AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

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  • #821
Don't say that (BBM above)...IMHO the little fiasco (<- your word) / excercise (<- my word) might actually prove interesting, as it seems none of those highlighted were either of them...

:moo: :cow:

Well they must have been there since the BF said they were. Isn't that what Lilac7 said he said at the funeral? Or was that people who were at the funeral? At any rate, how did they know this?

Oh wait! Yes, Lilac did state the BF said during his eulogy that they went to a comedy club that night and made it seem to be low key.

Isn't that what she posted? I think it is.
 
  • #822
Could be! My no. 1 theory is a neighbor did this, but since everyone is concerned about the phone being taken, it could be someone did call her before they came. I wonder if that's true either, since nothing happens to be happening at all, IMO.

BBM:

That's so interesting, how we all have our own theories and we are just so sure of them.

You think it was a neighbor.

Bernina thinks it was a burglar.

I think it was someone she knew very well. #5

I wonder, since we are all basically privvy to the same info, what it is that drives each of us to form different theories?

If I told you, as an example, that the BF had been an ax murderer in the past, would you still think it was a neighbor?

LOL

He wasn't. But I just wondered how much you are stuck on that neighbor theory and if there was anything one could do or say that could cause you to consider anyone else.

I do find it interesting. Like a dog on a bone, Bernina said, won't give up that bone for hell or high water.

:)
 
  • #823
I didn't know a neighbor was spying on her! Was this in the news reports or from LE?
 
  • #824
Perhaps a "neighbor" called that evening to tell her a package addressed to her had been delivered to his house by mistake, and he would come right over to bring the package directly to her. Just a thought. . . .

But if it was neighbor that had been spying on her and he lied about the package, wouldn't he be a pretty dumb perp to call her on her cell phone?
 
  • #825
I didn't know a neighbor was spying on her! Was this in the news reports or from LE?

No...this was on the local WS news. Just one of the many speculations here by those of us with interesting theories.

And I think that LE stating it might be someone in the area added fire to the fuel. Or vice versa.

:)
 
  • #826
I think it's one perp. MissD,why do you think it could be two?

I don't really think it was more than one, unless he had help or called for help, after the fact. What if it was an accident (argument related) and he didn't really mean to kill her. But she died. I mean, maybe the killer shoved her and she fell into the granite counter and had a severe head wound and so he got some burn bandages out of her sales bag and wrapped a burn cloth around her head to try to stop the bleeding.

But he couldn't revive her and he didn't mean to kill her.

So maybe he called a buddy to come help him and the buddy said let's make it look like a sexual assault or a robbery. And the buddy brought some kind of bleach with him.

I mean...isn't this at all possible?

Maybe the buddy had some kind of experience in things like this. Maybe some kind of military training or something that gave him special knowledge and that's why he called him.

I'm just speculating on why there could have been more than one perp.

I have no idea how many there were. But I'm just trying to look for a reason for LE to say they had the killer's DNA but they won't clear the others.

Doesn't make sense to me unless they suspect there might have been more than one.
 
  • #827
I'm going with #5. I think this was personal. It was very violent. That tells me it was someone that was filled with rage towards her. I don't think someone that wasn't familiar with her personal life would spend so much time in the house. Also, the covering of the face leads me to believe he couldn't look at her. I just don't think someone that didn't know her would bother to cover her. Of course. I could be wrong about everything,I just said.
 
  • #828
PS....On theories!

I love hearing everyone different theories. Just because I have my own doesn't mean I think I'm the only one who knows anything.

I just wanted to clear that one thing up. I do not consider myself any kind of expert on anything.

I know I tend to come off passionate at times in my favorite theory. But that's just me.

Just want you to know that if I disagree, I don't disrespect you or your theory just because it's different from mine.

:)
 
  • #829
But if it was neighbor that had been spying on her and he lied about the package, wouldn't he be a pretty dumb perp to call her on her cell phone?

Yes! LOL.
 
  • #830
I'm going with #5. I think this was personal. It was very violent. That tells me it was someone that was filled with rage towards her. I don't think someone that wasn't familiar with her personal life would spend so much time in the house. Also, the covering of the face leads me to believe he couldn't look at her. I just don't think someone that didn't know her would bother to cover her. Of course. I could be wrong about everything,I just said.

