AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

  • #161
I am curious if the cc he used at Gas station was in the wallet. He had a basketball that was recovered so I am fixated on the idea that he was in shoes not boots, as the geologist described; and the clothing at the accident site could have been “yesterday’s” clothes. Maybe he changed out of them to play some ball and forgot where his wallet was the next morning when he needed gas. If the cc is in the wallet then it is definitive that those are the jeans he had on. But if not, then it is possible that the boots and clothes at the site were not what he had on that day-they were just in the jeep.
The clothes at the crash site where the clothes he had on that morning at the work well site. The credit car in wallet point is lost on me. It was work pants by the way not "jeans".

IMO the real question should be reversed. Did he have extra clothes in the Jeep that he changed into after the wreck? The basketball and co-workers indicated some pick up games after work. I always had shorts and tennis shoes and tees in those cases. In addition, many field workers have changes of clothes when going back into the office for meetings, lunches, etc.
 
  • #162
@Angleterre
Attached is a photo I took on Aug. 2, 2021 showing the exact same tree from roughly the same angle. I am providing a link into google drive to maintain the Resolution I shoot with (Sony a6000 24 mpg image size but this has been cropped) Uploaded files like you are working with are limited in size by the output source (Buckeye) but also by WebSleuths to save server space. That's why it gets pixilated so fast.

Ravine S slope tree.jpg
 
  • #163
The jeep is in the photo @5W’s the red line points to it and the blue circle is the presumed 2 x people
I know but that's what make s me question the date. I would like to know what date it was taken because I agree it looks like two people.
It was taken July 19, 2021....see my other comment.
Thank you JJ Ray.
 
  • #164
The jeep is in the photo @“5W’s - the red line points to it and the blue circle is the presumed 2 x people

I’m not sure if I am understanding you correctly so forgive me if I’m not but see attached from Buckeye PD report
The jeep is in the photo @“5W’s - the red line points to it and the blue circle is the presumed 2 x people

I’m not sure if I am understanding you correctly so forgive me if I’m not but see attached from Buckeye PD report
I was just curious as to why Eyerish Eyes speculates DR may have been wearing shoes & not work boots. I'm not sure how my post was answered by you, it was directed to Eyerish Eyes. If its my error forgive me. But I agree that they look like two people of the circled area in the photo next to the Jeep.
 
  • #165
For what purpose? You can't ID a person on the ground or maybe not even another vehicle. Video resolution is uniformly low and not at all like at a stop light or freeway toll booth. The only video that would exist is on June 25 (Phx Firebird), some drone footage which is useless with the shrubbery and Mesquite tee growth, and then Civil Air Patrol on the 9th of July.
I agree about the quality of the images. At the same time as LE themselves have stated that the Jeep blended in. But Eyerish Eyes noticed two specks on the ground which IMO is great visual observation skills. As you have mentioned in another post the photo was taken July 19 so it probably was the investigators. Something like that is observed even though they look like specks they are the investigators at that point & they are being captured on footage. So IMO if possibly LE had captured the blended in Jeep on June 24, 25, (when possible footage was taken) then they may have captured other things at the crash site. And please I'm not at all being critical of LE here, because they are doing what they are mandated to do. LE did fly over the area shorly after DR was reported missing. The rancher found the vehicle almost a month after so I'm just saying that perhaps its a good idea to look at the footage again even a couple of times and nothing will change my opinion on that. Two specks on the ground could be something or not. The point is Eyerish Eyes observed what they did because the two specks stood out so why could that not be applied to before the vehicle was actually found. MOO.
 
  • #166
See upthread for entire discussion. Daniel is born without a right hand. And while I'm sure he could tie his shoes it would be a hassle. Keeping them loosely tied to remove quickly would be the way I would go. Co-workers indicate it was common. Also that day there is a theory he was very tired from late night gaming session and perhaps he was trying to go off to nap. I believe most people at least loosen up there shoes to nap. Gap in time for nap prior to meeting Kevin as well as after leaving work site.
On Youtube there are many videos of one handed people tying their laces. As I thought all along Daniel could do this despite being one handed it wasn't an issue for him to tie them. So in saying that the reason he may not have tied them that morning was because perhaps he was tired possibly very tired.
 
