Where could he have disappeared to is the burning question! Motives aside, mental break, accident, work conspiracy, angered friend of girl he was interested in, where is Daniel? The desert is vast, but so many searches his father's been conducting, it amazes me his remains weren't located. Again, after watching disappeared episode, it really seemed he was having some sort of mental breaks, his family noticed it when visiting his apartment. Was it covid? Was it pressure from.his job? Was it loneliness? Could be a multitude of reasons, but where is he? If alive or deceased? Do we believe he's in the dessert or do we believe his body was removed from the location and concealed, or is he alive living as someone else, maybe amnesia?
I don't think Steve Fischer is a bad guy, but he did spread misinformation about Daniel multiple times. Glad to see he is doing something now. He's not working for David so he must be doing it on his own.
That's really cool drone footage! If they posted regularly I'm sure volunteers would search. Would also be cool to show some scale so you could identify something quickly. I noticed Daniel wore an earring, wondering if metal detector were used to search as well?
Before you read this highly recommend you go back and read all the posts I have about Daniel Robinson because every time i make a new post it ties into the previous ones in some way.
In my opinion, Buckeye PD has done a lot of questionable things in regards to the Daniel Robinson missing person case.
I want to go over more of their investigation and interactions with David to see if there are any other strange parts of the story that align with everything I've gone over previously.
Before we get into some of those new things lets go over some stuff we already talked about and sourced.
According to the rancher, on a recorded eyewitness account, the Buckeye PD told him not to tell the media, the family or anyone that he found the Jeep in the ravine. This is strange for a multitude of reasons.
#1- Daniel's father had been on the ground in Buckeye since June 26th, searching the desert, homeless shelters, cities, etc. This means that Daniel's father spent July 19th looking for any signs of his son while Buckeye PD spent the day already knowing where Daniel's Jeep was.
#2- At no point was the ravine treated as a crime scene. There were no evidence markers, and no comprehensive forensic analysis was conducted. Daniel's personal belongings were literally labeled for safe keeping by the Buckeye PD.
#3- This has always been a missing person case, there is no excuse for not immediately informing David Robinson when his son’s Jeep was found that morning or later on in the day considering what they did at the scene. In my opinion, one of the only reasons for delaying notification would be to ensure the scene looked a certain way before anyone else saw it. Officer Prusick’s CSI report shows clear inconsistencies that point to evidence being moved. He notes two boots on the hillside, even though there was only one before he arrived with the other stuck under the vehicle. What's even more interesting is that Prusick states the sunroof panel was “missing” but never acknowledges that it was actually found underneath the Jeep. These omissions and contradictions suggest that the scene could have been altered before it was officially documented. (Page 73 of the police report.)
According to the police report, the Buckeye PD waited 24 HOURS before notifying David that they found the jeep. This means that they knew about the Jeep being found at around 9:00am on July 19th but waited until around 9:00am on July 20th to tell David. They also said they spent 18 hours on scene which makes little sense because they didn't do any real forensics and they missed a bunch of things that were found in the vicinity of the ravine, including a HUMAN SKULL found a few hundred feet away and a rope found closer than that. Someone needs to explain what the Buckeye PD was doing for 18 hours instead of letting David know they found his son's Jeep. We know they weren't doing any forensics thanks to the police report showing us when forensics were done, so what were they doing?
According to Billy's eyewitness account, recorded online, he reached out to the Buckeye PD on September 29th, 2021. Buckeye PD didn't try contacting Billy until November 29th and it was only a few days after Davids press conference calling the Buckeye PD out for not contacting him that they asked Jeff Mcgrath about his story. Billy's story helps move Daniel's Jeep away from the ravine, contradicting Buckeye PD's narrative that the jeep was there the entire time. Before the Mile IQ released Buckeye PD also told David that Billy was a credible witness.(1:53:00 TIMESTAMP)
Looking at these 3 pieces of evidence, none of which come from David Robinson, it’s hard not to question what else Buckeye PD has done that makes no sense. Some people have accused David of lying about parts of this case, but I encourage them to go back and read my other posts, which dismantle many of the false claims about who initially made certain statements regarding Daniel’s disappearance. The reality is, David has no reason to lie. The only reason some people don't trust him is because of false narratives that were pushed early on. Had I been following this case from the beginning and seen the early posts, I might have also questioned David’s statements. However, with what we now know, it is clear that he was not lying. As you watch David tell his story going forward try to keep that in mind.
