GUILTY AZ - Colin Brough, 20, killed, 3 injured in NAU shooting, Flagstaff, 9 Oct 2015

[Bernina]

1 student killed, 3 wounded at Arizona campus during fight


http://www.kpho.com/story/30223758/officials-1-dead-3-wounded-in-shooting-at-nau-in-flagstaff?autostart=true

An overnight brawl between two groups of students escalated into violence Friday when a freshman at Northern Arizona University opened fire on four fraternity members, killing one and wounding three.

Prosecutors said the suspect's account amounted to a "self-serving" statement and alleged Jones was the aggressor."There is no indication of self-defense here," Deputy County Attorney Ammon Barker said. "The defendant had retreated from the fight, he obtained a gun and then he went back into the fray."

 

[Bernina]

[h=1]North Arizona University shooting: 911 calls released[/h]
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-northern-az/flagstaff/1-student-killed-3-wounded-at-northern-arizona-university-during-fight

The 911 calls made by residents of Mountain View Hall dormitory after four people were shot have been released.
"There's a guy outside and he's shooting people," a 911 caller said. "He's yelling right now. There's people on the ground."

 

[SophieRose]

From the local Flagstaff paper
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/p-...cle_c6e25ede-6ebe-11e5-8cd8-eb0d118d5691.html

The weapon has been identified as a .40 caliber handgun. None of the other young men appear to have been armed. Barker also said blood evidence suggests the vehicle was a “substantial distance” away from where the victims were shot.

“I just want to be clear that there is no indication of self-defense here,” Barker continued. “The defendant had retreated from the fight; he obtained a gun and then went back into the fray. It was at that point that he began firing at the victims.”

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[The victim] Brough was from Castle Rock, Colorado, about 30 miles south of downtown Denver. Randy Barber, a spokesman for Douglas County Schools, confirmed that Brough graduated from Castle View High School in 2013.

 

[arizona sunshine]

I live in Flagstaff.

The word is similar to what we can read in the news.

There was a large party, that got out of hand.

Students are not allowed to carry on the campus but you are allowed to keep your weapon in your car.

 

[arizona sunshine]

I Just want to add. I have lived for lengthy periods in 3 different countries, many different cities within each country, all things considered Arizona is one of the safest places I have lived. I feel it is a privilege to bring up my daughter here. I am not american, but I would be proud to be called one. I saw more violence in my teenage years growing up in the UK than I have in any other place I have lived since.

 

[SophieRose]

https://www.graphiq.com/wlp/hZo2wuBXA3z

Gun Laws by State

Looks like California has the strictest laws and Arizona has the most lenient.

 

[bluesneakers]

I Just want to add. I have lived for lengthy periods in 3 different countries, many different cities within each country, all things considered Arizona is one of the safest places I have lived. I feel it is a privilege to bring up my daughter here. I am not american, but I would be proud to be called one. I saw more violence in my teenage years growing up in the UK than I have in any other place I have lived since.

U.S. Crime Index State Rank

Arizona (The Arizona crime rate is higher than the national average crime rate):
Rank 9
Crime Index 2,065
Population 6,392,017
Arizona Crime by Year 2005-2013

And

Violent crimes 1 per 100,000 Population -- 2006 (via census bureau)

Arizona
Rate: 501
Rank: 16

 

[Elley Mae]

I Just want to add. I have lived for lengthy periods in 3 different countries, many different cities within each country, all things considered Arizona is one of the safest places I have lived. I feel it is a privilege to bring up my daughter here. I am not american, but I would be proud to be called one. I saw more violence in my teenage years growing up in the UK than I have in any other place I have lived since.

Thank you for being truthful. I have a friend that has visited the UK multiple times & she has said that it is not like it was the first time she went back in 2000, & also I friend who is a brit & he said it saddens him every time he returns to UK to visit family. jmo idk

 

[Sonya610]

Violent crimes 1 per 100,000 Population -- 2006 (via census bureau)

Arizona
Rate: 501
Rank: 16

Interesting link. DC is just plain LOL.

