AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[AZShamus]

This is the kind of stuff you need to be able to source in order to post, do you have something like that?

It's not that I don't believe you, but saying it was traced back to chrysler Jeep when there is no mention of that anywhere online is really interesting information.

I was not so much into looking for and debunking the misinformation online as my time was dedicated to the search efforts. In fact I believe your comment about planted glass is the first time I’ve had the opportunity to mention it.

The broken glass maintained its general square shape on the rocks for a good part of the initial months into the search efforts. Some people on site questioned where it came from so a group of us pulled the etching and traced it to confirm. Not much else to report on that.

As far as a source, I still have the glass.

 

[GreatAgain]

No i mean every single Jeep that crashes and then drives afterwards, like 11 miles, would go on the odometer as the Jeep moved but not on the CDR data(because it was after the crash) and not on the infotainment system because they pulled the data without starting the jeep again.

So yes, Jeep would say thats normal, but not for the reasons Buckeye Pd thinks.

There are also no other tracks besides the ones leading into the ravine, no tracks trying to get out, anywhere.

Daniel's Jeep Renegade also has Active drive II, which wouldn't really allow the Jeeps tires to move if they aren't touching the ground.

Wow that's a really interesting point about the active drive feature...

 

[Bluedreamer]

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In my opinion the water theory is almost perfect for every aspect of the case. It explains why Buckeye PD did what they did, why they pushed so hard to ignore the 11 miles driven after the 1st accident, why Police Chief Larry Hall was made a Deputy City Manager the same month the well site on Verrado way was sold to the City of Buckeye. It explains almost all of the weird inconsistencies surrounding the case in my opinion.

The Buckeye Water model was being finished the same time Daniel went missing and was then buried from the public, the city of Buckeye denied every knowing it existed. If Daniel comes forward they wouldn't have been able to say that. If Daniel refuses to approve wells then SW Groundwater would lose contracts, like the WEST PARK PROJECT. The original owner of the well was named WEST PARK WATER LLC and the well isn't far from the West Park project-

Westpark

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[Bluedreamer]

Daniel collected the samples. He wasn’t creating the models and determining what wells to approve.

What do you think those samples showed? Do you think since the Buckeye water model showed there wasn't enough water then Daniel's samples might have shown that at the verrado site? All of these sites in verrado are pulling from the same underground aquifers, they are all incorporated into the model.

The underground aquifer in Buckeye, Arizona is the primary source of water for the city. The aquifer is part of the Hassayampa Sub-Basin, which is located in the Basin and Range aquifers. The Hassayampa Sub-Basin is part of the Buckeye water model.

https://www.buckeyeaz.gov/Home/Components/News/News/2174/18

We also know Daniel went to this same well site 2 other times before the 23rd, and in between those times he was seen at the office. Roger said it didn't seem like he was in a good mood. At one point he even left carrying a box(Samples?) and didn't say goodbye. Roger also said it was unusual to see Daniel in the office at all.

In my opinion this could be Daniel letting them know those wells were no good and them telling him to approve them anyways. Again just theories, but they fit very nicely.

Edit- I want to add that Ken said he stayed at the 2nd well site to get a reading of how far down the well water was. This is the exact kind of stuff that Daniel could have also done at the Verrado site, and Daniel could have realized that the water table was too low, like the Buckeye water model ultimately showed. Ken gives this information on the Never seen again episode-

"Never Seen Again" Daniel Robinson (TV Episode 2022) ⭐ 7.7 | Documentary, Drama

Daniel Robinson: Directed by Josh Allen. Geologist Daniel Robinson abruptly leaves a job site in the Arizona desert. Searchers discover his SUV and clothes, but what happened to Daniel?

www.imdb.com

 

[mlhenn]

Details on missing Daniel Robinson case made public by Buckeye Police, investigation continues

The Buckeye Police Department released an updated missing persons report for geologist Daniel Robinson who disappeared in June 2021. In the updated report, investigators released information not yet previously made public.

www.fox10phoenix.com

• Buckeye police investigated a sighting reported by an individual who claimed to have had a brief encounter with Daniel in the Hassayampa river bottom the day he went missing. Digital evidence from Daniel’s vehicle systems and electronic devices does not align with information provided by the reporting party.

