AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[Bluedreamer]

Excellent sleuthing @Bluedreamer! Thank you for cross referencing from as many angles as you can (many of which I haven’t seen before), and you’re including the evidence you’ve found!

I definitely see the gate, here is a zoomed in image 33°35'02.4"N 112°43'45.9"W

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That's a much better image than i had found, this must be the gate David was talking about. You can also see a fence line going to the road and starting again after it.

Here is something interesting I found from Jeff Mcgrath, the PI. He was asked if it was possible that the Jeep started in the ravine while it was tipped over, which might explain the car starting at 12:54pm and the wheels been spun for 11 miles while it laid there. He said it was not possible because of fluid drain and he makes a very good point, you can also look this up online. (1:46:00 TIMESTAMP)

If the Jeep started at 12:54pm and drove 11 miles, and we know the first crash happened between 10:00-10:32am right by the ravine, then in my opinion any miles driven after that would have to be away from the ravine, its just math at that point.

I think they brought the Jeep back to the ravine because Daniel's phone was left there when he first crashed, so they brought it back to match the data. The MILE IQ didn't record that 11 mile trip because Daniel's Jeep and phone were separated.

We should also remember that Jeff initially called the 12:54pm a crash time and the Buckeye PD never corrected him even though he was wrong.

Daniel's Jeep couldn't have crashed by the ravine and then restarted at 12:54pm to drive into the ravine and have the wheels spun because at 10:32am Daniel's phone was already directly in the ravine according to the MILE IQ(which had been very accurate that day). There are also no other tracks leading into or out of the ravine besides the ones that put the jeep there going down the ravine.

It's not like this theory is out of left field, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that shows the Jeep might have been staged there later, this data just backs that up.

I'd love for anyone to come on here and explain the 12:54pm start time and 11 miles that keeps the Jeep in the ravine, I really don't think its possible given the evidence we have.

 

[JJ Ray]

The vehicle couldn't have continued until it ran out of gas, the jeep's accident response system would have kicked in when the airbags deployed and shut the vehicle down. That's why it took so many attempts to start it again, 40+. Because he didn't know about the accident response system. He probably pulled the manual out and figured it out.

https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/servicemanuals/jeep/2017-renegade.pdf

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exactly.

 

[JJ Ray]

I would love to hear any recent thoughts about Daniel’s case from @JJ Ray.

see DM. I just got done reading Blue Dreamer .... IF the 12:45 matches the restart time by Daniel figuring out the shut off (which I posted about way back that year) the roll-over portion might have happened then. I, like San Tan Accident consultants imply that it may have been two stage. He tried gunning the engine up the ravine but it was at that point it did the 3/4 roll. No airbags because they deployed on initial crash in ravine (at 10:30) and I bet he didn't reattach his seat belt (indicated secured by the Airbag Control Mod on deployment). Concussed or broken bone but not one that punctured skin on the roll over??? Don't know. Engine might stayed running and fuel ran out after 11 miles. Both back wheels were off the ground in final position. There was not much gas left because who buys only a gallon of gas at Shell (the first Shell stop on Verado Way) ANSWER: a younger person without much money. But also if you go back through thread; Jeep Dealerships admit that Engine Control Module, Airbag Control Module, and odometer on panel frequently have descrepancies...can't recall citation but it is there.)
Despite every attempt by Daniel and Jeff McGrath to keep the "foul play" narrative alive for their own personal reasons it is not at all likely that the Jeep ever left the ravine once in it. Occam's Razor... My belief is he threw on some dry clothes (gym short and tee and sneakers) and out of anger or "I really things up now" wandered west. Or Northwest (even more remote)

A random person not on any of the tracks, the nearest several hundred yards away in the pouring rain that AM came across him? Not likely.

 

[JJ Ray]

I know what past behavior you’re talking about and I never saw it come up anywhere. I’m certainly not going to post about it if it didn’t come out when he ran for Congress. And I 100% agree that his platform on missing persons is sorely needed.

nor did I. About late Oct. through x-mas of that year, it became necessary to share with a VERY small number of people still involved in search and recovery efforts in order to better understand David's on-going behavior and to evaluate our continued commitment. That's where I began phasing out...moved on to Benjamin Anderson, Roberta "Bobby" Braden, and an accidental drowning issue.

 

[JJ Ray]

Excellent sleuthing @Bluedreamer! Thank you for cross referencing from as many angles as you can (many of which I haven’t seen before), and you’re including the evidence you’ve found!

