AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[mlhenn]

Opinion: Case of geologist Daniel Cornelius Robinson

Opinion piece by Daniel’s father published on the West Valley View.

 

[TammyinVA]

I've been reading about a missing person last year that reminds me of Daniel. Jessica Goodwin near Phoenix called off work and left her dogs alone...wasn't able to be reached. Her car was found abandoned but with minor damage near a wash. LE said it was suspicious. Phone records tracked her to Gila River Indian Reservation where she was found 6 days after her disappearance dehydrated in a field. She was at least 10 miles from where her car was abandoned

She surived but was hospitalized. Police gave no other details I can find other than saying in Sept no crime occurred.

I couldn't find anything from family other than right afterwards in which they didn't know anything on why she was out there.

I suspect by the silence it was a mental health issue. Unless something else became public.

 

[shiraz]

Any updates. Is it still thought that Daniel could be with the homeless community?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

However, he insisted that "the human remains is not Daniel" adding that hopefully the discovery will help "bring some closure to another grieving family."

"I will continue the search for my son," he wrote.
Bones found in search for Daniel Robinson whose missing case was compared to Gabby Petito - but family says it's NOT him - Big World Tale

Daniel Robinson. (Courtesy of the Robinson family)
The Buckeye Police Department said Daniel’s case remains an open and active investigation and that every sighting or tip it receives is being followed up on. However, Robinson said he feels frustrated by the lack of urgency and motivation by authorities in finding his son.

“They wouldn’t even send something as simple as a helicopter to find a young man out there in the desert, who’s never been out there before, in that area,” he said

As time goes by, Robinson said the odds of finding his son grow smaller, but he is committed to finding Daniel no matter how long that takes.

“I’m here for you, son, I’m not giving up, I’m going to keep fighting. I know you’re out there, you’re worth it. And if nobody cares, I care. And I’m going to do everything I can to find you,” he said.
7 months after disappearance, family of missing geologist still clinging to hope

 

[mlhenn]

7 months after disappearance, family of missing geologist still clinging to hope

To Note:
With the help of volunteers, David is now expanding his search efforts into several Valley cities.

In the case my son somehow did escape that desert out there with a head injury or anything, it's a possibility that he could be part of a homeless population.

But then (in the same interview) his father shares the following:

It changed from being a rescue mission to a recovery. And that's the thing that's very hard to swallow.

….
It’s a sad situation any way you look at it IMO. I hope there are answers soon.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

The supplemental police report says Daniels shoes were not tied. Later it says boots were found-not shoes. I am not sure how he tied laces, but I certainly cannot do it with one hand, so untied does not seem an odd detail. However, the boots found may not be the shoes he wore that day.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

It is weird that the report lists dates for Katelyns texts but stop after 6/17 and switch to “Saturday” …Sunday..etc. She invites him in on 6/12 and they text each other on 6/13 at 2:29am. Daniel tells his buddy Antonio on 6/16 (17 min call) that he hooked up with Katelyn.
Daniel accidentally left a canopy there. Strange bc you don’t need shade at night. That week we had record heat. She says pick it up “whenever” but then chastises him for showing up. Daniel frequently apologizes or acquiesces by text. There had to be convos in between the messaging.
Wondering if Katelyn was seeing someone —the detective did not ask, or it was omitted.
She says Daniel was creepy and that she didn’t do anything to instigate it. So inviting the instacart delivery guy into your home, during a pandemic, and his canopy makes its way into your garage, yet you didn’t instigate anything? For me this is a red flag.
Question: was Katelyn seeing someone else? Is there a possibility that someone else wanted Daniel out of the picture?

 

[TammyinVA]

It is weird that the report lists dates for Katelyns texts but stop after 6/17 and switch to “Saturday” …Sunday..etc. She invites him in on 6/12 and they text each other on 6/13 at 2:29am. Daniel tells his buddy Antonio on 6/16 (17 min call) that he hooked up with Katelyn.

As I recall per the police report, Antonio said he told him he hooked up with one of the girls. Not Katelyn specifically. Doesn't make it true, especially with what he told other people.

Daniel accidentally left a canopy there. Strange bc you don’t need shade at night. That week we had record heat.

Others have mentioned in this thread that an Instacart canopy for food for pandemic use was being referenced.

She says pick it up “whenever” but then chastises him for showing up. Daniel frequently apologizes or acquiesces by text. There had to be convos in between the messaging.

There may have been convos in between, but that doesn't change that his behavior was concerning and stalkerish. He showed up repeatedly without telling her in advance. He easily could have texted her he was going to stop by at this time on that day. It's disturbing he didn't and continued to do so after she told him not to again. Period. He apologizes then does it again. That kind of behavior is not ok.