 

[Bluedreamer]

Details on missing Daniel Robinson case made public by Buckeye Police, investigation continues

The Buckeye Police Department released an updated missing persons report for geologist Daniel Robinson who disappeared in June 2021. In the updated report, investigators released information not yet previously made public.

www.fox10phoenix.com

• Buckeye police investigated a sighting reported by an individual who claimed to have had a brief encounter with Daniel in the Hassayampa river bottom the day he went missing. Digital evidence from Daniel’s vehicle systems and electronic devices does not align with information provided by the reporting party.

Yes and they are wrong in my opinion. They don't think it aligns because they haven't acknowledged that the Jeep started at 12:54pm. You can all figure this data out yourselves, its easy to do so. It's just math and how the infotainment system stores data. Anyone is welcome to debunk the 12:54pm start time and 11 miles, but It hasn't been done yet.

Do you know what is really easy to debunk? Buckeye PD's explanation on the police report about how the 11 miles got on the vehicle. I'm not stating that part as an opinion, its a fact based on how a Jeeps response system works and how an electronic odometer stores data, which i went over and sourced in my previous posts.

If the Jeep started at 12:54pm and drove 11 miles then the vehicle systems would align with the information provided by the reporting party.

The device they are talking about is Daniel's phone, and since it was by the ravine at around 10:00-10:32am it does line up with Billy's first sighting and it lines up with the GPS coordinates he gave that are in the police report.

I believe the phone was left in the ravine after the first crash by it around 10:00-10:32am, so yeah the MILE IQ wouldn't have recorded the 2nd sighting Billy had because his phone wasn't with his vehicle anymore. The infotainment system does line up with vehicle starting at 12:54pm and driving 11 miles, with Billy's 2nd sighting and coordinates being 3 miles south as noted in the police report.

This is also why the Jeep was brought back in my opinion, because Daniel's phone was there.

 

[mlhenn]

We have seen other cases where a person goes missing after a crash. Sometimes the remains are not found for a year or more - and may even be close to the initial crash. Sometimes the remains have not been found.

I think his father is so extremely loyal, determined, and a wonderful parent. I do wish that he would admit that his son may have been having mental health issues at the time he disappeared. Being honest about the situation is important. My son is 21 and had a mental health break. If you talked to him briefly, you would think he was normal and everything is fine. But, if you spent a little more time with him, you could see that things just didn't connect in this thought patterns. When everything came to a head, he was pulled over by police and put in jail because of reckless driving (basically). No drugs or alcohol in the car. But, when he was "evaluated" by a jail psychologist, she said he was "just a drug user/abuser". However, when we were finally able to get him in to an inpatient facility, he has either bi-polar or schizoaffective disorder. Once he was medicated for that, his thought patterns and verbal responses make a lot more sense. I can tell you that if he had crashed his vehicle and lived, he would have likely wandered off in an unknown direction.

Talking about Daniel, this is Arizona in the middle of the summer, in the desert. Very hot! Heat, mental health issues, confusion, dehydration... Add all of these things together, and I fear that he may still be out there but has not yet been found. I honestly think this was a storm that came together. IMVHO, I think Daniel is out there and there is no foul play. I really, really hope they find him for his family's sake. I just don't see a dark side to this story, just a very, very sad story!

I was scanning back over Daniel’s thread and came across this post again.
I AGREE.

 

[Bluedreamer]

I was scanning back over Daniel’s thread and came across this post again.
I AGREE.

I think most of the mental health issues Daniel was struggling with before he went missing had to do with his job, so yeah i do agree he was acting off in the days before he went missing.

Lets take a look at the day before Daniel disappeared.

