woman

Detectives say: “This subject may not always be violent, but could become violent when confronted. He likely suffered minor cuts or injuries to his hands or arms struggling with Allison. *
This statement leads me to believe that LE has a POI. Why else would they make a statement like that? I'm inferring that it is someone that people know and would not suspect of any violent behavior.

 

[MissD]

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detectives say: “this subject may not always be violent, but could become violent when confronted. He likely suffered minor cuts or injuries to his hands or arms struggling with allison. *
this statement leads me to believe that le has a poi. Why else would they make a statement like that? I'm inferring that it is someone that people know and would not suspect of any violent behavior.

gmta! Lol!!

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