You can hear a lot about what Buckeye PD did by listening to David Robinson's You-Tube channel. We are going to go over a few in this post.
The first thing i want to go over AGAIN because it's so egregious is the 24 hours Buckeye PD waited before telling David. According to David this also caused him to be confused himself and he even gave the wrong date Daniel's Jeep was found to multiple news outlets (1:13:45 TIMESTAMP)
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After they told David they found the Jeep, the detective met David in the parking lot of the police station and gave him 1 PHOTO of the vehicle in the ravine and a few maps detailing where it was found. Then the detective took David to the impound lot, where he showed him the vehicle and even told him to open it up and have a look inside. Remember, no real forensics were done at the scene so when the detective is telling David to open up the jeep and have a look around David would be compromising the jeep from any further forensic work, work that would be done days later, which we will go over. (45:00 TIMESTAMP)
After this interaction, Detective Larry Biffin tells David that he has to get his son's jeep out of the impound that day or he would incur storage fees. This is really weird, I know i say that term a lot but I don't know what else to use. Remember again, no forensics had been done, this is backed up by forensic work being done 6 days later as noted in the police report. David says that he had to literally beg them to hold onto it. (46:30 TIMESTAMP)
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Stephen Fischer shows up again for this part of the story. He posted on X/twitter that David and his PI demanded possession of the Jeep from the Buckeye PD and had to sign a form saying how the evidence would be compromised (David didn't have a PI when Biffin told him he needed to remove the vehicle from impound). Stephen saying further testing couldn't be done isn't correct either. They had the vehicle for 2 whole weeks, they had time to do any testing they wanted to before David took control of the Jeep on August 4th. Also a reminder that Daniel's clothes were marked for SAFE KEEPING, does that sound like a department that was going to be doing further testing?
There is one interesting thing to note about David and his PI taking control of the vehicle. According to David. Buckeye PD freaked out on him after his PI told the police what they planned on doing with the vehicle, sending the infotainment system off to be specific. That's highly suspicious for the Buckeye PD considering Jeff would send the infotainment data off for analysis and it would show more about the 11 mile discrepancy and show Jeep ignition times. This is when David was forced to sign a document that released the vehicle. Remember, David and his PI gained control of the Jeep on August 4th, which means the Buckeye PD had plenty of time to do any forensics they wanted beforehand.(1:33:00 TIMESTAMP)
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The Buckeye did some forensics on the 26th of July, which is interesting because this happened after David had a meeting with police chief Larry Hall demanding that they do so. There are a bunch of things that were said in that meeting that David goes over that you can hear for yourself in the video linked below, its worth it to hear the whole thing. He talks about how they didn't do any forensics in the Jeep because there was no blood and that they knew Daniel was driving simply because it was his vehicle.(1:19:55 TIMESTAMP)
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David was also contacted by the Buckeye PD a year after Daniel went missing, they asked him for a razor so they can check their DNA swabs they took against Daniel's DNA, A YEAR LATER. (1:21:00 TIMESTAMP)
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This covers Buckeye PD’s discovery of the vehicle and some of the initial events that followed. When you look at both the actions that can be verified and those that David has reported, it all suggests something far beyond simple police negligence in my opinion.
I want to first say this is just my opinion…and may not mean a thing to others.