I think that LE agrees with you.

"Targeted" "Isolated" "Personal"

PS...And so do I
 
  • #831
The taking of her cell phone does indicate it probably was someone Allison knew and had incriminating evidence on her phone that could tie the murderer to the crime. Why else take it? Any half witted burglar, random perp, serial killer, neighbor, ex, etc., would know that they couldn't use it, sell it, recycle it. To try to do anything with that phone after the fact would be like carrying around a red flag saying "I did it!" "I did it!"

No, he didn't 'steal' the phone. He took it so that no one would be able to see things on her phone that could identify him as the killer.

Or possibly he had taken the phone away from Allison and disabled it by breaking it or even removing the SIM card or damaging the battery by soaking it in water. Any of these things would have rendered it unusable and undetectable by GPS location services or Find My Phone apps, etc.

Anything that had been backed up the the Cloud which is what happens when your phone is plugged into the charger and connected to WIFI would still be there. There is nothing the killer could have done about that. Even if he did a reset. Also, her carrier would still have all of her calls out and calls received information as well as texts sent and received.

It would not have brower information however. So if the killer was browsing the internet for ways to destroy DNA it would not have that. But then again, the phone was probably disabled before he killed her so that's probably not the case here.

If she kept information on Notes that information may or not be stored on the cloud. I'm not sure.

But for sure, whatever the reason, the killer took the phone and has probably destroyed it and disposed of it in a manner in which it will never be recovered. (the phone, not information that the carrier, cloud, etc. has).

It's really too bad we don't know if the mother spoke with Allison at 8:00 p.m. MN time or if there was a text exchange at that time. That would give us some time frame in which we could sleuth better. The reason I say this is because it would tell us if the killer might have actually been there BEFORE that call or text, providing her mother didn't actually speak to Allison or maybe her text didn't go through but that was never mentioned.

For those of you who wonder what the 'not delivered message' on the dad's iPhone looked like, here is a pic:

iphone red not delivered message.jpg

FWIW: I sometimes get that message when I don't have a strong enough signal wherever I am to deliver my text. So, if the mother was flying and tried to text Allison she might not have thought too much about getting that 'not delivered' message, if she did get it. imo
 
  • #832
I would love to know more about what the living arrangement was with Allison and her boyfriend. Since they were so close they took trips abroad together and they were planning to be married, visiting her and his folks together, celebrating holidays together, etc. I would think they were probably basically co habitating.

IOW, I think they probably spent most nights together. I would think he had a garage opener, key to the house, alarm code etc. Probably parked his car in the garage when he was there.

The reason I want to know this is I think it is important in determining just how much time Allison did spend there alone and this would provide more insight into someone else stalking her or spying on her and why they would spend so much time at the house when they killed her, especially if the BF was there most of the time and they wouldn't know if he was going to show back up at any time.

Also, it makes me wonder about her telling him to go home and study. I would actually think he probably had his books and stuff there. Also, I wonder if he had clothes and stuff there. Maybe the killer even changed into some of the BFs clothes before he left, if he had gotten blood on the clothes he was wearing.

I'm going off my own experiences in the past. Not of killing anyone because I swear I've never done that. But I have lived with someone I was engaged to and I had access to everything including their charge cards and bank accounts and cars.

So...I'm curious. I think it's relevant.

:thinking:
 
  • #833
Excellent questions, MissD. I'd love to know the answers,too. Since, they were about to be engaged,I assume he was probably spending a lot of time at her house,and maybe planning on moving in full time. Unless,she had strict moral or religious beliefs and didn't feel it was appropriate.
 
  • #834
Excellent questions, MissD. I'd love to know the answers,too. Since, they were about to be engaged,I assume he was probably spending a lot of time at her house,and maybe planning on moving in full time. Unless,she had strict moral or religious beliefs and didn't feel it was appropriate.

If she had strict moral or religious beliefs to that extent I don't think they would have been traveling abroad together. Do you?

I'm pretty sure they planned to live together in that house after they were married. At least I would certainly assume so. imo
 
  • #835
I would love to know more about what the living arrangement was with Allison and her boyfriend. Since they were so close they took trips abroad together and they were planning to be married, visiting her and his folks together, celebrating holidays together, etc. I would think they were probably basically co habitating.