Perception regarding a state also depends heavily on what part you are in. I noticed TN is the second most dangerous in terms of violent crime however when I visited it seemed pretty nice, course I did not spend any time in major cities.

 

[human]

When I was in England for three weeks like 10 years ago, there was. not one murder London has a population of millions. Compare that to the US.

Of course I was a tourist, so a different view. The hotels were staffed by people from all over the world, mainly impoverished nations. Very excellent service.

My understanding from friends in AZ is that living in a gated community is the only way?

Durng the US bank meltdown, Canada, which has strict laws, did not have a disaster.

Canadians flocked to AZ to buy property at bargain basement prices. There were even signs saying, "Welcome Canadians." Same with Florida.

 

[Sonya610]

My understanding from friends in AZ is that living in a gated community is the only way?

I don't think that is the case at all! Lots of rural areas with ranches, some artsy/holistic type communities, resorts, etc... Vast expanses of empty desert, that really sticks out in my mind.

Though I am sure there are some very bad areas of larger cities and probably some downright scary small towns due to the illegal immigration problem.

 

[human]

I don't think that is the case at all! Lots of rural areas with ranches, some artsy/holistic type communities, resorts, etc... Vast expanses of empty desert, that really sticks out in my mind.

Though I am sure there are some very bad areas of larger cities and probably some downright scary small towns due to the illegal immigration problem.

My friend lived by Sedona in a gated community.

My daughter has a friend who lives in Phoenix in a gated community.

I know a woman who lives in Mesa in a gated community. Can't remember about the guy I know in Scottsdale. Maybe the whole place is gated.

The US has plenty of homegrown for generations criminals. Like DR who shot up the church recently, for instance.

 

[arizona sunshine]

My friend lived by Sedona in a gated community.

My daughter has a friend who lives in Phoenix in a gated community.

I know a woman who lives in Mesa in a gated community. Can't remember about the guy I know in Scottsdale. Maybe the whole place is gated.

The US has plenty of homegrown for generations criminals. Like DR who shot up the church recently, for instance.

Gated community necessary in Sedona lol is that in case the wealthy retired golfing community causes them to feel unsafe

 

[katydid23]

Gated community necessary in Sedona lol is that in case the wealthy retired golfing community causes them to feel unsafe

LOL. I have spent a lot of time visiting my retired brother in Sedona. I was never behind any gates. Never felt in any danger. It is a beautiful town and gorgeous area. Wonderful, kind and quirky people. I love it there.

ETA; crime rate is BELOW the national average
w.bestplaces.net/crime/city/arizona/sedona

 

[bluesneakers]

LOL. I have spent a lot of time visiting my retired brother in Sedona. I was never behind any gates. Never felt in any danger. It is a beautiful town and gorgeous area. Wonderful, kind and quirky people. I love it there.

ETA; crime rate is BELOW the national average
w.bestplaces.net/crime/city/arizona/sedona

The rate in Sedona, according to your link, is lower than the national average, but not by much:

Sedona, Arizona, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 100, is 39. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 41.4.

Worst Large Cities for Crime (>500,000 pop.)

1. Tucson, AZ
Tucson has one of the highest property crime rates in the country, especially larceny.
On the bright side, Tucson has a low murder rate.

4. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ
Phoenix-Mesa has one of the highest rates of auto theft in the nation.

http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime1.aspx

I think feeling safe is part perception (feeling safe =/= being safe) and part a result of someone's location. For instance despite the high crime rate in Phoenix people who live in measurably safer locations might feel safer than people living in areas with higher crime rates, but that doesn't change the city's ranking or overall safety.

JMO but I imagine students at NAU are not feeling particularly safe right now. One isolated incident probably doesn't change how safe or unsafe they are, but again I don't think feelings and perception are always based on statistics or likelihood of being a victim of crime.

 

[wendybtn]

This is crazy, what is going on?
Young people should be excited, perhaps nervous but proud, to attend university, but now, it seems students need bullet-proof vests and pepper spray, instead of new shoes to start school ! imo.

