• #841
And welcome to Websleuths, @truthmattersnot.
Thank you! I've actually had this account for over a year i just don't post much.

f you do keyword search using the magnifying glass search icon and "coworker" and search "this thread," there has been some discussion of this (his behavior that day).

I know what has been said between the coworker and Daniel, but it doesn't change the fact that Daniel was acting normal that whole morning, up until a few seconds before he drove off, according to that coworker.

Even the police report has the coworker saying nothing Daniel did made him seem like he was under the influence of drugs or having a mental health crisis. There was no evidence of any drugs in Daniels car either, and marijuana was a recreational drug in Arizona, it was regulated. I find the tainted weed story the PI floated to be a stretch.

I smoke weed, i have some mental health problems, it doesn't make go crazy. Especially randomly while I'm at work with no evidence of me smoking in the car.
 
  • #842
Im really at a loss. If we believe it was foul play, we'd need a motive and suspect(s). The search would then turn to a search of properties or dumps (which would be almost not successful as so much time has passed). If we believe he was suicidal then I guess the search of the desert where his jeep was found would be logical, it is baffling he/his body has not been located. Such a sadness for his family. Really do hope there mystery is solved one day.
 
  • #843
I know what has been said between the coworker and Daniel, but it doesn't change the fact that Daniel was acting normal that whole morning, up until a few seconds before he drove off, according to that coworker.
Do we know that he was acting normal that entire morning?
 
  • #844
JMO!
This case has seen numerous theories and they range from one extreme to the other. Some theories seem more plausible, sure. The possibilities of what happened to Daniel that day are endless. While I think it’s very productive to discuss theories etc, I also think it’s important to keep the actually facts in mind.
 
  • #845
JMO!
This case has seen numerous theories and they range from one extreme to the other. Some theories seem more plausible, sure. The possibilities of what happened to Daniel that day are endless. While I think it’s very productive to discuss theories etc, I also think it’s important to keep the actually facts in mind.
I'm not going to get into theories myself, I'll leave that to other sleuthers.

Daniel made and received multiple calls that morning including a long call with the main boss. He was taking photos of the well logs and was where he was supposed to be that morning up until he drove off.

There is no evidence suggesting Daniel was acting anything but normal up until right before he left the second well site. Speculating that he was unwell, when his own coworker said he seemed normal and no one else that morning reported anything unusual, isn't something I'd feel comfortable doing.

I'd actually much rather go back to talking about Daniel's sock, I'd like to know how other people think it might have gotten there. That's something i don't feel bad speculating about.
 
  • #846
What happened to him? If he ran from car in disoriented state i am sure they would found him or his remains. He couldn’t go far away..
 
  • #847
If he ran from car in disoriented state i am sure they would found him. He couldn’t gone far away. They started searching for him very fast. Its weird . Same case with Jason laudry dry, Briana Maitland, Brice Laspisa, Jamison Family.
 
  • #848
If he ran from car in disoriented state i am sure they would found him. He couldn’t gone far away. They started searching for him very fast. Its weird . Same case with Jason laudry dry, Briana Maitland, Brice Laspisa, Jamison Family.
You would think so, him being naked with no shoes on running around the desert. From google earths perspective there are a bunch of buildings out there, power lines and dirt roads.

How far can a naked guy in 100 degree heat with no water get? I actually think its kind of laughable to think he just wondered off naked, far enough away to where nobody has found him yet, even though there has been something like 100 searches, developments being built and regular people in that area every single day. Searchers also aren't working in wooded area where a body would be easily concealed, quite the opposite really.

Then you have to also think to yourself, when Daniel left the 2nd well site, it was only around 15 minutes until his Jeep crashed. So your telling me, Daniel waved goodbye to Ken, drove for 15 minutes into a ravine, took his clothes off and wandered away? In 15 minutes? No evidence anyone was hurt in the crash, despite police saying Daniel may have had a head injury.

Also, why didn't Ken follow the tracks to the scene of the accident if it was so close and he was already following the tracks to start? Also, if Ken followed the tracks and told police he did, then they could have easily followed them the rest of the way to the ravine, from google earth it seems like its less than a mile or so from where Ken said he stopped searching, that is crazy and frankly unbelievable.
 
  • #849
Lot to chew on there, @Bluedreamer . You make a cogent argument.