Wondering if Katelyn was seeing someone —the detective did not ask, or it was omitted.

Why would that be relevant? She wasn't dating Daniel. He barely knew her.

She says Daniel was creepy and that she didn’t do anything to instigate it. So inviting the instacart delivery guy into your home, during a pandemic, and his canopy makes its way into your garage, yet you didn’t instigate anything? For me this is a red flag.

The red flag is he was working and was hired to simply deliver alcohol through Instacart and went inside the house of an inebriated woman he didn't know. It doesn't matter if she invited him in, he should have declined. She admittedly had poor judgement due to inebriation. I don't know about AZ, but where I live any hooking up would be considered rape b/c she wouldn't be able to consent under the influence. I hope he didn't take advantage of her. I seriously doubt anything happened though, other than while inebriated she was overly friendly by inviting him in as she said she didn't think he was a threat. Daniel and Katelyn also texted each other at 6/13 at 2:29 a.m. when she sent him the podcast link, and he wrote "Hey." He likely had already left. Sharing a podcast link and him saying "Hey" certainly doesn't sound like they just hooked up. Her texts at the most are polite and the ones before he disappeared show her increased level of feeling uncomfortable. Sadly, mental illness can cause a guy to perceive there is something more than there is.

Question: was Katelyn seeing someone else? Is there a possibility that someone else wanted Daniel out of the picture?

Why would anyone seeing Katelyn want Daniel out of the picture? They weren't dating. He was simply fixated on her.

 

[TammyinVA]

The supplemental police report says Daniels shoes were not tied. Later it says boots were found-not shoes. I am not sure how he tied laces, but I certainly cannot do it with one hand, so untied does not seem an odd detail. However, the boots found may not be the shoes he wore that day.

From what I've heard about Daniel he did almost everything that people with 2 hands can do. Photos show him with tied shoes/boots. I imagine it stood out to Ken at the well, as for worker safety shoes/boots are to be tied.

 

[TammyinVA]

Bones found in search for Daniel Robinson whose missing case was compared to Gabby Petito - but family says it's NOT him - Big World Tale
However, Robinson said he feels frustrated by the lack of urgency and motivation by authorities in finding his son.

“They wouldn’t even send something as simple as a helicopter to find a young man out there in the desert, who’s never been out there before, in that area,” he said

That's not true. His father knows a helicopter search was done. IIRC LE couldn't get permission for a helicopter search the next day, possibly due to the high temperature. A helicopter search was done the day after that, although possibly at night. It's referenced in the police report.

Not being familiar with the desert, I used to think objects or people would be easy to spot from the air in the open desert until I looked at aerial images...all that brush and ragged terrain makes it hard to see.

 

[TammyinVA]

7 months after disappearance, family of missing geologist still clinging to hope

In the case my son somehow did escape that desert out there with a head injury or anything, it's a possibility that he could be part of a homeless population.

But then (in the same interview) his father shares the following:

It changed from being a rescue mission to a recovery. And that's the thing that's very hard to swallow.

That article is all over the place. In the beginning it also states "And police say that foul play is not suspected, but Daniel's family says otherwise."

 

[Laughing]

The supplemental police report says Daniels shoes were not tied. Later it says boots were found-not shoes. I am not sure how he tied laces, but I certainly cannot do it with one hand, so untied does not seem an odd detail. However, the boots found may not be the shoes he wore that day.

If you practice with one hand or the other, you'll be able to tie shoes with one hand.

If you were born with one hand, you'd be able to tie shoes, open milk cartons, zip jackets, catch and bat on a ball diamond, play musical instruments, change car brake pads, anything you put your mind to. Earn that engineering degree, too.

Might need support from a good occupational therapist.

Mr. Robinson's family do not seem the sort to coddle him.

Mom of a Shriner's Hospital family. I've seen that coddling sort.

Daniel Robinson may have chosen to leave his shoes untied, but he certainly could tie his own shoes if that was his choice.

jmMomo ymmv lrr

 

[JJ Ray]

The supplemental police report says Daniels shoes were not tied. Later it says boots were found-not shoes. I am not sure how he tied laces, but I certainly cannot do it with one hand, so untied does not seem an odd detail. However, the boots found may not be the shoes he wore that day.

They are the boots he wore and they were untied. Upthread its commented upon per your observation. Also PI thinks he might have been trying to nap after a all-night gaming binge. There is missing time BEFORE meeting Ken Elliot as well as after. So maybe a quick nap with loosened boots, belt, etc.??

Also pants inside out IMO are the common way Daniel would take off pants (mostly stepping out of each leg after kicking off shoes/boots). If endangered or "foul play" the pants IMO opinion would be pulled from the ankle end down the legs and therefore be laid out inside-inside.

