AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

  • #701
I'm very intrigued. Some would call this a complete conspiracy, but they'd be surprised how much corruption goes on right under their noses. I absolutely believe that someone made Daniel disappear to cover up this "SW Groundwater, town of Buckeye" operation. Who would his father contact about this, a lawyer? How can we find out more information? Has anything new happened since working with the Petito family? TIA
 
  • #702
  • #703
Daniel, as an entry-level hydrogeologist, would just be taking water levels (depth to water measurements) to caIibrate the model. He would not have any knowledge of the model results.

But your theory has merit. I know a geologist who was coring in a new mine area that was shot at (not injured) by local landowner. Not in AZ.

Even on 2025 there is still a "wild, wild, west" mentality in rural SW America.

I'm very intrigued. Some would call this a complete conspiracy, but they'd be surprised how much corruption goes on right under their noses. I absolutely believe that someone made Daniel disappear to cover up this "SW Groundwater, town of Buckeye" operation. Who would his father contact about this, a lawyer? How can we find out more information? Has anything new happened since working with the Petito family? TIA
I agree with all of these sentiments.

However, if something was done to Daniel by a person or group who is opposed to the potential development that Daniel's data collection might have been facilitating, I think there would be public controversy over the company's projects, even if no group took specific responsibility for his disappearance.

I haven't read about any such public controversy over what Daniel's company was working on -- has anyone else?
 
  • #704
  • #705
Collusion occurs when multiple parties lie. It appears Ken’s statements are inconsistent. Another coworker, RP, may have may untrue statements to police about his fathers death. While untruths may not implicate someone as a guilty party they may suggest a cover-up. When a cover-up exists, it is no longer a missing persons case. To get a criminal case instigated there must be evidence of criminal activity. If all parties are examined the totality of the evidence might warrant a status change if collusion appears to exist. Whatever witnesses said to police should have some corroboration. I am bothered that the witness in the desert, BH, the site co-worker, KE, and the office co-worker, RP, all said things to police that are in the report but that also have discrepancies. I would encourage others to look for independent corroboration and share what is discovered. It might become a tipping point that could impact investigation direction.
 
  • #706
something was done to Daniel by a person or group who is opposed to the potential development that Daniel's data collection might have been facilitating,

Unlike most of the time, in Daniel’s case I don’t immediately roll my eyes at a conspiracy theory. (I’ve seen Chinatown!)

That said, in re: a theory specifically involving water rights/development, I have to wonder why Daniel would be a target. As others have mentioned, he was essentially an entry-level hydrologist, taking measurements, but with no power to make decisions or influence anything. What would killing him, in the conspiracy scenario, accomplish?

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. The interactions with the girl he door-dashed make me think there was some sort of mental health thing going on; the desert is vast, the simplest explanation.

However, the discrepancies in witness statements, the weird Jeep evidence: the distance travelled, the ignition cycling, (allegedly) showing up in a place people or cows would have found it had it been there the whole time, the clothes strewn about…

There’s a strange undercurrent to this case I can’t quite put my finger on.
 
  • #707
Unlike most of the time, in Daniel’s case I don’t immediately roll my eyes at a conspiracy theory. (I’ve seen Chinatown!)

That said, in re: a theory specifically involving water rights/development, I have to wonder why Daniel would be a target. As others have mentioned, he was essentially an entry-level hydrologist, taking measurements, but with no power to make decisions or influence anything. What would killing him, in the conspiracy scenario, accomplish?

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. The interactions with the girl he door-dashed make me think there was some sort of mental health thing going on; the desert is vast, the simplest explanation.

However, the discrepancies in witness statements, the weird Jeep evidence: the distance travelled, the ignition cycling, (allegedly) showing up in a place people or cows would have found it had it been there the whole time, the clothes strewn about…

There’s a strange undercurrent to this case I can’t quite put my finger on.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I have directly experienced the public's anger directed toward low-level employees (hydrologist even! 😁) -- either because the angry public didn't understand that the decisions are only made by the bigwigs, or just treating everyone associated as a symbolic representation of the problem. Or maybe as a good way to scare the bigwigs or put other low-level folks in fear of doing their job.

That said, I don't really think that's what's in play here -- like I said, if that were the case I would have expected a lot of public antagonism against whatever that project was, and I've heard no hint of that. MOO though.
 