  • #167
I don't remember now when he arrived and left at the other work site that morning. I wonder if he knew no one was working there and decided to go and take a nap. IIRC he was there for some time before going to work with Kenneth. Actually I believe I found it curious as to why he would do that. Now that I speculate its possible he went to take a nap because he was tired.
 
  • #168
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@Angleterre
Attached is a photo I took on Aug. 2, 2021 showing the exact same tree from roughly the same angle. I am providing a link into google drive to maintain the Resolution I shoot with (Sony a6000 24 mpg image size but this has been cropped) Uploaded files like you are working with are limited in size by the output source (Buckeye) but also by WebSleuths to save server space. That's why it gets pixilated so fast.

Ravine S slope tree.jpg
Well I apologise for seeing something in the image that I thought was possibly there
However you have clearly pointed out that it isn’t the case so I will ask for my comment to be removed by reporting it myself
 
  • #169
The clothes at the crash site where the clothes he had on that morning at the work well site. The credit car in wallet point is lost on me. It was work pants by the way not "jeans".

IMO the real question should be reversed. Did he have extra clothes in the Jeep that he changed into after the wreck? The basketball and co-workers indicated some pick up games after work. I always had shorts and tennis shoes and tees in those cases. In addition, many field workers have changes of clothes when going back into the office for meetings, lunches, etc.

Will you describe “work pants” please?

The cc purchase at 7am in Verrado for gas tells us he put a gallon in the tank. That wasn’t enough to get him very far. If his wallet was on him it seems he would have tried another card. But if he couldn’t find his wallet bc it was in the jeans that he was not wearing, (and maybe couldn’t locate) he wouldn’t have the option of trying to put more gas in the tank with his other cards. The DR states jeans twice in the recovery supplement.
 
  • #170
I was just curious as to why Eyerish Eyes speculates DR may have been wearing shoes & not work boots. I'm not sure how my post was answered by you, it was directed to Eyerish Eyes. If its my error forgive me. But I agree that they look like two people of the circled area in the photo next to the Jeep.

dR pg 23- co-worker says shoes were not tied. It is possible LE misinterpreted. Shoes and boots are not synonymous IMO.
 
  • #171
I agree about the quality of the images. At the same time as LE themselves have stated that the Jeep blended in. But Eyerish Eyes noticed two specks on the ground which IMO is great visual observation skills. As you have mentioned in another post the photo was taken July 19 so it probably was the investigators. Something like that is observed even though they look like specks they are the investigators at that point & they are being captured on footage. So IMO if possibly LE had captured the blended in Jeep on June 24, 25, (when possible footage was taken) then they may have captured other things at the crash site. And please I'm not at all being critical of LE here, because they are doing what they are mandated to do. LE did fly over the area shorly after DR was reported missing. The rancher found the vehicle almost a month after so I'm just saying that perhaps its a good idea to look at the footage again even a couple of times and nothing will change my opinion on that. Two specks on the ground could be something or not. The point is Eyerish Eyes observed what they did because the two specks stood out so why could that not be applied to before the vehicle was actually found. MOO.
Oh I understand...I sometimes am too blunt. I was just trying to point out that it was unlikely he was alive on July 9th civil air patrol and more than likely under a mesquite or shrub trying to avoid exposure. The Mesquites are very overgrown and dense. Now if maybe David could get the footage from the Phoenix helicopter from June 25th flyover, that may prove more fruitful in getting a bearing on which direction he might have gone.
Last but not least there is always the 5% chance he did get out and simply wants nothing to do with his old life.
 