But I really believe Daniel was going through something prior to the day he went missing. And sadly that day, he drove off into the desert. I believe he was driving his Jeep when it wrecked in the ravine. He may have been injured. He may have had a head injury. Idk. But I think he made it out of the vehicle and eventually undressed. How long did he stay at the wreck site? Minutes? Hours? Unsure. I do believe he ended up wandering off in an unknown direction into the vast desert and sadly he is no longer with us.
I don’t believe there was a third party involved.
I don’t believe the Jeep was moved to the ravine sometime after the initial searches.
I don’t believe LE is hiding anything.
I believe there was a young man who sadly died and a heartbroken father who has done everything he can think of to help find his son.
Again JMO and others may totally disagree with me.
I pray the family gets closure.
I want to first say this is just my opinion…and may not mean a thing to others.
But I really believe Daniel was going through something prior to the day he went missing. And sadly that day, he drove off into the desert. I believe he was driving his Jeep when it wrecked in the ravine. He may have been injured. He may have had a head injury. Idk. But I think he made it out of the vehicle and eventually undressed. How long did he stay at the wreck site? Minutes? Hours? Unsure. I do believe he ended up wandering off in an unknown direction into the vast desert and sadly he is no longer with us.
I don’t believe there was a third party involved.
I don’t believe the Jeep was moved to the ravine sometime after the initial searches.
I don’t believe LE is hiding anything.
I believe there was a young man who sadly died and a heartbroken father who has done everything he can think of to help find his son.
Again JMO and others may totally disagree with me.
I pray the family gets closure
Yeah i just don't think that's plausible in my opinion.I think he would have been found by now, the area he went missing is only a few miles from the main road and you can see the white tank mountains, power lines, etc. from the ravine. If Daniel did sustain any injury and walk off confused then why was his google maps deleted? Where was the MILE IQ app for over a year? Where are his instragram photos? I'd have to think Daniel deleted these things after he got his head injury, which doesn't make sense for me. The only reason for that kind of stuff to be deleted would be for someone to cover their tracks in my opinion. That wouldn't Daniel.
The crazy thing about the MILE IQ APP is that police recovered it from the phone using recovery software. It had the trip to the ravine in it, which means the app was deleted after that trip.
If Daniel did injure himself and walk off then it'd just have to be some huge coincidence that he was acting paranoid the night before he went missing and i don't really believe in coincidences like that. I'd have to ignore all of this evidence to believe Daniel walked off into the desert. Occam's razor wouldn't even let me believe that at this point.
The 40+ ignitions after the Jeep crashed for the first time
Daniels other sock found back by the 2nd well site
The 11 miles driven after 12:54pM
The infotainment data
The PI saying the scene seemed staged.
The scene looking like it was staged.
The red transfer of paint
The yellow transfer of paint
damage to the jeep unrelated to a roll over crash(no damage to the roof)
The rancher saying the Jeep wasn't there with police misrepresenting his statement
Billy saying he saw Jeep away from the ravine after 12:54pm
The Police telling the rancher not to alert the media and not informing David they found the jeep for 24 hours.
Misinformation being spread about Daniel's mental health by people in contact with the Buckeye PD
Daniel's Job and what was going on in Buckeye right when he disappeared.
All of the weird things David Robinson has said about what the Buckeye PD has done.
I'm sure I'm missing some things but there is so much smoke here its crazy. But yeah we all just have our opinions on what could have happened, I hope his family gets justice one day. He could have walked off but i just don't see it.
Yeah i just don't think that's plausible in my opinion.I think he would have been found by now, the area he went missing is only a few miles from the main road and you can see the white tank mountains, power lines, etc. from the ravine.
I don’t really have an answer for this part other than “it just happens.”
We see it a lot in cases here on WS. A person disappears and their remains are eventually found where prior searches have been conducted repeatedly. Sadly, there are times the missing person is just never found.
I don’t really have an answer for this part other than “it just happens.”
We see it a lot in cases here on WS. A person disappears and their remains are eventually found where prior searches have been conducted repeatedly. Sadly, there are times the missing person is just never found.