That said, I was just reading this (don’t think it’s been posted):


It goes into more detail about the weeks prior to his disappearance and apparent mental health issues. On the one hand, this is the simplest explanation.

On another hand, there are the strange anomalies, the Jeep and the infamous restarts, the rancher who claims it wasn’t in that ravine a few days prior to discovery, the phone calls that morning (which could’ve been something like “I’m quitting”/cries for help/etc; I don’t think we know the contents, do we?)

On the third hand, the kind of corporate conspiracy you’re suggesting as an alternative hypothesis, while possible, also opens up more questions than we can answer or reasonably speculate upon. He calls his supervisor’s supervisor, who happens to know a “fixer”, available on short notice. This fixer is somehow able to get to Buckeye and find Daniel after he leaves the well site at 9am and then <something occurs>. But they leave his phone with the Jeep (why not take it? Easy enough to assume the missing Daniel took it with him, or maybe it got thrown out during the collision and lost in the sands.). Why go rifle through his home computer after he was reported missing (and not just go grab it same day?) Etc.

So while I do think you make a logical argument based on reasonable speculation, I just don’t see how the actual mechanics of such a scheme would work.
If we are talking criminal conspiracy, Conspirator A doesn't call a 'fixer', he calls Conspirator B- the one who knows the job site, has the military background and local government influence?

Him. Conspirator A calls him. (Maybe Conspurator B's security detail, as at a certain level of playing field there are Staff.)

Follow the money- geology firm is not making enough in consulting fees to justify falcifying the well Log. In order to justify that, someone was making $. Look for them, not an unnescessary fixer, who would have just bribed Daniel like so many others.

This? Viral True Crime Looky-lou Disappearance? Is amateur night. A real fixer would never.
 
  • #850
If we are talking criminal conspiracy, Conspirator A doesn't call a 'fixer', he calls Conspirator B- the one who knows the job site, has the military background and local government influence?

Him. Conspirator A calls him. (Maybe Conspurator B's security detail, as at a certain level of playing field there are Staff.)

Follow the money- geology firm is not making enough in consulting fees to justify falcifying the well Log. In order to justify that, someone was making $. Look for them, not an unnescessary fixer, who would have just bribed Daniel like so many others.

This? Viral True Crime Looky-lou Disappearance? Is amateur night. A real fixer would never.
I actually struggle with this part of the story and with what I believe happened. In my opinion, the jeep was staged, i think the data, when read correctly, proves that. But I still don't know how it happened or who did it, and i really have no idea how it went down. That being said, i think it's kind of crazy that more people don't seriously look at what Daniel was doing workwise when he disappeared.

The Verrado well should not have qualified for high-capacity withdrawal. It relied on data from 2007–2009, even though its own testing came in at roughly half the performance of those older results, that's a verifiable fact. The Verrado well alone is worth around 20-30 million dollars based on those tainted withdrawal rates. If they were relying on data from 11-14 years prior, what would Daniel’s testing have shown that day in 2021?

Here’s the sequence of events the morning Daniel was at the Verrado well-


  • Daniel arrives at the Verrado well
  • Immediately takes a photo of the lithology logs
  • Calls the head of the Arizona branch, not his direct supervisor
  • Stays on that call for eight minutes
  • Disappears a few hours later
  • logs are completed the very next day, without him
If your looking at this in the lens of foul play, and this is just theory. Daniel has been testing that well for the past week or so that we know of. He gets there on the 23rd, notices someone changed his lithology logs, so he calls the main boss to talk about, who spends 8 minutes telling him everything is ok and explaining that this is how it is.

If someone did get to Daniel that day, I don’t know who it was, I don’t even have a guess. But I do believe someone did. There’s too much smoke in this case for there to be no fire. If Daniel’s tests came back negative, someone could have been facing a loss of 20 to 30 million dollars. And with the Buckeye water model about to be released, while it was actually being finalized in June of 2021, the same month Daniel disappeared, there wouldn’t have been time to pivot to another option. This was also happening during a push to secure as many well approvals as possible before that model came out and restricted future extraction. If they couldn’t control Daniel at the Verrado well, he would become a problem at others.
 
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  • #851
Would you happen to have a link to this particular photo? I’m unable to view it on your post.
I googled "missing black man buckeye map" and saw several maps regarding the case
 
  • #852
Hey everyone, I have something kind of newish that i want to go over, some of this stuff we've been over before but the new detail is interesting when it's all put together.