  • #172
dR pg 23- co-worker says shoes were not tied. It is possible LE misinterpreted. Shoes and boots are not synonymous IMO.
He had on his work boots according to Kevin (in conversations in MSM). I think you right shoes was just a misinterpretation. Again, the main thing is did he have shoes he put on after the wreck that he thought more comfortable? or none at all. A rationale person that knows the desert would stay with the work boots to walk out of there.
 
  • #173
Will you describe “work pants” please?

The cc purchase at 7am in Verrado for gas tells us he put a gallon in the tank. That wasn’t enough to get him very far. If his wallet was on him it seems he would have tried another card. But if he couldn’t find his wallet bc it was in the jeans that he was not wearing, (and maybe couldn’t locate) he wouldn’t have the option of trying to put more gas in the tank with his other cards. The DR states jeans twice in the recovery supplement.

Opps my bad....they are still inside out in this photo. More than likely jeans as accurately described in DR. I remember in original accounts in MSM they just kept saying work pants and I thought they were Khakis when I saw this photo. Here's a pic of his work pants/Jeans. One and the same. Sorry to confuse you. By all accounts everything in the attached photos (taken as screen grabs from a video) are what he was wearing all day up until crash when he discarded.

Still unknown as to whether a change was available in the car and/or different shoes than his work boots.
 

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  • #174
I don't remember now when he arrived and left at the other work site that morning. I wonder if he knew no one was working there and decided to go and take a nap. IIRC he was there for some time before going to work with Kenneth. Actually I believe I found it curious as to why he would do that. Now that I speculate its possible he went to take a nap because he was tired.
My timeline has him only staying about 15 minutes so there is ample free time. Others (on Twitter) think he didn't leave till almost 8. Here is my timeline an estimates of the missing time.

Driving Distances1
 
  • #175
dR pg 23- co-worker says shoes were not tied. It is possible LE misinterpreted. Shoes and boots are not synonymous IMO.
Thanks got it now. I can see how that may have been interpreted.
 
  • #176
Oh I understand...I sometimes am too blunt. I was just trying to point out that it was unlikely he was alive on July 9th civil air patrol and more than likely under a mesquite or shrub trying to avoid exposure. The Mesquites are very overgrown and dense. Now if maybe David could get the footage from the Phoenix helicopter from June 25th flyover, that may prove more fruitful in getting a bearing on which direction he might have gone.
Last but not least there is always the 5% chance he did get out and simply wants nothing to do with his old life.
Yes that's one thing that came to my mind just as you have mentioned here was about the direction. As I don't think he died right away sadly.
 
  • #177
My timeline has him only staying about 15 minutes so there is ample free time. Others (on Twitter) think he didn't leave till almost 8. Here is my timeline an estimates of the missing time.

Driving Distances1
So he texted Kenneth at 8:35? Is that known for certain? Well if that's the case then Daniel may have been trying to force himself to stay awake. Its just my opinion but I wonder if he came so early to the area was because he felt if he stops being alert and agile then he may fall asleep?
 
  • #178
He had on his work boots according to Kevin (in conversations in MSM). I think you right shoes was just a misinterpretation. Again, the main thing is did he have shoes he put on after the wreck that he thought more comfortable? or none at all. A rationale person that knows the desert would stay with the work boots to walk out of there.

I am trying to find a way to word this post as sensitively as possible so as not to incur backlash @JJ Ray
The way in which the Bookeye PD report reads and from what I have picked up on from you and others observations on this thread- Daniel appeared to have some social relationship difficulties as evidenced by the scenario of being in love after his delivery at a residence and being invited into the residence by a group of girls who thought him to be cute and whom he fell in love with the homeowner of this residence which wasn’t reciprocated ( allegedly).

Now I am NOT personalising this to DR.
I am generalising as to behavioural traits that may or may not fall on the spectrum .

Has it been / or could it be alluded to at all about these types of social communication issues being related to ( just for example) Aspergers ? Or wether it could be described as being potentially on the spectrum?