Yeah i get that but in the beginning they weren't just searching for a body they could easily walk by and miss, they were searching for a whole car that was really easy to see from the air, Daniel's high visibility vest was on the ground and would be hard to miss as well.
Daniel's Jeep was found 1.5 miles from the turn Ken said he took and police said they searched those areas specifically. Helicopters, planes, atvs all went by that area according to the police report and they missed it.
The rancher said Buckeye PD told them they searched that area and missed it and the rancher, the one who found the Jeep and is there all the time, said it wasn't there days prior. Then you have the PI saying the scene seemed stage and that the Jeep didn't look like it had been out there a whole month. This PI has 2 decades of experience and used to be a police officer. He also said the damage didn't match the ravine and found a bunch of other evidence that points to the vehicle being staged. He also tried to get to 30mph in a car and off road vehicle where Daniel's Jeep wrecked and was unable to do so.Here's a pic of an extremely clean jeep for being out in the desert for 26 days, there aren't even water marks.
Maybe the police wiped the car down with a towel before taking this photo? I'm not sure. Its not just about Daniel not being found, but the evidence surrounding all of it.
Sometimes missing people do walk off, maybe Daniel did. I just don't think so.
Lets go over what it would look like for Daniel to walk off into the desert because he had a head injury or was mentally ill.
This is all speculation, these are some things Daniel would have had to do-
At 9:30am Daniel arrives at the 2nd well site. According to Ken things started off normal but sometime between 9:30-9:45am Daniel has a mental break and decides to leave the 2nd well site. He then tosses one of his socks out the window on his way towards the ravine, or maybe it flies out.
He drives around for about 15-30 minutes before deciding to drive as fast as he can up a hill and then over it into a ravine landing on its side (even though the PI couldn't obtain these speeds in an off-road vehicle, in my opinion he probably tried a bunch of times). Daniel then injures his head or is just mentally ill and makes a few baffling decisions.
#1- He sits in the jeep sideways, one handed while its on its side in the ravine, trying to start it over 40 times before it finally starts at 12:54pm, he then tries to tip it over but is unsuccessful. (In my opinion a one handed guy wouldn't be able to start a jeep on its side in the ravine after crashing because there is complicated procedure involved in starting the jeep after a crash that deploys the air bags, I'll link that below. You still have to have you foot on the brake as well).
#2- After failing to tip over the Jeep, Daniel pulls his phone out and instead of calling for help he deletes his google maps, his Mile IQ, some texts from Katelyn and a few other things. Then he sets his phone back inside the overturned Jeep takes his clothes off and starts to walk into the desert, leaving everything he needs to survive including water back at his vehicle.
#3- Daniel then walks and walks until he can't anymore due to exhaustion, he lays down and passes away due to his mental illness or head injury, over time animals scatter the remains and he hasn't been found yet. Or maybe he fell into a mine shaft that hasn't been searched.
#4- Billy is lying about seeing Daniel and his Jeep for an unknown reason.
Does all of that sound right or am i missing anything? I just don't think most of that is plausible, even with someone who is mentally ill or had a head injury.
Here is a video of the police chief himself calling Daniel's disappearance highly suspicious. He even says they can't explain the 40+ ignitions even though we can easily. (3:20 TIMESTAMP)
It seems like early on this case, especially in this forum, a lot of misinformation was spread around by certain users without sourcing or regard for the actual truth. I'm not trying to call anyone out but some of it is very egregious and really easy to fact check now, it's crazy reading it all as i go page to page. I have to bring myself to stop going through it all because it's very sad and frustrating.
David's story about the law enforcement agent, David's story about the rancher, etc. All of this can be verified by the person who told the story originally, instead of relying on David and insinuating hes lying. Why would you think he is lying in the first place?
Why did David have to release that call? What caused people to think David was an untrustworthy storyteller? The guy did 2 tours in Afghanistan and just wants to find his son, I don't get it.