I somehow missed this release back in 2021 but was made aware of it recently, it has to do with the Pinal Active Management Area, where Matrix New World was also trying to help them get well approvals in the area around the time Daniel disappeared-


This update from ADWR was delivered on June 28, 2021, five days after Daniel disappeared. The statement said that Matrix New World Engineering had submitted a groundwater model on behalf of the Pinal Stakeholder Group, attempting to challenge ADWR's own findings about groundwater availability. ADWR acknowledged it was a good faith effort but rejected it, specifically citing depth-to-water exceedances among other problems and refused to move forward with any assured water supply applications based on Matrix's model.

While that update was made public on June 28th, this had been an ongoing back and forth between ADWR and Matrix for months. Matrix knew well before June 28th that ADWR was rejecting their depth modeling.

I've been going through ADWR Well Registry document 55-233391, the official record for the NARW3 at Verrado Way in Buckeye. This is the well Daniel was working on the day he disappeared.

The well design submitted by Matrix in November 2021 showed a total depth of 920 feet. The final approved design dated March 2022 showed 970 feet. The actual drilled depth recorded in the boring log is 1,200 feet, deeper than what was designed and approved. Arizona has additional regulatory requirements for high capacity wells exceeding 1,000 feet, and the preliminary design that kept it just under that, ended up 200 feet past it.

Matrix was simultaneously being told by ADWR that their depth modeling in Pinal was unreliable, while operating a well in Buckeye that exceeded its own approved depth by over 200 feet and crossed the 1,000 foot high capacity threshold. Daniel was the hydro-geologist in the field going over this data.

Matrix calculated the aquifer parameters for this well by averaging transmissivity data from 2 others. Those comparison wells were tested in 2007-2009 by Southwest Groundwater, which was Stephen Noel's previous company before he was merged with Matrix. Noel was Daniel's direct supervisor. So the data used to justify drilling this well to maximum depth came from Noel's own previous firm, used by Noel's current firm, on a project Noel's firm was being paid to design and permit.

The boring logs for this well covers a start date of June 9, 2021 through a finish date of June 24, 2021. Daniel disappeared on June 23rd. Lithology logs document exactly what the formation looks like below 1,000 feet, the sand and gravel zones, clay layers, water bearing zones. This is evidence that either supports or contradicts the aquifer model used to permit the well.

The morning he disappeared Daniel arrived at the site, photographed well logs according to the police report, called Stephen Noel and spoke for 8 minutes, and disappeared a few hours later. The boring log in the submitted ADWR record was finalized the day after Daniel vanished. Someone completed and certified that record after he disappeared.

There is also a discrepancy in the water level data. The well design assumed an estimated static water level of 200 feet. The boring log recorded approximately 275 feet, a 75 foot difference.

If Daniel's field logs showed the formation at depth didn't match the model, that would be a significant problem.

well document is attached, but I've also shared the online source in previous messages.
 

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  • #853
Too many cases of people going missing in the desert and never being found despite extensive searching. :( Daniel seemed like such a bright young man and I feel terrible for his dad.

This case in particular is definitely fishy though and it seems like it could be foul play. No innocent explanation for the jeep not getting to the ravine for awhile and someone breaking into his apartment...
 
  • #854
Sorry @Bluedreamer but I do not see a conspiracy here. The well was designed with a total depth of less than a thousand feet, and the backfill below 1000 feet in the borehole is in the original well design submitted to adwr.

The well is screen is from 610 to 950 ft bgl through the silty sand and sandy gravel. The water level rises in the well casing due to hydraulic head above those units and the height of the water column above the top of the screened units will vary due to local pumping and or drought.

Also the fact that two different groundwater models don't agree is totally normal. This looks like a fantastic public supply well. Nothing to see here IMO.

I do not think that Daniel's disappearance had anything to do with groundwater policy or politics unless maybe a local landowner felt entitled to that water and held a grudge.

No matter what happened to him, Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time, may he rest in peace.
 
  • #855
Sorry @Bluedreamer but I do not see a conspiracy here. The well was designed with a total depth of less than a thousand feet, and the backfill below 1000 feet in the borehole is in the original well design submitted to adwr.

The well is screen is from 610 to 950 ft bgl through the silty sand and sandy gravel. The water level rises in the well casing due to hydraulic head above those units and the height of the water column above the top of the screened units will vary due to local pumping and or drought.