IOW, I think they probably spent most nights together. I would think he had a garage opener, key to the house, alarm code etc. Probably parked his car in the garage when he was there.

The reason I want to know this is I think it is important in determining just how much time Allison did spend there alone and this would provide more insight into someone else stalking her or spying on her and why they would spend so much time at the house when they killed her, especially if the BF was there most of the time and they wouldn't know if he was going to show back up at any time.

Also, it makes me wonder about her telling him to go home and study. I would actually think he probably had his books and stuff there. Also, I wonder if he had clothes and stuff there. Maybe the killer even changed into some of the BFs clothes before he left, if he had gotten blood on the clothes he was wearing.

I'm going off my own experiences in the past. Not of killing anyone because I swear I've never done that. But I have lived with someone I was engaged to and I had access to everything including their charge cards and bank accounts and cars.

So...I'm curious. I think it's relevant.

:thinking:

I wonder about these things as well. BF was going to Thunderbird School of Global Management, so it's safe to assume he was studying almost every day. Either he could stay focused and study at Allison's, or he needed to study somewhere else, like at his place, or at the library. Allison's house had several rooms, he certainly could have used a room there to study.

Allison and her BF had been dating 10 months, so I could see Allison being a distraction to his studies. I know I would have trouble studying with a GF of 10 months around. Heck, I have trouble studying with my wife around now.


I just can't imagine how some person would feel safe being in that house for hours after the murder, unless they knew Allison VERY well, and knew the BF would not return that night.

I can't help but wonder if LE has a suspect in mind, but just not enough hard evidence to convict yet. I remember when the Arias case became news, Jodi seemed incredibly guilty due to the circumstances of the case, but they still have to go through all the motions to convict her beyond the shadow of a doubt. I was hoping this was the case with Allison's murder, that they have a strong suspect and just need more time, but two months have gone by with no one being named, which is very troubling.
 
  • #836
If she had strict moral or religious beliefs to that extent I don't think they would have been traveling abroad together. Do you?

I'm pretty sure they planned to live together in that house after they were married. At least I would certainly assume so. imo
You're probably right about that. I doubt they got separate rooms. I just don't get why they hadn't officially moved in together. I'm sure that was the plan,unless she wasn't ready for it just yet. Hmm
 
  • #837
Wouldn't it just be so much easier if the BF would just join WS and come here as a Verified Insider and let us ask him all these questions and give us the answers? Or if her aunt that she was so close to would come in here and brainstorm with us. Or her parents. Or ANYONE close to her. They could tell us who gave Allison the bracelet and oh, so much more.
Yeah, I'm dreaming...
 
  • #838
Oh that would be great! But I don't see it happening. They are being very quiet. Perhaps, LE requested this of them.
 
  • #839
I just can't imagine how some person would feel safe being in that house for hours after the murder, unless they knew Allison VERY well, and knew the BF would not return that night.

Bingo. This is what really gets me thinking. Now, please refresh my memory...How is it that we know for sure the killer was in the house for that long of a period of time? I am absolutely not doubting you, just wanted to make sure if that was a fact or only a possibility.
IIRC, on the back end, I think they have established time of the killer leaving from video, is that correct? Have they nailed down the arrival time, or just that it could have been from a certain time forward?

I just don't see a random person taking the time to clean up, and linger at the scene of the crime for that long unless they were sure the BF wouldn't be coming back.
A thought about the phone...perhaps the phone was taken so the killer could go through it. For example...maybe it was someone who was jealous and they wanted to snoop and see who all Allison had been in contact with recently. Or maybe to see if Allison had texted/emailed/called anyone and discussed a problem she may have been having with the killer. So they could cover their tracks if need be and have an explanation ready to refute any statements that may have been made about them. Like Miss D, I don't feel that the phone was a 'theft' per se, just that it was taken, either to hide evidence or to know what alibis or explanations they may need to fabricate.
 
  • #840
Oh that would be great! But I don't see it happening. They are being very quiet. Perhaps, LE requested this of them.

I totally agree, I don't see that happening. But it sure would help us out!
We have soooo many questions, yet nobody that actually knew her to answer any of them.
 
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