 

[JJ Ray]

If you practice with one hand or the other, you'll be able to tie shoes with one hand.

If you were born with one hand, you'd be able to tie shoes, open milk cartons, zip jackets, catch and bat on a ball diamond, play musical instruments, change car brake pads, anything you put your mind to. Earn that engineering degree, too.

Might need support from a good occupational therapist.

Mr. Robinson's family do not seem the sort to coddle him.

Mom of a Shriner's Hospital family. I've seen that coddling sort.

Daniel Robinson may have chosen to leave his shoes untied, but he certainly could tie his own shoes if that was his choice.

jmMomo ymmv lrr

Agreed, he "could" do those things except "would" he do those things in the course of an active everyday life. He's 24 and living out on his own...would he leave milk open in frig? would he partially tie shoes or some other convenience?

The coddling may have been inadvertent by the two older twin sisters and even older brother when Daniel was very young.

I don't believe much of what David says anymore after my experiences and reading all the conflicting information out there in MSM. I have discussed my concerns and other facts with administrators and this is the extent of my comment.

All IMOO....

 

[JJ Ray]

That article is all over the place. In the beginning it also states "And police say that foul play is not suspected, but Daniel's family says otherwise."

Same old, same old...
I just wish David had taken me up on my offer of working the "he got out of the desert" angle the 3rd week of July when I offered. And didn't create such confusion with the introduction of a PI that clearly feed the endangered notion whether planned or inadvertent through poor analysis.

 

[JJ Ray]

It is weird that the report lists dates for Katelyns texts but stop after 6/17 and switch to “Saturday” …Sunday..etc. She invites him in on 6/12 and they text each other on 6/13 at 2:29am. Daniel tells his buddy Antonio on 6/16 (17 min call) that he hooked up with Katelyn.
Daniel accidentally left a canopy there. Strange bc you don’t need shade at night. That week we had record heat. She says pick it up “whenever” but then chastises him for showing up. Daniel frequently apologizes or acquiesces by text. There had to be convos in between the messaging.
Wondering if Katelyn was seeing someone —the detective did not ask, or it was omitted.
She says Daniel was creepy and that she didn’t do anything to instigate it. So inviting the instacart delivery guy into your home, during a pandemic, and his canopy makes its way into your garage, yet you didn’t instigate anything? For me this is a red flag.
Question: was Katelyn seeing someone else? Is there a possibility that someone else wanted Daniel out of the picture?

Many here wondered early on about this angle when info was scarce. We can only assume that Buckeye did a check of Katelyn. I don't believe I have ever seen any indication of her being in a relationship in MSM (and including a scan of other sources...I'm skirting the rules here).
Read further in the Report to start understanding various mental health episodes that his sister, father, and co-workers were noting in the days prior. There is no track evidence of another vehicle at crash scene IMO.

 

[PotterHead]

IMO, based on the available information, l don't think there's foul play involved in this case. Daniel was exhibiting some unusual (for him) behaviour in the lead up. This may have been triggered or exacerbated by his fixation on the girl he met and her rejection. The fact that her last text to him was just a day or so before he disappeared, asking him to stop contacting her, is relevant to his state of mind.
Based on what he told his colleague about not being able to have the girl he loves, I think he felt the rejection very deeply. It would be good to know what his previous experience with girls was. I suspect he has faced rejection by people who could not see past his missing arm. And this latest one might have made him feel that even with his great job and his education, he was still slighted. This may have caused or contributed to destabilising his mental health. He drives off onto the desert rationally to blow off some steam or irrationally due to some mental health related reason. Crashes and is confused and walks off, later succumbing to the elements. It’s such a big space, so many bushes he could be under, or mine shafts. It’s really sad but I find it far fetched for anyone else to have been involved…

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

The aerial photo (posted Oct 14 2021) from Buckeye PD website shows Daniel’s jeep and to the left if you zoom in it looks like there are two people standing together. Temperature July 21st was 106. Are they LE? Where is their vehicle if so? Maybe it’s something else?

 

[Evilxelvis138]

The aerial photo (posted Oct 14 2021) from Buckeye PD website shows Daniel’s jeep and to the left if you zoom in it looks like there are two people standing together. Temperature July 21st was 106. Are they LE? Where is their vehicle if so? Maybe it’s something else?

The image doesn’t show up for me

 

[mlhenn]

The aerial photo (posted Oct 14 2021) from Buckeye PD website shows Daniel’s jeep and to the left if you zoom in it looks like there are two people standing together. Temperature July 21st was 106. Are they LE? Where is their vehicle if so? Maybe it’s something else?

Would you happen to have a link to this particular photo? I’m unable to view it on your post.