My guess would be it had more to do with mind-altering substances,being out late, and immaturity than any academic pride.

 

[katydid23]

The rate in Sedona, according to your link, is lower than the national average, but not by much:

Sedona, Arizona, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 100, is 39. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 41.4.

Worst Large Cities for Crime (>500,000 pop.)

1. Tucson, AZ
Tucson has one of the highest property crime rates in the country, especially larceny.
On the bright side, Tucson has a low murder rate.

4. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ
Phoenix-Mesa has one of the highest rates of auto theft in the nation.

http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime1.aspx

I think feeling safe is part perception (feeling safe =/= being safe) and part a result of someone's location. For instance despite the high crime rate in Phoenix people who live in measurably safer locations might feel safer than people living in areas with higher crime rates, but that doesn't change the city's ranking or overall safety.

JMO but I imagine students at NAU are not feeling particularly safe right now. One isolated incident probably doesn't change how safe or unsafe they are, but again I don't think feelings and perception are always based on statistics or likelihood of being a victim of crime.

I was responding to a post which stated that everyone seemed to live behind gates in Arizona. I was saying that did not seem to be true, from my experiences there.

I do not think a high larceny rate or auto theft rate would make people feel unsafe. JMO

As for this shooting, a bunch of students went to a big party, got drunk, got in a big brawl and one of them pulled out a gun. I think that is tragic but not something that will make everyone in Arizona feel unsafe. JMO

 

[Sonya610]

My friend lived by Sedona in a gated community.

My daughter has a friend who lives in Phoenix in a gated community.

I know a woman who lives in Mesa in a gated community. Can't remember about the guy I know in Scottsdale. Maybe the whole place is gated.

It is quite possible that gated communities are common not due to crime but for amenities.

Gated communities often have pools, club houses, tennis courts, even golf courses etc.... AZ attracts a lot of retirees with money so those types of communities would probably be very popular.

 

[Sonya610]

First victim goes to candle light vigil...

Nicholas Prato suffered a gunshot wound to his neck in the early Friday shooting but was released by the afternoon.

"It completely went through his neck. If it was a quarter inch to the left, it would have hit his carotid artery," Kimberly Prato said.

The other two victims, Kyle Zientek and Nicholas Piring, remain hospitalized. NAU spokeswoman Janea Laudick said the victims' families requested privacy and that no additional information be released.

"Nicholas felt a very strong urge to pay tribute to his best friend and to be with his brothers," Prato said. "He got up and dressed himself and was really adamant about not missing the vigil. He emotionally needed to do that."

Also...

The city of 70,000 people has a reputation for being a safe place and typically records only one murder per year.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/1...campus-shooting-out-hospital-suspect-charged/

 

[Hatfield]

From the local Flagstaff paper
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/p-...cle_c6e25ede-6ebe-11e5-8cd8-eb0d118d5691.html

The weapon has been identified as a .40 caliber handgun. None of the other young men appear to have been armed. Barker also said blood evidence suggests the vehicle was a “substantial distance” away from where the victims were shot.

“I just want to be clear that there is no indication of self-defense here,” Barker continued. “The defendant had retreated from the fight; he obtained a gun and then went back into the fray. It was at that point that he began firing at the victims.”
snip

[The victim] Brough was from Castle Rock, Colorado, about 30 miles south of downtown Denver. Randy Barber, a spokesman for Douglas County Schools, confirmed that Brough graduated from Castle View High School in 2013.

Re BBM
It sounds to me that the person had left the fight and went and got a gun and came back for revenge. He could have called 911 LE to help break up the fight.

If its true he left then he cannot claim self defense because he chose to go back in and confront them again.

I suspect his buddies were still fighting and he thought he would be the hero and help them "win".

Even if his buddies were getting beat up then he should have called 911 for help. He cannot just come back into the fight with a gun and start shooting.
I don't think any self defense claims are going to work in this case.