At 3:07pm on June 22nd, 2021 Daniel texted Katelyn-

"The world can get better, but I'll have to take all the time I can, or we can, whatever to name it. I'll either see you again or never see you again."

In my opinion that texts reads like Daniel is about to do something to make the world better or something to that effect. If this text was the only thing Daniel did on June 22nd that'd be one thing, but it is what he did after this that is alarming.

At 4:21pm on June 22nd, 2021 Daniel texted his sister-

"ITS AN EMERGENCY"

This is an hour after his text to Katelyn, so something must have triggered Daniel to send that message. He hasn't really talked to his sister that much about Katelyn so I don't see how it could be about that. We also know in the previous few work days Daniel had worked until 4pm. Meaning he might have sent that original text to Katelyn while he was at work and then texted the emergency text as soon as he got off.

Then a short time later Daniel was seen without his Jeep at a waffle-house 4 miles from his apartment. The waitress said he wasn't acting like himself and one person even commented that he was acting paranoid and sweating profusely. Remember Daniel went to work the next morning so it's not like he was having a mental break right then. He even did INSTACART later on that night.

Daniel left the waffle-house and his sister was at his house when he got home, he told her it was a false alarm.

I think whatever Daniel did between 3:07pm and 4:21pm scared him so texted his sister SOS, then after calming down at the waffle-house he went home. Maybe this was when Daniel was going to go to someone with his findings but they shut him down, I'm not sure. I'm also wondering where Daniel's Jeep was and how he got to the waffle-house.

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[Sherlock1842]

nor did I. About late Oct. through x-mas of that year, it became necessary to share with a VERY small number of people still involved in search and recovery efforts in order to better understand David's on-going behavior and to evaluate our continued commitment. That's where I began phasing out...moved on to Benjamin Anderson, Roberta "Bobby" Braden, and an accidental drowning issue.

Are those cases on Websleuths? I’ll have to check them out.

 

[Sherlock1842]

I want to add onto this post a little bit. In it I have my theory of the actual route i think Daniel took after leaving the 2nd well site. I don't believe he went down to the rock quarry area before ending up by the ravine, I think he went around using this route-
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There is another reason i don't think he went by the rock quarry and that's because of a 2nd gate that I believe is located here-
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Correct me if that's not a gate but if you zoom in it sure looks like one. David also mentions that Daniel would have had to open another gate to go by the rock quarry in some of his lives.

In my opinion Daniel wouldn't have gotten out to open a gate to head further south when he could have just turned right instead. He might also think the area beyond the gate is private property, no need to go that way if there is an open road right next to it.

The route through the wash that i have lines up much better with the data. The 23.6 miles, the 30mph at the time of airbag deployment and Billy's witness account.

Does anyone know if Ken ever said he followed Daniel's tracks through that gate?

Bluedreamer in all of your research did you find anything…odd… about Ken or his story? Absolutely NOT saying he’s involved, just wondering if some things I read that he said hit anyone else as weird.

 

[Sherlock1842]

So Daniel pulls over and calls Stephen Noel back, whatever Stephen told him caused him to turn around and head for that 2nd gas station. Did Stephen have him picking something up? After stopping at the 2nd gas station Daniel then heads back up Sun valley parkway to the 2nd well site.

Is there any chance he picked up someone?

 

[Bluedreamer]

Bluedreamer in all of your research did you find anything…odd… about Ken or his story? Absolutely NOT saying he’s involved, just wondering if some things I read that he said hit anyone else as weird.

Is there any chance he picked someone up.

In regards to Daniel picking someone up, i thought about that as well. (Daniel shutting off his own Bluetooth after 7:12am at the 1st well site had me questioning this too.) I don't know why Daniel would have turned around after talking to Stephen just to stop a gas station again for his own personal reasons. There is also a small private airport(mostly for agriculture, but it does have private charters) right across the street from that 2nd gas station which is in the very least, interesting. But who would he pick up? And why wouldn't Ken mention it if he did? Right now I think him picking someone up is a stretch, but possible.