Mr. Robinson will have a hard time based on some past behavior that I would assume will be revealed by opponents. However, his best platform is universally needed on ALL missing persons regardless of age, gender, race and that is the immediate releasing of phone and social media accounts data to immediate family and the police. Once a report is actually received and opened by law enforcement, there should be no waiting for warrents/releases, etc. My understanding is an app that Daniel had on his phone stored ALL data on the apps servers and all reports come from their website. It took months to get that data which ultimately proved the wreck happened at 10:30 AM not at 1 PM. This lends more credence to the wreck happened whill it was still raining in the area. And that after the final resting place of the vehicle it continued to run until out of gas.
I know what past behavior you’re talking about and I never saw it come up anywhere. I’m certainly not going to post about it if it didn’t come out when he ran for Congress. And I 100% agree that his platform on missing persons is sorely needed.
Before you read this highly recommend you go back and read all the posts I have about Daniel Robinson because every time i make a new post it ties into the previous ones in some way.
In my opinion, Buckeye PD has done a lot of questionable things in regards to the Daniel Robinson missing person case.
I want to go over more of their investigation and interactions with David to see if there are any other strange parts of the story that align with everything I've gone over previously.
Before we get into some of those new things lets go over some stuff we already talked about and sourced.
According to the rancher, on a recorded eyewitness account, the Buckeye PD told him not to tell the media, the family or anyone that he found the Jeep in the ravine. This is strange for a multitude of reasons.
#1- Daniel's father had been on the ground in Buckeye since June 26th, searching the desert, homeless shelters, cities, etc. This means that Daniel's father spent July 19th looking for any signs of his son while Buckeye PD spent the day already knowing where Daniel's Jeep was.
#2- At no point was the ravine treated as a crime scene. There were no evidence markers, and no comprehensive forensic analysis was conducted. Daniel's personal belongings were literally labeled for safe keeping by the Buckeye PD. View attachment 561722
#3- This has always been a missing person case, there is no excuse for not immediately informing David Robinson when his son’s Jeep was found that morning or later on in the day considering what they did at the scene. In my opinion, one of the only reasons for delaying notification would be to ensure the scene looked a certain way before anyone else saw it. Officer Prusick’s CSI report shows clear inconsistencies that point to evidence being moved. He notes two boots on the hillside, even though there was only one before he arrived with the other stuck under the vehicle. What's even more interesting is that Prusick states the sunroof panel was “missing” but never acknowledges that it was actually found underneath the Jeep. These omissions and contradictions suggest that the scene could have been altered before it was officially documented. (Page 73 of the police report.)
According to the police report, the Buckeye PD waited 24 HOURS before notifying David that they found the jeep. This means that they knew about the Jeep being found at around 9:00am on July 19th but waited until around 9:00am on July 20th to tell David. They also said they spent 18 hours on scene which makes little sense because they didn't do any real forensics and they missed a bunch of things that were found in the vicinity of the ravine, including a HUMAN SKULL found a few hundred feet away and a rope found closer than that. Someone needs to explain what the Buckeye PD was doing for 18 hours instead of letting David know they found his son's Jeep. We know they weren't doing any forensics thanks to the police report showing us when forensics were done, so what were they doing?
According to Billy's eyewitness account, recorded online, he reached out to the Buckeye PD on September 29th, 2021. Buckeye PD didn't try contacting Billy until November 29th and it was only a few days after Davids press conference calling the Buckeye PD out for not contacting him that they asked Jeff Mcgrath about his story. Billy's story helps move Daniel's Jeep away from the ravine, contradicting Buckeye PD's narrative that the jeep was there the entire time. Before the Mile IQ released Buckeye PD also told David that Billy was a credible witness.(1:53:00 TIMESTAMP)
Looking at these 3 pieces of evidence, none of which come from David Robinson, it’s hard not to question what else Buckeye PD has done that makes no sense. Some people have accused David of lying about parts of this case, but I encourage them to go back and read my other posts, which dismantle many of the false claims about who initially made certain statements regarding Daniel’s disappearance. The reality is, David has no reason to lie. The only reason some people don't trust him is because of false narratives that were pushed early on. Had I been following this case from the beginning and seen the early posts, I might have also questioned David’s statements. However, with what we now know, it is clear that he was not lying. As you watch David tell his story going forward try to keep that in mind.
