AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[StillDiggin]

Daniel Robinson vanished 3 years ago. His father still hopes for his safe return - AZPM

news.azpm.org

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Father of missing geologist Daniel Robinson is running for Congress

David Robinson II, father of missing geologist Daniel Robinson, is running for Congress in the hopes of taking the case for his son - and thousands of missing people across the US - to the next level.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Skyblueday32]

I always am amazed how a person can completely disappear. In watching his story on ID, the apartment being in such a disarray, the behavior reported by the girl he met, him removing his social media presence, covid keeping fragile people isolated, and lastly the clothes scattered around the vehicle with his ID left behind, really indicate to me a mental health crisis. The dessert is vast, but if he did walk away from the vehicle I cannot imagine him making it more than 50 miles in each direction from where the vehicle was found. He knew the area from his job, did anyone check to see if there were wells drilled nearby? Maybe ones that were not viable for use?

 

[Sherlock1842]

There are nearly 100,000 undocumented and unused mines in Arizona, so it’s not crazy to think he possibly fell into one. Law enforcement and private investigators sent cameras down into a couple that were near his job site but didn’t find anything. I honestly don’t think it had anything to do with the girl, lots of guys in their early twenties take a chance on asking out a pretty girl more than once, especially if they’ve already hung out. The location and timing of finding his vehicle are strange.

His dad has a gofundme set up to keep searching and also to keep his truck and other evidence in storage it’s called “Please Help Find Daniel” please consider donating.

 

[Bluedreamer]

Mr. Robinson will have a hard time based on some past behavior that I would assume will be revealed by opponents. However, his best platform is universally needed on ALL missing persons regardless of age, gender, race and that is the immediate releasing of phone and social media accounts data to immediate family and the police. Once a report is actually received and opened by law enforcement, there should be no waiting for warrents/releases, etc. My understanding is an app that Daniel had on his phone stored ALL data on the apps servers and all reports come from their website. It took months to get that data which ultimately proved the wreck happened at 10:30 AM not at 1 PM. This lends more credence to the wreck happened whill it was still raining in the area. And that after the final resting place of the vehicle it continued to run until out of gas.

The vehicle couldn't have continued until it ran out of gas, the jeep's accident response system would have kicked in when the airbags deployed and shut the vehicle down. That's why it took so many attempts to start it again, 40+. Because he didn't know about the accident response system. He probably pulled the manual out and figured it out.

https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/servicemanuals/jeep/2017-renegade.pdf

 

[dotr]

https://www.buckeyeaz.gov/community/daniel-robinson-2070

July 19, 2021​

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• Daniel’s Jeep found in ravine less than three miles from job site
• Multi-agency search with ground and aerial resources
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• ''Anyone with information on the disappearance of Daniel Robinson is urged to call the Buckeye Police tip line at 623-349-6411 or submit a tip online where you may choose to remain anonymous.''
• Dateline's Missing in America podcast delves into disappearance of geologist Daniel Robinson in Buckeye, Arizona

 

[Bluedreamer]

https://www.buckeyeaz.gov/community/daniel-robinson-2070

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July 19, 2021​

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• Daniel’s Jeep found in ravine less than three miles from job site
• Multi-agency search with ground and aerial resources
• 
  
• ''Anyone with information on the disappearance of Daniel Robinson is urged to call the Buckeye Police tip line at 623-349-6411 or submit a tip online where you may choose to remain anonymous.''
• Dateline's Missing in America podcast delves into disappearance of geologist Daniel Robinson in Buckeye, Arizona

It was less than 3 miles away? In the desert? How did the search teams miss it?

 

[jlosu]

If Daniel perished in the desert, perhaps from dehydration, is it guaranteed that there would still be remains? I don't know what scavenging animals are around there and how they might disturb or destroy human remains.

 

[Aurora90]

If Daniel perished in the desert, perhaps from dehydration, is it guaranteed that there would still be remains? I don't know what scavenging animals are around there and how they might disturb or destroy human remains.

I can’t say for certain, but in my opinion, I believe there would still definitely be bones and teeth and a skull. I think those are the things that even scavenger-type animals would leave behind.

Not meaning to get too graphic but to answer your question I think there would definitely be some sort of evidence that he was found and in that area.

 

[sunflowermomma]

I'm sure it's been mentioned here before but Daniel's case reminds me so much of the other young gentleman - this one in Texas - who is missing whose car was found with clothing outside of it in the same way.

 

[Skyblueday32]

I feel maybe he is in a mine in the dessert. His job was privy to that information, mentioned above there are many of these abandoned mines. If his remains are not visible in the dessert after so any searches, i feel they could be concealed/hidden to public/searchers view. So terribly sad, praying his family finds some closure.