Also the fact that two different groundwater models don't agree is totally normal. This looks like a fantastic public supply well. Nothing to see here IMO.

I do not think that Daniel's disappearance had anything to do with groundwater policy or politics unless maybe a local landowner felt entitled to that water and held a grudge.

No matter what happened to him, Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time, may he rest in peace.

I appreciate the well thought out response, but in no way was that well a fantastic public supply well and the underlying data proves that.

On the depth question, the preliminary well design submitted in November 2020 showed a total depth of 920 feet. The final approved design showed 970 feet. The actual drilled depth recorded in the boring log is 1,200 feet. Whatever the backfill situation below 1,000 feet, the well was physically drilled 230 feet beyond the final approved design and 280 feet beyond the preliminary design. That discrepancy between what was approved and what was actually drilled is worth noting regardless of where the screen sits.

Is it normal to drill deeper than the approved design? I've been told it happens. Sometimes you drill deeper to find better water bearing zones, sometimes geological conditions require it, sometimes you're trying to understand what's down there before deciding where to set the screen.

But here's where it gets interesting in this specific case. If you drill 280 feet beyond your approved design, you generate lithology data for those extra 280 feet. That data exists whether you use it or not. Daniel was logging that lithology, all of it. Including whatever was found in those extra 280 feet below the approved cap depth. So even if the well itself is technically compliant on paper, the data generated by drilling those extra 280 feet could be inconvenient if it showed the formation at depth didn't match what the model predicted. That data doesn't automatically get submitted to ADWR. in 2023 when the new water model was released, that is exactly what is showed.

On the transmissivity data used to justify this well, Matrix calculated the aquifer parameters by averaging data from three North Airport Road wells. Two of those wells were tested in 2007-2009 by Southwest Groundwater, which was Stephen Noel's previous company before he moved to Matrix. Noel was Daniel's direct supervisor (Noel's son was also a project manager for Weber water resources, the company Ken Elliot, last person to see Daniel alive, worked for). Buckeye's population in 2007-2009 was approximately 30,000 people. It's now over 90,000. The aquifer demand in that area looks a lot different at 90,000 people than it did at 30,000. Using transmissivity data from a period of significantly lower demand to justify a major new public supply well serving a population three times larger is not a neutral technical choice. It produces a more optimistic picture of aquifer viability than current conditions would support, its fudging data to get approvals, legal or not.

On the two models not agreeing being normal, you're right that groundwater models routinely differ. What's not routine is ADWR specifically rejecting Matrix's Pinal AMA model and citing depth to water exceedances as one of the primary reasons. ADWR wasn't just saying the models disagreed. They were saying Matrix's model was projecting water availability at depths that don't hold up under scrutiny. I think that is pretty interesting, It's possible Matrix changed their strategies after the Pinal denial. That was the main point i was bringing up in my last post. Matrix having to try something else to get wells approved because whatever they did in Pinal county didn't work.

On the timing, the Phoenix AMA groundwater model that ADWR was finalizing in June 2021, the same month Daniel disappeared, was directly relevant to assured water supply determinations across the region. Had those findings been formally published and applied earlier, Its highly likely the well doesn't get approved. All new groundwater well extractions in the area were halted as soon as the water model was released. Again, it was being finalized in June of 2021 and then hidden from the public by the government until 2023 when Katie Hobbs forced its release.

On this being a fantastic public supply well, the data tells a different story. The well only pulled at 19,000 gallons per day, significantly below what would justify a high capacity well (2,000+ acre/FT) designed for major public supply. More importantly, the groundwater model that ADWR was finalizing in June 2021, the same month Daniel disappeared, would have made this well's approval extremely unlikely had it been in place. The model was showing the kind of depth exceedances and aquifer availability problems that directly applied to a well of this depth in this location. The well was approved in the window before those findings became official policy, even though the problems were already known and Daniel's tests would have also show those problems. That's not a coincidence of timing, that's the entire context in which Daniel was doing his work that morning. A well that wouldn't have passed scrutiny under the model being finalized while he was logging it is not a fantastic public supply well. It's a well that needed old data from 2007-09 to stay favorable, and Daniel was the person generating more data on the last morning anyone saw him alive.

Also want to add that if Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time that morning, it would have had to happened within 10-15 minutes of him leaving the 2nd well site, he would have had to throw his sock out his window during that trip before meeting whatever fate he did a few minutes later. I don't think that fate was a random wrong place wrong time moment.