You can hear a lot about what Buckeye PD did by listening to David Robinson's You-Tube channel. We are going to go over a few in this post.
The first thing i want to go over AGAIN because it's so egregious is the 24 hours Buckeye PD waited before telling David. According to David this also caused him to be confused himself and he even gave the wrong date Daniel's Jeep was found to multiple news outlets (1:13:45 TIMESTAMP)
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After they told David they found the Jeep, the detective met David in the parking lot of the police station and gave him 1 PHOTO of the vehicle in the ravine and a few maps detailing where it was found. Then the detective took David to the impound lot, where he showed him the vehicle and even told him to open it up and have a look inside. Remember, no real forensics were done at the scene so when the detective is telling David to open up the jeep and have a look around David would be compromising the jeep from any further forensic work, work that would be done days later, which we will go over. (45:00 TIMESTAMP)
After this interaction, Detective Larry Biffin tells David that he has to get his son's jeep out of the impound that day or he would incur storage fees. This is really weird, I know i say that term a lot but I don't know what else to use. Remember again, no forensics had been done, this is backed up by forensic work being done 6 days later as noted in the police report. David says that he had to literally beg them to hold onto it. (46:30 TIMESTAMP)
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Stephen Fischer shows up again for this part of the story. He posted on X/twitter that David and his PI demanded possession of the Jeep from the Buckeye PD and had to sign a form saying how the evidence would be compromised (David didn't have a PI when Biffin told him he needed to remove the vehicle from impound). Stephen saying further testing couldn't be done isn't correct either. They had the vehicle for 2 whole weeks, they had time to do any testing they wanted to before David took control of the Jeep on August 4th. Also a reminder that Daniel's clothes were marked for SAFE KEEPING, does that sound like a department that was going to be doing further testing?
There is one interesting thing to note about David and his PI taking control of the vehicle. According to David. Buckeye PD freaked out on him after his PI told the police what they planned on doing with the vehicle, sending the infotainment system off to be specific. That's highly suspicious for the Buckeye PD considering Jeff would send the infotainment data off for analysis and it would show more about the 11 mile discrepancy and show Jeep ignition times. This is when David was forced to sign a document that released the vehicle. Remember, David and his PI gained control of the Jeep on August 4th, which means the Buckeye PD had plenty of time to do any forensics they wanted beforehand.(1:33:00 TIMESTAMP)
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The Buckeye did some forensics on the 26th of July, which is interesting because this happened after David had a meeting with police chief Larry Hall demanding that they do so. There are a bunch of things that were said in that meeting that David goes over that you can hear for yourself in the video linked below, its worth it to hear the whole thing. He talks about how they didn't do any forensics in the Jeep because there was no blood and that they knew Daniel was driving simply because it was his vehicle.(1:19:55 TIMESTAMP)
David was also contacted by the Buckeye PD a year after Daniel went missing, they asked him for a razor so they can check their DNA swabs they took against Daniel's DNA, A YEAR LATER. (1:21:00 TIMESTAMP)
This covers Buckeye PD’s discovery of the vehicle and some of the initial events that followed. When you look at both the actions that can be verified and those that David has reported, it all suggests something far beyond simple police negligence in my opinion.
Bluedreamer you are a total rockstar gathering all of this information, seriously impressive. There could very well be something in there to unlock this thing.
Here is something I found interesting that hasn't really been talked about.
Edit- I'd also like to fix a post i made above, I had wrote that detectives didn't do forensics until the 26th, that is incorrect, they did them on the 22nd but didn't post them on the police report until the 26th. They did them the same day David had a meeting with Larry Hall.