I definitely see the gate, here is a zoomed in image 33°35'02.4"N 112°43'45.9"W

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P.S> Billy sighting is totally bogus and been disproved. There are TRACKS from the renegade entering the ravine from the quarry (saw first hand) to the east. Nothing from the west up the hill (that the tow truck ended up using)

The only thing I don't get is why did he leave the first work site and go all the way to the Shell at lower Buckeye and 87? Then go to meet the work associate. Maybe he found cash and put another gallon in? There is no record in the Buckeye Police Report (final version).

 

[JJ Ray]

That's a much better image than i had found, this must be the gate David was talking about. You can also see a fence line going to the road and starting again after it.

Here is something interesting I found from Jeff Mcgrath, the PI. He was asked if it was possible that the Jeep started in the ravine while it was tipped over, which might explain the car starting at 12:54pm and the wheels been spun for 11 miles while it laid there. He said it was not possible because of fluid drain and he makes a very good point, you can also look this up online. (1:46:00 TIMESTAMP)

If the Jeep started at 12:54pm and drove 11 miles, and we know the first crash happened between 10:00-10:32am right by the ravine, then in my opinion any miles driven after that would have to be away from the ravine, its just math at that point.

I think they brought the Jeep back to the ravine because Daniel's phone was left there when he first crashed, so they brought it back to match the data. The MILE IQ didn't record that 11 mile trip because Daniel's Jeep and phone were separated.

We should also remember that Jeff initially called the 12:54pm a crash time and the Buckeye PD never corrected him even though he was wrong.

Daniel's Jeep couldn't have crashed by the ravine and then restarted at 12:54pm to drive into the ravine and have the wheels spun because at 10:32am Daniel's phone was already directly in the ravine according to the MILE IQ(which had been very accurate that day). There are also no other tracks leading into or out of the ravine besides the ones that put the jeep there going down the ravine.

It's not like this theory is out of left field, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that shows the Jeep might have been staged there later, this data just backs that up.

I'd love for anyone to come on here and explain the 12:54pm start time and 11 miles that keeps the Jeep in the ravine, I really don't think its possible given the evidence we have.

see my reply to Mlhnnn and I'm not sure the ENGINE control module isn't the source of the 12:54 which could have been an entry when the engine STOPPED not started. The ENGINE control MOdule passes data to the AIR BAG COntrol Module. Airbag only records certain sets of data the ENGINE Control records ALL kinds of things. Think of them as two different data servers, some data matching some not. That's always been my assumption after learning of the MILEIQ data.
Was the actual data posted here? Is the final report from Buckeye PD that I was sent posted here? Good works folks!

 

[Bluedreamer]

see my reply to Mlhnnn and I'm not sure the ENGINE control module isn't the source of the 12:54 which could have been an entry when the engine STOPPED not started. The ENGINE control MOdule passes data to the AIR BAG COntrol Module. Airbag only records certain sets of data the ENGINE Control records ALL kinds of things. Think of them as two different data servers, some data matching some not. That's always been my assumption after learning of the MILEIQ data.
Was the actual data posted here? Is the final report from Buckeye PD that I was sent posted here? Good works folks!

The 12:54pm time isn't a stop time and it didn't come from the Engine control module, it came from the infotainment as noted in the police report-

The 12:54pm is from the infotainment, go through the logs, each one is when the jeep started.

 

[Bluedreamer]

P.S> Billy sighting is totally bogus and been disproved. There are TRACKS from the renegade entering the ravine from the quarry (saw first hand) to the east. Nothing from the west up the hill (that the tow truck ended up using)

The only thing I don't get is why did he leave the first work site and go all the way to the Shell at lower Buckeye and 87? Then go to meet the work associate. Maybe he found cash and put another gallon in? There is no record in the Buckeye Police Report (final version).

Im going to need a picture or some kind of source for this.

 

[JJ Ray]

The 12:54pm time isn't a stop time and it didn't come from the Engine control module, it came from the infotainment as noted in the police report-

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The 12:54pm is from the infotainment, go through the logs, each one is when the jeep started.

Been so long....thanks for clarifying....My guess is it took that long for him to figure out the restart. Also, buried somewhere in my other replies is the note that odometer difference of 11 miles (McGrath reading from dash) vs. Engine Control Mod is a known descrepancy by dealerships (I beleivementioned in Buckeye PD report issued in fall of 2021.