I don't understand why Stephen isn't mentioned more in the police report and it's weird how they say that can't figure out where Daniel went from 8:16am to 9:00am when its easy to figure out. Stephen probably would have said something about that call at 8:35am.

Ken is a pump Technician for Weber water resources, interestingly enough, Stephens son was a project manager of Weber water resources when Daniel went missing, he is now the Vice President of operations.

When it comes to Ken, I really believe he has to be telling at least some version of the truth. In order for the miles on the infotainment system to line up with Daniel being by the ravine at 10:02am like his MILE IQ on his phone app showed then he would have had to stop at the 2nd well site first. This is regardless of whether or not you are using the route I theorized about or the route police believe the Jeep took. I actually don't know how their route lines up with the 23.6 miles, I'm going to have to check on that.

All the other mileage stuff i have gone over lines up to the decimal point, It would make sense for this last one to as well and I'm thinking it can regardless of the route Daniel took.

There are a few problems with Ken's story, but I don't know if they are malicious or not, just interesting.

#1- Ken said he met with Daniel at the 2nd well site, they were there for 15 minutes and then Daniel drove away. The problem with that is Daniel's MILE IQ app on his phone, that had logged a stop every time Daniel stopped for more than 5 minutes that morning, didn't log a stop with Ken at the 2nd well site even though Ken said he was there for 15 minutes.

I can look past this discrepancy. When David interviews Ken he says that Ken actually met Daniel at the 2nd well site gate and that they drove in from there. If Daniel spent a few minutes at the gate waiting for Ken, then a few minutes driving, then a few minutes at the well site then It wouldn't record the MILE IQ stop and it'd still be around 15 minutes like Ken said.

#2- Ken said multiple times in the NEVER SEEN AGAIN interview that Daniel walked over to his Jeep, started it and drove away from the job site. The problem with that is there are no infotainment logs showing Daniel's Jeep started during that time. The last 2 logs are at 9:06am when Daniel's Jeep Renegade starts at the 2nd gas station and at 12:54pm where i believe it started by the ravine. There are no ignitions for when Ken said Daniel started his Jeep and drove away at around 9:45am.

I can look past this discrepancy too. Ken is just retelling a story on air months after the fact, this could be just an easy mistake, assuming Daniel started his Jeep. We also know Daniel left his jeep running at the 1st well site for over 40 minutes so it wouldn't be a stretch to say he left it on for 15 with Ken.

This next one someone just sent to me recently and I found it more interesting than the previous two.

#3- In the police report, Detective Biffin reports that he asked Ken what he was wearing, with Ken telling him about Daniel's clothes and he also remarked that Daniel's shoes were untied. This detail is a little weird, It was raining that day pretty hard in some spots, I don't know why Daniel would want to drag his shoelaces through the mud and if you look at pictures inside the car it doesn't look like Daniel had muddy shoes and laces dirtying things up.

This detail really helps explain the Buckeye PD narrative of Daniel crashing his car into the ravine because one of Daniel's boots was found stuck underneath the vehicle when they found the Jeep. If Daniel's shoes were untied it'd be more believable that his boot ended up there. It's not really uncommon for shoes to come off peoples feet in an accident, but the inside of a Jeep Renegade underneath the steering wheel is extremely small.

I don't know if its anything at all and would probably dismiss it entirely if it wasn't for the theory I've gone over about the sunroof and boot being moved before CSI Prusick arrived on scene. When looked at in totality it's just another interesting detail about the case and how things could fit.

In summary, I believe Ken is telling a version of the truth, maybe the whole one. But maybe not. These are my opinions only, last time i checked David still thinks Kens story is extremely suspect.

What sticks out to you about his eyewitness account? I know about the "national" comment but I believe that has been sensationalized for the most part.