Again before you read my posts I'd recommend reading all of my others beforehand because they tie in in some way or the other.
According to David Robinson, On July 20th Detective Biffin met with him at the police station and then took him to see the vehicle. Biffin then told David that they found glass on the ground and that it was from the sunroof, not the broken drivers window. Biffin said Daniel must have kicked his way out, that's why the glass is there. (9:00 TIMESTAMP)
At first i thought that David must be misremembering this detail but then I found that David had also said that the glass they found on the ground did not come from a car window, he also says his PI said the same thing. (22:50 TIMESTAMP)
We Know Daniel's roof panel isn't made of glass so it couldn't have come from that. David also says that he and his former PI both say the glass doesn't come from a car window, at least not a Jeep Renegade.
If it's not glass from the car window and its not from the sunroof then where did it come from and why is it there?
In my opinion the only reason would be because the jeep was crashed somewhere else where the window broke and the glass on the ground is meant to cover that, except they used the wrong glass.
I also think this is interesting when it comes to the one photo David got from Buckeye PD, which actually kind of obscures the boot and sun roof panel from being seen clearly-
This also ties into David saying that 90% of the photos he has he got from the rancher, not Buckeye PD. (26:00-28:00 TIMESTAMP)
This ties in further when you remember Detective Prusick's CSI report, who arrived on scene hours after the first detectives, doesn't mention the boot or sunroof being stuck underneath the car-
These are the kind of discrepancies I'm looking for to further my theories, these are just my opinions. You have to ask yourself, why would David lie about something as simple as the glass on the ground? Who actually gains from doing so?
If the glass didn't come from the sunroof and its not window glass then why is it there?
Thank you for all the details! Since it seems there's so much "incompetence" or "corruption" in the police dept, here's a theory...Daniel was driving, police attempted to pull him over, he panicks and runs, they chase him, Daniel crashes off road, police cover it up?
Thank you for all the details! Since it seems there's so much "incompetence" or "corruption" in the police dept, here's a theory...Daniel was driving, police attempted to pull him over, he panicks and runs, they chase him, Daniel crashes off road, police cover it up?
No problem. I don't think that is what happened. When Daniel left Ken he drove further into the desert and got into an accident around 10:00-10:30am. The cops wouldn't have any reason to be out in the desert where he was.
If corruption is the case then it happened after Daniel went missing as a way to protect someone or something.
We went over the miles on the infotainment system and Mile IQ APP that put Daniel's Jeep at the 2nd gas station at 9:00am. Now I want to see if i can figure out the exact route Daniel took to the ravine from there, or at least near it, and i want to see how Billy's story lines up. At this point this is theory, the miles add up but only because I stop once i get to 23.6.
This is not the for sure route Daniel took like the other data we went over, this is speculation with a lot of circumstantial evidence.
Before I dive into this, I want to clarify that I MOSTLY believe Billy’s account of seeing Daniel the day he went missing. Billy’s background doesn’t give him any reason to fabricate his story. He was fresh out of prison at the time and had nothing to gain by involving himself in this case randomly. His history shows he was incarcerated for marijuana related offenses while carrying a gun, actions that don’t make him a “real criminal” in my opinion. Some people speculate that Billy came forward for the $10,000 reward, but this theory doesn’t add up. Simply seeing Daniel after he left Ken wouldn’t meet the criteria for providing direct information that led to finding him. Billy’s account wouldn’t qualify him for the reward money at all.
We are going to be working off of Billy's first account, the one he left on that you-tube channel. This is the only account where we don't have to play the TELEPHONE game, meaning nobody else is telling us what Billy said besides Billy.
According to Billy, the first time he saw Daniel Robinson was on the EAST side of the wash at around 11:30am. The important thing about Billy's time frame is that it doesn't have to be exact. This is a few months after Daniel went missing that Billy came forward, he's not going to remember the exact times he saw Daniel. If we are going to allow Ken to change the time he met with Daniel to fit data(which did happen), then we should be allowed to do the same thing with Billy.