I ask this because I was privy to an exchange whereby a Senior lead clinician in a Mental Health hospital was discussing a close relative of mine and their exhibited behaviour and stated that this relative was exhibiting classic behavioural traits of adult ( not previously disclosed) ADHD and being on the spectrum and amongst other descriptive details of what those behaviours entailed, specifically zoned in on the failure to wear shoes irrespective of the terrain . ( This sounds very basic the way in which I generalise but I cannot give a more detailed account because of confidentiality). The relative of course did wear shoes when it was mandated but the moment that they were not mandated to do so, would discard the shoes, even when walking through wooded or Sandy areas and paths that were littered with potentially dangerous obstacles for eg smashed glass etc
So I am asking a generalised question here and do not wish to discuss Daniels medical background AT ALL.
My post is to point out a behavioural trait that was pointed out to me about my relative and was about not wearing shoes unless absolutely necessary.
So my thinking is around the concern of DR potentially not wearing shoes when he walked away from the crash site - although I accept the potentially life threatening heat situation in that part of the world, it just may be that it was a behavioural trait that although wouldn’t be something a large number of us would feel comfortable with, maybe just maybe, he didn’t wear shoes when walking away .
So your question as BBM below asks :

Again, the main thing is did he have shoes he put on after the wreck that he thought more comfortable? or none at all. A rationale person that knows the desert would stay with the work boots to walk out of there

Could this theory appertain to your question and your rationale about a person who knows the desert would stay with work boots to walk out of there ?

It’s an interesting theory and certainly a different way to look at this situation.
By the way I’m not medical in profession so I’m sure that there are WS members who are much more knowledgeable about this and may question my knowledge- I only go by what I was told by the clinician who was in charge of this facility that I attended. Nothing more. All MOO/ JMOO
 
  • #179
I am trying to find a way to word this post as sensitively as possible so as not to incur backlash @JJ Ray
The way in which the Bookeye PD report reads and from what I have picked up on from you and others observations on this thread- Daniel appeared to have some social relationship difficulties as evidenced by the scenario of being in love after his delivery at a residence and being invited into the residence by a group of girls who thought him to be cute and whom he fell in love with the homeowner of this residence which wasn’t reciprocated ( allegedly).

IMHO his behaviour pointed more towards an underlying mental issue combined with the effects of habitual marijuana use and possibly COVID isolation. If he had any level of autism, I've never heard it mentioned. His father, in particular, has repeatedly stated he had no medical conditions.

So my thinking is around the concern of DR potentially not wearing shoes when he walked away from the crash site - although I accept the potentially life threatening heat situation in that part of the world, it just may be that it was a behavioural trait that although wouldn’t be something a large number of us would feel comfortable with, maybe just maybe, he didn’t wear shoes when walking away .

In all the photos posted of him I haven't seen any where he didn't have shoes or boots on. These photos included him outside and relaxed. IMHO if he walked away rationally, then he had a change of clothes. That likely would have included a change of shoes. If he was irrational, then it's no stretch to think he wouldn't wear shoes if he was naked.
 
  • #180
IMHO his behaviour pointed more towards an underlying mental issue combined with the effects of habitual marijuana use and possibly COVID isolation. If he had any level of autism, I've never heard it mentioned. His father, in particular, has repeatedly stated he had no medical conditions.



In all the photos posted of him I haven't seen any where he didn't have shoes or boots on. These photos included him outside and relaxed. IMHO if he walked away rationally, then he had a change of clothes. That likely would have included a change of shoes. If he was irrational, then it's no stretch to think he wouldn't wear shoes if he was naked.
I wasn’t aware of habitual marijuana use . I was aware he had partaken but wasn’t aware it was habitual. I am aware that there were disclosures about him becoming low in mood in the last few weeks prior which came from Daniel himself but Dad either wasn’t aware or doesn’t agree so I’m just not sure how much store we can put into anything. I just hope that he’s either found soon so the family can start a healing process or if he’s decided to make a new life for himself, that LE are made aware and can at least give family this information without disclosing location etc
But I don’t see this as a reality because he appears to be so close to his family and siblings. Where are you Daniel? prayers for you all.
 

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