 

[Bluedreamer]

I feel maybe he is in a mine in the dessert. His job was privy to that information, mentioned above there are many of these abandoned mines. If his remains are not visible in the dessert after so any searches, i feel they could be concealed/hidden to public/searchers view. So terribly sad, praying his family finds some closure.

From what I've been reading, I'm new so forgive me, but some articles state that this was Daniel's first time at this particular area, he wouldn't know about any of those mines himself.

 

[Bluedreamer]

I don't know how many of you have heard this before, but i was reading the start of this thread and it seemed like a lot of the story hinged on the ranchers story changing from believing the Jeep wasn't in the ravine to outright saying it wasn't in the ravine at a later date. it seems like some people believed David made this up or something to that effect which I found strange.

If you go to David Robinson's you-tube channel he actually shares this recorded account at around the 34:30-

I grabbed the transcript of 2 things i found really weird, 1 being that whoever that rancher talked to told him not to tell David, which is extremely strange considering this is a missing person case right? Why would you instruct him not to tell anyone? It says David was notified on the 20th but the Jeep was found on the 19th? Does that mean they waited over 24 hours before telling David? Why?

The 2nd is that the rancher says the police told them they searched that area and he also said he is out there every single day if not every week, so it's likely David is telling the truth when he says the rancher says it wasn't there 2 days prior. The phone data doesn't actually prove Daniel's Jeep crashed there at around 10:30, just that his phone was there at that time. These revelations are very interesting.


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 When we found the jeep, I called Buckeye and they said, what's the license plate number? And I gave them my license plate number. That's the one we're looking for. I said, yeah, I know. I've seen it on the news. So I, uh, they said, okay, let us call you right back. Okay. They called me right back. A couple of minutes later, I talked to the detective and the detective said, yeah, that's the one we're looking for.

I said, okay. I said, well, I'm here. I said, there's no way for you to find me. Like, I can't give you directions that you're right. But I'll send my guy to the parkway and I'll meet you on the parkway. Great. Okay, I need you to do something for me. Could you not tell the media or his family or anyone that you found the jeep?

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So, when they tell me that, oh, we searched this area, we searched it, we searched it, we searched it, we didn't see it. Well, no, you probably didn't because it wasn't there. I'll bet you want to bet that thing was not there. So, how often are you in that area? Specifically? Every day. if not every week.

 

[Bluedreamer]

I isolated the audio for those 2 transcripts so they are easier to hear-

 

[mlhenn]

I'm sure it's been mentioned here before but Daniel's case reminds me so much of the other young gentleman - this one in Texas - who is missing whose car was found with clothing outside of it in the same way.

Jason Landry

 

[Bluedreamer]

I isolated the audio for those 2 transcripts so they are easier to hear-
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Adding onto this, I was able to find 2 police reports related to the case online, in the first one the ranchers statement about the Jeep not being there was completely missing from the report. In the 2nd one it was mentioned but it directly conflicts with the ranchers own recorded account to David. Anyone else have access to anymore reports? When was this detail added?

1st report- 2nd report-

 

[Bluedreamer]

I decided to enter both of these police reports into the upgraded version of CHAT GPT to see what other discrepancies i could find. Then I decided to ask it why the jeep had an additional 11 miles after the airbags deployed, this is what it said-

I then checked the data on the police report and it matches what CHAT GPT came up with, all of the infotainment logs are Jeep start times.


So this means Daniels jeep started 12:54pm and drove 11 miles, and it explains the discrepancy. Now according to that mile IQ data Daniel's phone was in the ravine at 10:30am. This would lead me to believe the jeep did crash around the ravine at 10:00-10:30am and then was restarted at 12:54pm and driven 11 miles, without Daniel's phone since the MILE IQ didn't record another trip.

Or maybe the APP was deleted off of Daniel's phone before he drove 11 miles? Why would Daniel drive back to the original scene of the crash and why would he delete this app?

Or maybe Daniel started the Jeep while it was in the ravine on its side and the tires spun for 11 miles, but then that doesn't really work because there would be marks of the tires ingrained in the ground showing it.

Or maybe Daniel started the jeep in the ravine after the first crash, then tried to get out of the ravine and ended up tipping on its side and spinning the tires, but that doesn't add up because there were zero tire tracks indicating the jeep tried to get out of the ravine.

I think the rancher might be right, the data shows the Jeep moved from the ravine at 12:54pm and drove 11 miles. Either it drove in a circle and ended up back at the ravine later that day, or it drove 11 miles away and was brought back later, staged.

edit- If there really was foul play, then bringing the Jeep back to the original scene of the first accident would be a smart play, having it line up with the phone data so everything matched up.

 

[sunflowermomma]

I decided to enter both of these police reports into the upgraded version of CHAT GPT to see what other discrepancies i could find.