Edit- In a previous post I wrote that Matrix operated a well below maximum operating depth, I should have said drilled a well below maximum operating depth.
 
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  • #856
I think a lot of people get stuck on only a few pieces of evidence when it comes to Daniel Robinson. They don't look at the whole picture.

Lets take Daniel's mental state for instance. We know Roger saw Daniel at the office a couple days before he went missing and he wasn't in a good space(throw away my Miami heat hat). We know he was talking to a girl and that he made her uncomfortable. We know he sent her a text the day before he went missing saying-

"the world could get better but i have to take all the time we have or I have have, whatever to name it. I'll either see you again or never see you again."

A few hours later Daniel was seen at a waffle house, without his vehicle, sweating profusely and acting paranoid, the waitress had seen him before but he wasn't acting like himself. He also sent an SOS style text to his sister and when he got home he told her it was a false alarm.

The next day Daniel goes to work and then goes missing a few hours into his shift. A month later his Jeep his found in the desert, a few miles from the 2nd well site, no real sign of foul play, Daniel's things including his clothes are left scattered in the Jeep and on the hillside.

Right now Occam's razor is telling us that Daniel was have some issues emotionally/mentally, he finally broke during work, drove off, crashed his Jeep and walked off into the desert, succumbing to the elements.

Even bringing the water approval stuff into the story after that doesn't really point to foul play. Its when you start to add everything else, that's when things that shouldn't connect do. I'm going to list, in the best chronological order, everything we know that points to foul play in Daniel's case, and it can even help explain Daniel's mental state before he disappeared, it takes that evidence into account. I'll try to break it down timeline wise as best as possible. Some of these things we can explain away, but in my opinion, the abundance of it all points directly to foul play. Some of these are facts with my interoperation of what they mean and some are my opinion only.

Before Daniel goes missing
  • Daniel is a hydro-geologist testing well sites in the Arizona desert, he got this job because he was friends when the main companies(Matrix Arizona is a branch) owner son in college. Not saying he didn't deserve it, but he had an in initially.
  • In the month of June 2021, Daniel was testing a site on Verrado way, the NARW3 well. He had been there a few times including the same day he was seen at the office carrying a box and not in a good mod according to Roger. Roger also said it was unusual to ever see Daniel in the office.
  • The day before Daniel went missing he texted Katelyn "the world can get better" text.
  • A little while later he texted his sister SOS and was seen at a waffle house without his vehicle, miles from his apartment, sweating and acting paranoid. He left after ordering food and told his sister it was a false alarm.
Day Daniel disappeared
  • The next morning Daniel goes to work and arrives at the Verrado well.
  • Within a few minutes of arriving Daniel takes photos of the lithology logs then immediately calls the head of the Matrix Arizona branch, Stephen Noel.
  • That call was 8 minutes long.
  • The only redacted messages in the police report are to Stephen Noel.
  • While at the first well site Daniel gets a voicemail from Ken telling him not to come out yet.
  • Eventually Daniel gets the go ahead from Ken, only to be turned around again this time by Stephen Noel.
  • Daniel goes back to one of the closest gas stations, before heading back up to meet with Ken at the 2nd job site.
  • Ken says he met with Daniel at 9:30 for about 15 minutes and then Daniel waved goodbye, started his jeep, and drove away.
  • Ken says Daniels boots were untied.
  • There are no infotainment start times for when Daniel was supposed to meet with Ken.
  • There is no Mile IQ log for when Daniel was supposed to meet with Ken.
  • Ken says at around 2-3pm he went looking for Daniels and that his tracks were visible because of the rain, he followed them through a gate, eventually climbing atop a hill to look for Daniel.
  • He painted rocks red to mark where he had already gone.
  • Ken's story puts him around 1 mile from where they eventually found Daniel's Jeep.