If Billy is telling the truth, then the last place he saw him and gave coordinates for was right next to the wash, the actual route Daniel might have to take for the 23.6 miles would look something like this-
Most people including the police think Daniel took a route around that gravel pit to get to the ravine, but in my opinion that doesn't make sense. As of March 2021, 3 months before Daniel disappeared, that road from the gravel pit to the ravine didn't exist. It also did not exist in August 2021, a month after they found his Jeep. Another thing to remember is that Daniel's Jeep was doing around 30mph when the first crash happened. He is in Renegade Trail-Hawk, and while that's a capable off-road vehicle, it has low clearance. In my opinion Daniel needs a road to get to 30mph, this is also backed up by Jeff Mcgrath saying he wasn't able to do so by the ravine. The route i have turns into a road as soon as the vehicle leaves the wash and heads south.
The 23.6 mile route i have above would line up with Billy seeing Daniel in the area, like the MILE IQ and infotainment system shows. Billy says he talked to Daniel briefly before driving off.
A few hours later Billy says he saw Daniel's Jeep again, according to Billy this was around 1:30-2:00pm. This adds up with the vehicle starting at 12:54pm and driving away from the ravine. Let's look at where Billy says he saw Daniel's Jeep the 2nd time, according to the police report it was 2.9 miles south of the first sighting. Billy said Daniel's Jeep was headed south and on the WEST side of the washes- View attachment 560307
Billy's eyewitness account, if true, proves Daniel's jeep left the ravine area and headed south after 12:54pm, when the Jeep started. Whats also important to note about Billy's account is that before the MILE IQ was released, the Buckeye PD told David that Billy's story was credible, link to that video is below(59:00 timestamp). It seems like after they were able to say the vehicle was in the ravine by 10:30am, they decided to label Billy as a liar. The weird thing about Billy's story is that it aligned with the correct way to read the car data and it did so all the way back in 2021, before the data was released.
I want to add onto this post a little bit. In it I have my theory of the actual route i think Daniel took after leaving the 2nd well site. I don't believe he went down to the rock quarry area before ending up by the ravine, I think he went around using this route-
There is another reason i don't think he went by the rock quarry and that's because of a 2nd gate that I believe is located here-
Correct me if that's not a gate but if you zoom in it sure looks like one. David also mentions that Daniel would have had to open another gate to go by the rock quarry in some of his lives.
In my opinion Daniel wouldn't have gotten out to open a gate to head further south when he could have just turned right instead. He might also think the area beyond the gate is private property, no need to go that way if there is an open road right next to it.
The route through the wash that i have lines up much better with the data. The 23.6 miles, the 30mph at the time of airbag deployment and Billy's witness account.
Does anyone know if Ken ever said he followed Daniel's tracks through that gate?
I want to add onto this post a little bit. In it I have my theory of the actual route i think Daniel took after leaving the 2nd well site. I don't believe he went down to the rock quarry area before ending up by the ravine, I think he went around using this route- View attachment 563276
There is another reason i don't think he went by the rock quarry and that's because of a 2nd gate that I believe is located here- View attachment 563278
Correct me if that's not a gate but if you zoom in it sure looks like one. David also mentions that Daniel would have had to open another gate to go by the rock quarry in some of his lives.
In my opinion Daniel wouldn't have gotten out to open a gate to head further south when he could have just turned right instead. He might also think the area beyond the gate is private property, no need to go that way if there is an open road right next to it.
The route through the wash that i have lines up much better with the data. The 23.6 miles, the 30mph at the time of airbag deployment and Billy's witness account.
Does anyone know if Ken ever said he followed Daniel's tracks through that gate?
Excellent sleuthing @Bluedreamer! Thank you for cross referencing from as many angles as you can (many of which I haven’t seen before), and you’re including the evidence you’ve found!
I definitely see the gate, here is a zoomed in image 33°35'02.4"N 112°43'45.9"W
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