 

[Bluedreamer]

see DM. I just got done reading Blue Dreamer .... IF the 12:45 matches the restart time by Daniel figuring out the shut off (which I posted about way back that year) the roll-over portion might have happened then. I, like San Tan Accident consultants imply that it may have been two stage. He tried gunning the engine up the ravine but it was at that point it did the 3/4 roll. No airbags because they deployed on initial crash in ravine (at 10:30) and I bet he didn't reattach his seat belt (indicated secured by the Airbag Control Mod on deployment). Concussed or broken bone but not one that punctured skin on the roll over??? Don't know. Engine might stayed running and fuel ran out after 11 miles. Both back wheels were off the ground in final position. There was not much gas left because who buys only a gallon of gas at Shell (the first Shell stop on Verado Way) ANSWER: a younger person without much money. But also if you go back through thread; Jeep Dealerships admit that Engine Control Module, Airbag Control Module, and odometer on panel frequently have descrepancies...can't recall citation but it is there.)
Despite every attempt by Daniel and Jeff McGrath to keep the "foul play" narrative alive for their own personal reasons it is not at all likely that the Jeep ever left the ravine once in it. Occam's Razor... My belief is he threw on some dry clothes (gym short and tee and sneakers) and out of anger or "I really things up now" wandered west. Or Northwest (even more remote)

A random person not on any of the tracks, the nearest several hundred yards away in the pouring rain that AM came across him? Not likely.

Been so long....thanks for clarifying....My guess is it took that long for him to figure out the restart. Also, buried somewhere in my other replies is the note that odometer difference of 11 miles (McGrath reading from dash) vs. Engine Control Mod is a known descrepancy by dealerships (I beleivementioned in Buckeye PD report issued in fall of 2021.

Yes it would be known, anytime a jeep with a uconnect system crashes and is driven again without having the infotainment pulled would show a discrepancy, every single one.

 

[JJ Ray]

Im going to need a picture or some kind of source for th

Yes it would be known, anytime a jeep with a uconnect system crashes and is driven again without having the infotainment pulled would show a discrepancy, every single one.

exactly what I'm saying ...it was "driven" about 30 feet to the left in a 3/4 roll over where it ended up.

 

[Bluedreamer]

exactly what I'm saying ...it was "driven" about 30 feet to the left in a 3/4 roll over where it ended up.

No i mean every single Jeep that crashes and then drives afterwards, like 11 miles, would go on the odometer as the Jeep moved but not on the CDR data(because it was after the crash) and not on the infotainment system because they pulled the data without starting the jeep again.

So yes, Jeep would say thats normal, but not for the reasons Buckeye Pd thinks.

There are also no other tracks besides the ones leading into the ravine, no tracks trying to get out, anywhere.

Daniel's Jeep Renegade also has Active drive II, which wouldn't really allow the Jeeps tires to move if they aren't touching the ground.

 

[Bluedreamer]

P.S> Billy sighting is totally bogus and been disproved. There are TRACKS from the renegade entering the ravine from the quarry (saw first hand) to the east. Nothing from the west up the hill (that the tow truck ended up using)

The only thing I don't get is why did he leave the first work site and go all the way to the Shell at lower Buckeye and 87? Then go to meet the work associate. Maybe he found cash and put another gallon in? There is no record in the Buckeye Police Report (final version).

This is actually very easy to figure out, i already did so in a previous post, we know exactly where Daniel went after the first well site and we know why he turned around-

I decided to try and figure out exactly where Daniel's Jeep and phone were up until 12:54pm, The police report does go over the timeline but they aren't exactly sure where he went between 8:16am when he left the 1st well site and 9:00am when he was at the 2nd gas station, which is weird because it's easy to figure out-

They have these coordinates that they recovered from the phones GPS-

IN THE AUDIO SECTION OF THE REPORT I LOCATED MULTIPLE AUDIO FILES. 6 FILES
FROM THE MORNING OF 06/23/2021, BETWEEN 0849 HOURS AND 0858 HOURS APPEARED TO BE
TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS GUIDING FROM A POINT NORTH OF I-10, HEADING SOUTH TO MC85.
0849: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO THE I-1O EAST RAMP TO PHOENIX"
0854: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST BROADWAY ROAD"
0855: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST SOUTHERN AVENUE"
0856: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO BASELINE ROAD"
0858: "TAKE THE NEXT LEFT ONTO ARIZONA 85 SOUTH"
0858: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO WEST MC85"

If you look at the times between the first 2 directions, 5 minutes, you'll see that when that first direction is given, Daniel's phone and jeep are heading south on SUN VALLEY PARKWAY at 8:49am. They then got on the I-10 east freeway and exited to MC85 where at 8:54pm the directions told them to turn left, they didn't and the directions kept telling them to turn left until they did at 8:58am. (We know this first GPS direction was from SUN VALLEY PARKWAY because there are NO east on ramps within 5 minutes of the 2nd GPS log besides the SVP on ramp.)