 

[Sherlock1842]

3- In the police report, Detective Biffin reports that he asked Ken what he was wearing, with Ken telling him about Daniel's clothes and he also remarked that Daniel's shoes were untied. This detail is a little weird, It was raining that day pretty hard in some spots, I don't know why Daniel would want to drag his shoelaces through the mud and if you look at pictures inside the car it doesn't look like Daniel had muddy shoes and laces dirtying things up.

That’s what hit me wrong, his descriptions were extremely specific. For example, in one article he said Daniel’s eyes looked dilated (or something specific about his eyes) and I wondered how and why he would have seen that. Then about the direction he went when he drove off he was really detailed about what’s in that direction and why he thought it was weird…. Like I said, I do not think he’s involved or lying or anything it just struck me as odd.

 

[Bluedreamer]

That’s what hit me wrong, his descriptions were extremely specific. For example, in one article he said Daniel’s eyes looked dilated (or something specific about his eyes) and I wondered how and why he would have seen that.

I watch him tell the story on video and i just come off believing him. In the never seen again episode and in the Disappeared episode. I'm not a FBI profiler but it doesn't seem like Ken is trying to conceal things during those interviews and he must have went on them voluntarily. I know i wouldn't be able to do that if i was lying, but some people can.

It's very possible he is also just telling a version of the truth and that's why its easier to get through, I'm just not sure. He does give weird details sometimes but if he was involved you'd think he would have said them from the very start instead of saying Daniel was normal and then started acting weird, do you know what i mean?

 

[Sherlock1842]

I watch him tell the story on video and i just come off believing him. In the never seen again episode and in the Disappeared episode. I'm not a FBI profiler but it doesn't seem like Ken is trying to conceal things during those interviews and he must have went on them voluntarily. I know i wouldn't be able to do that if i was lying, but some people can.

It's very possible he is also just telling a version of the truth and that's why its easier to get through, I'm just not sure. He does give weird details sometimes but if he was involved you'd think he would have said them from the very start instead of saying Daniel was normal and then started acting weird, do you know what i mean?

(I updated the response) I don’t think he’s involved or lying it just struck me as odd.

 

[Bluedreamer]

(I updated the response) I don’t think he’s involved or lying it just struck me as odd.

Yeah when you look at it as whole, Ken ended up telling us exactly where the Jeep ended up being and his testimony even helped explain the boot underneath the car.

He could be lying, telling half truths and things like that, I'd say I'm about 50/50 either way.

 

[TammyinVA]

Ok, still having the glass and saying you confirmed it is nice, we can all say things online without sourcing them, we can even make up documents, it's why were are required to use things like the police report and articles online when we talk about facts of the case and not just opinions. I don't think you are doing this but understand I can't take your word for it. And like i said, David said it didn't come from a Renegade, not that it didn't come from a Jeep/Chrysler.

Repeatedly posting videos of David "saying" things doesn't confirm any of what he says as facts.

 

[Bluedreamer]

Repeatedly posting videos of David "saying" things doesn't confirm any of what he says as facts.

No, those are just statements made by David, when I talk about what he said I'm not stating all of it as a fact, I'm stating it as his words and what i believe about them.

He was stating that he tested the glass himself, which is stating a fact and would need a source. Regarding that, I'm still interested in knowing what David said to him when he gave him those test results.

 

[Sherlock1842]

Repeatedly posting videos of David "saying" things doesn't confirm any of what he says as facts.

No, but it does confirm the fact that he did say it. That is important so people don’t say he said things or didn’t say things.

 

[TammyinVA]

No, those are just statements made by David, when I talk about what he said I'm not stating all of it as a fact, I'm stating it as his words and what i believe about them.

He was stating that he tested the glass himself, which is stating a fact and would need a source. Regarding that, I'm still interested in knowing what David said to him when he gave him those test results.

Or you could just ask David to share a copy of his test results for others to believe him, like you do. David just saying it tested a certain way isn't a source either other than to confirm he "said" it.