  • #708
Rural AZ is still very much the Wild Wild West. Having grown up in Maricopa County I would not be surprised to find out this was a murder cover-up.
I very much agree with you! I also lived in Arizona for 33 years, and I could definitely see this as a possibility.
 
  • #709
New paywalled article at DM:

"Police were stumped when my son vanished in the Arizona desert... now my investigation has uncovered the remains of at least seven people"


PS - IMOO DoorDash is being used as cover for drug dealing. And Buckeye and Goodyear, AZ, are tied to drug smuggling, kind of where Mexican cartels meet Aryans for further distribution. DEA article re: Bryson Gill


I am fascinated by the theories proposed on thread.
 
  • #710
New paywalled article at DM:

"Police were stumped when my son vanished in the Arizona desert... now my investigation has uncovered the remains of at least seven people"


PS - IMOO DoorDash is being used as cover for drug dealing. And Buckeye and Goodyear, AZ, are tied to drug smuggling, kind of where Mexican cartels meet Aryans for further distribution. DEA article re: Bryson Gill


I am fascinated by the theories proposed on thread.
Yes, this case really is so fascinating. Even more so as I've roamed these desert areas as a young person in my 4-wheeler. Always seemed caln and spiritual out there in the desert. I'd love to see this solved.
 
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  • #712
As opposed to others, I AM a conspiracy theorist- and my conspiracy theories are Top Shelf, hand-crafted and small batch.
I do not have one for this case, but I wanted to speak on the argument that there would be more public opposition if Daniel were killed due to his job as a hydrogeologist.

Quo Vadis? Who benefits?

I ask because in Google Mapping you can see, at the job site and vehicle location, the infrastructure being laid for a succession of housing developments. As noted up- thread the availability of water is the single main obstacle to new housing developments. Which is to say Daniel was in a position to terminate projects worth tens of millions of dollars based solely on the power of a Geology degree.

I am not accusing anyone and I don't have a conspiracy theory here, but if he were murdered due to his job the canny murderer would do so before the whistleblower could speak. You aren't looking at angry public, you are looking at insider with knowledge of Daniel's day to day findings and a financial interest in the success of the site development.

(Incidentally, whistleblowing would also explain why someone dragged everything out of the truck because Scientists keep notebooks.

Said truck was on its side at the time with an intact windshield but open driver side window.

Climbing down in and out of the driver side window to get all of those materials out would be hard for the hypothetical murderer... But easier than for Daniel, who ostensibly was injured in the crash and was also born missing most of one arm. )
 
  • #713
As opposed to others, I AM a conspiracy theorist- and my conspiracy theories are Top Shelf, hand-crafted and small batch.
I do not have one for this case, but I wanted to speak on the argument that there would be more public opposition if Daniel were killed due to his job as a hydrogeologist.

Quo Vadis? Who benefits?

I ask because in Google Mapping you can see, at the job site and vehicle location, the infrastructure being laid for a succession of housing developments. As noted up- thread the availability of water is the single main obstacle to new housing developments. Which is to say Daniel was in a position to terminate projects worth tens of millions of dollars based solely on the power of a Geology degree.

I am not accusing anyone and I don't have a conspiracy theory here, but if he were murdered due to his job the canny murderer would do so before the whistleblower could speak. You aren't looking at angry public, you are looking at insider with knowledge of Daniel's day to day findings and a financial interest in the success of the site development.

(Incidentally, whistleblowing would also explain why someone dragged everything out of the truck because Scientists keep notebooks.

Said truck was on its side at the time with an intact windshield but open driver side window.

Climbing down in and out of the driver side window to get all of those materials out would be hard for the hypothetical murderer... But easier than for Daniel, who ostensibly was injured in the crash and was also born missing most of one arm. )
I was the one (or one of those) who mentioned thinking there would have been more public objection to the project if it was contentious enough that someone killed Daniel over it. I still think that, though I accept I could be wrong.

However I wholeheartedly disagree that Daniel was in any position to terminate or implement any change to the project! He was a novice employee, doing the low-level work of monitoring/data collector. If he had simply quit the job, that would not stop the project, heck, probably wouldn't even slow it down. Someone else would have simply been sent to do the monitoring or data collecting.

The actual developer, or maaaayyyybe possibly the project manager at the hydrogeology company, would have been the appropriate place for public disapproval to be directed. As I've said in earlier posts, I definitely do understand (and have personal experience with) angry public taking it out on low level employees, but that's more of a road rage/lashing out than an actual attempt to halt the project. The only exception I can think of is trying to scare the power brokers by harming an entry level employee.