This means when Daniel left the 1st well site at 8:16am he was actually headed to the 2nd well site on Sun Valley parkway, before turning around and going to the 2nd shell station. At 8:33am, while heading to the 2nd well site and almost there, Daniel missed a call from his supervisor Stephen Noel. At 8:35am he called him back. There is a car start time at 8:35am which means Daniel pulled over and shut his car down to call Stephen back, this makes sense because he is one handed and his blue tooth was disconnected as of 7:12am according to the police report.

So Daniel pulls over and calls Stephen Noel back, whatever Stephen told him caused him to turn around and head for that 2nd gas station. Did Stephen have him picking something up? After stopping at the 2nd gas station Daniel then heads back up Sun valley parkway to the 2nd well site.

Why doesn't the police department have this in their report? In their report it says they aren't sure where Daniel was between these times but its obvious from the miles driven and the GPS coordinates that Daniel was headed to the 2nd well site at that time.

The 8:13am call to Ken was Daniel getting the go ahead to go to the 2nd well site, the 8:16am mile IQ trip start from the 1st well site is Daniel headed that way after the call. The 8:35 car start and turnaround is after talking with Stephen Noel.

The mention of Stephen Noel is also strange in the police report. As far as i can tell if they did question Stephen it didn't make it on the report and there are 2 texts to Stephen from Daniel that are redacted, which is strange. Daniel's other supervisor Kevin was contacted, was Stephen? He is the main boss and was the last person to actually talk to Daniel before Ken.

Stephens son is Peter Noel, who is the Vice President of Ken's company webber water resources.

The police also would have talked to Stephen about these phone calls, Stephen would have explained it.

 

[Bluedreamer]

P.S> Billy sighting is totally bogus and been disproved. There are TRACKS from the renegade entering the ravine from the quarry (saw first hand) to the east. Nothing from the west up the hill (that the tow truck ended up using)

The thing about my theory is that it doesn't matter where Daniel's jeep entered the ravine because i think it was planted later. So Billy seeing it where he says would still line up with the mileage on the car at that time.

Whoever planted it in the ravine, if they did, could have come from any angle. If you do have photos that would be awesome because I believe you. Jeff McGrath also shows us where Daniel's Jeep entered the ravine in this video-(5:00 TIMESTAMP)

Missing geologist 'was obsessed with a woman he barely knew'

Missing geologist Daniel Robinson was obsessed with a woman he barely knew and disappeared just hours after sending her a desperate final text message, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JJ Ray]

The thing about my theory is that it doesn't matter where Daniel's jeep entered the ravine because i think it was planted later. So Billy seeing it where he says would still line up with the mileage on the car at that time.

This is actually very easy to figure out, i already did so in a previous post, we know exactly where Daniel went after the first well site and we know why he turned around-

I decided to try and figure out exactly where Daniel's Jeep and phone were up until 12:54pm, The police report does go over the timeline but they aren't exactly sure where he went between 8:16am when he left the 1st well site and 9:00am when he was at the 2nd gas station, which is weird because it's easy to figure out-

They have these coordinates that they recovered from the phones GPS-

IN THE AUDIO SECTION OF THE REPORT I LOCATED MULTIPLE AUDIO FILES. 6 FILES
FROM THE MORNING OF 06/23/2021, BETWEEN 0849 HOURS AND 0858 HOURS APPEARED TO BE
TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS GUIDING FROM A POINT NORTH OF I-10, HEADING SOUTH TO MC85.
0849: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO THE I-1O EAST RAMP TO PHOENIX"
0854: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST BROADWAY ROAD"
0855: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO WEST SOUTHERN AVENUE"
0856: "IN HALF A MILE, TURN LEFT ONTO BASELINE ROAD"
0858: "TAKE THE NEXT LEFT ONTO ARIZONA 85 SOUTH"
0858: "IN A QUARTER MILE TURN LEFT ONTO WEST MC85"

If you look at the times between the first 2 directions, 5 minutes, you'll see that when that first direction is given, Daniel's phone and jeep are heading south on SUN VALLEY PARKWAY at 8:49am. They then got on the I-10 east freeway and exited to MC85 where at 8:54pm the directions told them to turn left, they didn't and the directions kept telling them to turn left until they did at 8:58am. (We know this first GPS direction was from SUN VALLEY PARKWAY because there are NO east on ramps within 5 minutes of the 2nd GPS log besides the SVP on ramp.)