RSBM - ChatGPT pulls from all information available on the internet, not just accurate information. It can be inaccurate when returning results on questions with specific data points as answers, because while it pulls from things like auto manuals, it also pulls from forums where people are trying to troubleshoot. It's not guaranteed that the answer it gives you is true in the factual sense, but it's true with regards to what information is online.

 

[Bluedreamer]

RSBM - ChatGPT pulls from all information available on the internet, not just accurate information. It can be inaccurate when returning results on questions with specific data points as answers, because while it pulls from things like auto manuals, it also pulls from forums where people are trying to troubleshoot. It's not guaranteed that the answer it gives you is true in the factual sense, but it's true with regards to what information is online.

Yeah i thought so too, So i pulled up that part of the police report and started going through the numbers-

6:26- Daniel starts his car in the morning, time and mileage is logged

7:01- Daniel starts his car at the 1st gas station

7:22- Daniel starts his car at the 1st well site

and on and on until 12:54pm when it started and drove 11 miles.

Each and every time the car starts it logs the mileage it just drove, its very easy to see that-

Even the car start at 12:54pm logged the 23 miles driven beforehand-

 

[Bluedreamer]

Yeah i thought so too, So i pulled up that part of the police report and started going through the numbers-

6:26- Daniel starts his car in the morning, time and mileage is logged

7:01- Daniel starts his car at the 1st gas station

7:22- Daniel starts his car at the 1st well site

and on and on until 12:54pm when it started and drove 11 miles.

Each and every time the car starts it logs the mileage it just drove, its very easy to see that-

Even the car start at 12:54pm logged the 23 miles driven beforehand-


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I decided to try and figure out exactly where Daniel's Jeep and phone were up until 12:54pm, The police report does go over the timeline but they aren't exactly sure where he went between 8:16am when he left the 1st well site and 9:00am when he was at the 2nd gas station, which is weird because it's easy to figure out-

They have these coordinates that they recovered from the phones GPS-

IN THE AUDIO SECTION OF THE REPORT I LOCATED MULTIPLE AUDIO FILES. 6 FILES
FROM THE MORNING OF 06/23/2021, BETWEEN 0849 HOURS AND 0858 HOURS APPEARED TO BE
TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS GUIDING FROM A POINT NORTH OF I-10, HEADING SOUTH TO MC85.
0849: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO THE I-1O EAST RAMP TO PHOENIX"
0854: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST BROADWAY ROAD"
0855: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST SOUTHERN AVENUE"
0856: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO BASELINE ROAD"
0858: "TAKE THE NEXT LEFT ONTO ARIZONA 85 SOUTH"
0858: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO WEST MC85"

If you look at the times between the first 2 directions, 5 minutes, you'll see that when that first direction is given, Daniel's phone and jeep are heading south on SUN VALLEY PARKWAY at 8:49am. They then got on the I-10 east freeway and exited to MC85 where at 8:54pm the directions told them to turn left, they didn't and the directions kept telling them to turn left until they did at 8:58am. (We know this first GPS direction was from SUN VALLEY PARKWAY because there are NO east on ramps within 5 minutes of the 2nd GPS log besides the SVP on ramp.)

This means when Daniel left the 1st well site at 8:16am he was actually headed to the 2nd well site on Sun Valley parkway, before turning around and going to the 2nd shell station. At 8:33am, while heading to the 2nd well site and almost there, Daniel missed a call from his supervisor Stephen Noel. At 8:35am he called him back. There is a car start time at 8:35am which means Daniel pulled over and shut his car down to call Stephen back, this makes sense because he is one handed and his blue tooth was disconnected as of 7:12am according to the police report.

So Daniel pulls over and calls Stephen Noel back, whatever Stephen told him caused him to turn around and head for that 2nd gas station. Did Stephen have him picking something up? After stopping at the 2nd gas station Daniel then heads back up Sun valley parkway to the 2nd well site.

Why doesn't the police department have this in their report? In their report it says they aren't sure where Daniel was between these times but its obvious from the miles driven and the GPS coordinates that Daniel was headed to the 2nd well site at that time.

The 8:13am call to Ken was Daniel getting the go ahead to go to the 2nd well site, the 8:16am mile IQ trip start from the 1st well site is Daniel headed that way after the call. The 8:35 car start and turnaround is after talking with Stephen Noel.

The mention of Stephen Noel is also strange in the police report. As far as i can tell if they did question Stephen it didn't make it on the report and there are 2 texts to Stephen from Daniel that are redacted, which is strange. Daniel's other supervisor Kevin was contacted, was Stephen? He is the main boss and was the last person to actually talk to Daniel before Ken.

Stephens son is Peter Noel, who is the Vice President of Ken's company webber water resources.

The police also would have talked to Stephen about these phone calls, Stephen would have explained it.