MOO
 
  • #714
  • #715

According to this article:
•Buckeye police detectives uncovered location data in Daniel's cell phone which placed the device at the crash site on the morning he disappeared.

•McGrath discovered that someone besides the police went into Daniel’s room after the disappearance. This person not only ransacked Daniel's closet but also gained access to his laptop, David said.
 
  • #716
Unlike most of the time, in Daniel’s case I don’t immediately roll my eyes at a conspiracy theory. (I’ve seen Chinatown!)

That said, in re: a theory specifically involving water rights/development, I have to wonder why Daniel would be a target. As others have mentioned, he was essentially an entry-level hydrologist, taking measurements, but with no power to make decisions or influence anything. What would killing him, in the conspiracy scenario, accomplish?

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. The interactions with the girl he door-dashed make me think there was some sort of mental health thing going on; the desert is vast, the simplest explanation.

However, the discrepancies in witness statements, the weird Jeep evidence: the distance travelled, the ignition cycling, (allegedly) showing up in a place people or cows would have found it had it been there the whole time, the clothes strewn about…

There’s a strange undercurrent to this case I can’t quite put my finger on.

The desert is eerie. It plays tricks on you and is a formidable opponent, especially if the person encountering it is already in the throes of some kind of mental health event.

The weird Jeep evidence and the strewn clothes make me think some kind of disorientation. Several witnesses state he was "acting strangely" right before he went missing. The SIM card in his phone was missing. He had gone to that one woman's house several times, despite her attempts to discourage him. Sounds a bit like mania? He was at the right age for onset.

I tend to believe he destroyed his own SIM card and wiped his own phone, perhaps while manic.

Did he destroy his own SIM card to prevent detection of many calls made to this woman? For many people suffering from bipolar (or similar), there are moments of lucidity and it's a very painful state to be in (hence the rate of suicidal behaviors).

If he went off into the desert to die over this "lost love interest," she must now feel terrible, even though he was being inappropriate.

I can't remember now if they found any evidence that he had water with him.
 
  • #717
48 ignition cycles after the crash. Why would he try to start the car as many times, or even at all, if it’s on it’s side? Does that make any sense to anyone?
Only in the context of psychosis. I have a family member who is bipolar. He managed to drive my car into a bog (long story) and kept trying to start the engine and drive it out. At the time, we didn't know he was bipolar. I was just super mad and thought maybe he was overly tired.

After we were extracted by some helpful teenagers, he went completely mute. I thought he was just embarrassed. He was eventually hospitalized after his behavior got even more stranger (and he remained mute for days and days after the car event, up until and including the event that got police involved and got him hospitalized). He had abandoned his own car in an unknown place at the time, and then his own bicycle.

He doesn't remember any of this, so it's a profound disconnect with reality.

IMO
 
  • #718
According to this article:
•Buckeye police detectives uncovered location data in Daniel's cell phone which placed the device at the crash site on the morning he disappeared.

It also says that aerial (helicopter and Civil Air Patrol) searches were conducted on 25 June and 9 July, and that the Jeep was eventually found “less than 3 miles” from the job site.

The news article seems to take its timeline from here:


That link includes a map under the 9 July heading for aerial searches. It doesn’t otherwise comment on the map itself, but it seems to show the area searched (which includes where the Jeep was found.)
 
  • #719
  • #720
Only in the context of psychosis. I have a family member who is bipolar. He managed to drive my car into a bog (long story) and kept trying to start the engine and drive it out. At the time, we didn't know he was bipolar. I was just super mad and thought maybe he was overly tired.

After we were extracted by some helpful teenagers, he went completely mute. I thought he was just embarrassed. He was eventually hospitalized after his behavior got even more stranger (and he remained mute for days and days after the car event, up until and including the event that got police involved and got him hospitalized). He had abandoned his own car in an unknown place at the time, and then his own bicycle.

He doesn't remember any of this, so it's a profound disconnect with reality.

IMO
This reminds me of a younger woman who was featured on Unsolved Mysteries. I do not recall her name, but she got her car stuck at least twice. During the first event they believe she had a mental health episode and needed some help recovering. She was doing well until she agin got her car stuck. They found her car but not her and speculated that the inability to get her car unstuck caused her to have another event. She disappeared and she not been located that I am aware of.
 

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