This means when Daniel left the 1st well site at 8:16am he was actually headed to the 2nd well site on Sun Valley parkway, before turning around and going to the 2nd shell station. At 8:33am, while heading to the 2nd well site and almost there, Daniel missed a call from his supervisor Stephen Noel. At 8:35am he called him back. There is a car start time at 8:35am which means Daniel pulled over and shut his car down to call Stephen back, this makes sense because he is one handed and his blue tooth was disconnected as of 7:12am according to the police report.

So Daniel pulls over and calls Stephen Noel back, whatever Stephen told him caused him to turn around and head for that 2nd gas station. Did Stephen have him picking something up? After stopping at the 2nd gas station Daniel then heads back up Sun valley parkway to the 2nd well site.

Why doesn't the police department have this in their report? In their report it says they aren't sure where Daniel was between these times but its obvious from the miles driven and the GPS coordinates that Daniel was headed to the 2nd well site at that time.

The 8:13am call to Ken was Daniel getting the go ahead to go to the 2nd well site, the 8:16am mile IQ trip start from the 1st well site is Daniel headed that way after the call. The 8:35 car start and turnaround is after talking with Stephen Noel.

The mention of Stephen Noel is also strange in the police report. As far as i can tell if they did question Stephen it didn't make it on the report and there are 2 texts to Stephen from Daniel that are redacted, which is strange. Daniel's other supervisor Kevin was contacted, was Stephen? He is the main boss and was the last person to actually talk to Daniel before Ken.

Stephens son is Peter Noel, who is the Vice President of Ken's company webber water resources.

The police also would have talked to Stephen about these phone calls, Stephen would have explained it.

Let me pull up my old stuff and incorporate your more detailed INFOTAINMENT data. I roughly have him going from Verrado to W. Baseline and MC85 but ended up with some extra miles.

 

[JJ Ray]

Let me pull up my old stuff and incorporate your more detailed INFOTAINMENT data. I roughly have him going from Verrado to W. Baseline and MC85 but ended up with some extra miles.

The thing about my theory is that it doesn't matter where Daniel's jeep entered the ravine because i think it was planted later. So Billy seeing it where he says would still line up with the mileage on the car at that time.

Whoever planted it in the ravine, if they did, could have come from any angle. If you do have photos that would be awesome because I believe you. Jeff McGrath also shows us where Daniel's Jeep entered the ravine in this video-(5:00 TIMESTAMP)

Missing geologist 'was obsessed with a woman he barely knew'

Missing geologist Daniel Robinson was obsessed with a woman he barely knew and disappeared just hours after sending her a desperate final text message, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

god I thought I was over this stuff....

 

[Bluedreamer]

god I thought I was over this stuff....

The miles for my route add up to the decimal point of what the infotainment mileage shows-

The mileage needed for this route adds up to the DECIMAL POINT of what was on Daniel's Jeep Renegade between 7:22am and 9:00am. The mileage even includes the turnaround Daniel would have had to go to after his call with Stephen because SVP has a median.

 

[AZShamus]

If it's not glass from the car window and its not from the sunroof then where did it come from and why is it there?
In my opinion the only reason would be because the jeep was crashed somewhere else where the window broke and the glass on the ground is meant to cover that, except they used the wrong glass.

The glass is from the drivers side door. I know that because the etching was traced back to Chrysler/Jeep. I actually still have it. Some glass is still the site as of today.

 

[Bluedreamer]

The glass is from the drivers side door. I know that because the etching was traced back to Chrysler/Jeep. I actually still have it. Some glass is still the site as of today.

This is the kind of stuff you need to be able to source in order to post, do you have something like that?

It's not that I don't believe you, but saying it was traced back to chrysler Jeep when there is no mention of that anywhere online is really interesting information.

 

[Bluedreamer]

The glass is from the drivers side door. I know that because the etching was traced back to Chrysler/Jeep. I actually still have it. Some glass is still the site as of today.

Just to be clear, you are saying David is lying right? Here is the video- (22:50 TIMESTAMP)

This video was released in 2024, so not too long ago, i dont know when the last time you worked on this case was. David has the Jeep in his possession as well as both kinds of glass and he is saying they aren't the same.

So you are saying David is lying about this right? Not that he is remembering wrong, but lying? You believe his PI didn't say that and he is lying about that to?

EDIT- It should be noted that David said that it didn't come from a Jeep Renegades window, not that it didn't come from any chrysler/jeep model.