The searches
  • The full desert searches started on June 25th, 2 days after Daniel went missing.
  • A Helicopter and multiple patrol officers in 4X4 vehicles checked the area where Daniel went missing. They would have been going off of Ken's account, placing them around a mile or so from where the Jeep was found. They didn't find the Jeep.
  • On July 9th, Civil air patrol conducted arial flights searching for Daniel, Major Lane said that since Daniel had a last known location (around a mile or so from where the jeep was eventually found) Daniel should be easy to locate. They didn't find the Jeep.
  • At the same time, a larger ground search was also underway, again going off of Ken's account. David was kept at the gate, with an officer staying behind to make sure he stayed there. According to the police report it was because if they found something that would make it a foul play scenario (they eventually never treated the scene for any possible foul play). They didn't find the Jeep.
  • More searches were conducted in and around the area going of of Ken's account. They didn't find the Jeep.
  • Daniels tracks were visible due to recent rain and had gone offroad for a little while performing a hill climb according to the official story, so these tracks should have been extremely easy to follow.
  • The Jeep was eventually found by a rancher in a ravine, about a mile or so from where Ken said he had followed Daniel's tracks.
  • 2 days before Daniel's Jeep showed up in the ravine, a vehicle in the shape of Daniels with damage to the front was photographed sitting in the bushes off of the road around 100 yards from the 1st well site on Verrado, by the time David showed up it was gone.
Finding the vehicle
  • On July 19th a rancher found Daniel's vehicle.
  • He was told by police not to tell David or the media that he found the jeep, David wouldn't be notified until over 24 hours later.
  • He had been in this area days before and said the vehicle wasn't there.
  • He said it was also way too clean to be out there almost a month.
  • He told David he told police it wasn't there and they told him they had searched this area before.
  • The ranchers statements about the jeep not being there were omitted from early police reports.
  • All of the ranchers statements are on audio recordings.
  • No forensics were done on the scene, despite 18 hours at the ravine and not notifying David they had even found anything.
  • The Vehicle was found in Drive.
The next few days
  • The day after Daniel's vehicle was found David was notified.
  • At the impound David was encouraged to go inside the vehicle and look around
  • David was told he son might have joined a monastery to become a monk.
  • The day after Daniels vehicle was found, David was told he needed to take possession immediately or incur storage fees, David got them to hold off for a little while
  • When going out to the ravine for the first time, David was met by Police Chief Larry Hall, who led the whole group to the wrong ravine, the rancher showed up and pointed them to the correct area, Larry Hall left.
  • David was given everything at the scene besides the Jeep, including Daniel's cell phone, clothes, etc.
  • David's family doesn't recognize the clothing and most of Daniel's pictures including work photos have him wearing more proper attire. No DNA tests on the clothes were performed by police.
  • David hired a PI to look into his sons disappearance.
The PI
  • The PI began by searching the desert by the 2nd well site and by the ravine where the jeep was found.
  • He found a sock matching one of Daniel's mismatched socks in the ravine and the socks he had at home, close to the 2nd well site, not the ravine.
  • He found a human skull not far from the ravine, a couple hundred yards at most.
  • When the PI went to get the vehicle from Buckeye PD, he told them he planned on sending infotainment data off for analysis and according to David this is when Buckeye PD refused to release it, only after lawyers got involved and reminded Buckeye that they had already released it to David and were just holding it for him.
  • The Buckeye PD made David sign a waiver before releasing the vehicle to his PI.
  • The infotainment data can help prove the jeep started after a crash that deployed the airbags and drove 11 miles, something the official narrative refuses to accept.
  • The PI examined the vehicle and found that the damage didn't match a single crash into the ravine, the vehicle merely rolled down the hill and tipped on its side, not a full rollover. The window damage made no since and neither did the damage to the front or drivers side fender.
  • The PI found 40+ additional attempts to start the vehicle after the first crash (This is because of the crash lockout that would have happened, found in the manual, which was found outside Daniel's glovebox). Police called those attempts unexplainable. The vehicle was found in drive, making those attempts almost impossible if the ravine was the only place the jeep crashed.
  • The PI found that the vehicle drove 11 additional miles after it's first crash before going into the ravine.
  • The PI brought Buckeye his findings and Buckeye hired their own independent expert to refute his claims. This expert never examined Daniel's jeep physically.
  • The PI believed the vehicle crashed for the first at around 1pm, citing the 12:54PM infotainment log as a crash time, Buckeye PD never disputed that finding but didn't outright say it either. Media ran with it.
  • Everyone wondered why Daniel was driving around for 4 hours before crashing.
  • The 12:54pm time wasn't a crash time, it's a start time.
New Police report
  • In may of 2023 a new police report was dropped that included MILE IQ data.
  • David says he found it initially and gave it to the detective, detective says he found it first.
  • That mile IQ app put Daniel's phone at the ravine by 10:02am, only 15 or so minutes after leaving the 2nd well site.
  • The mileage on Daniel's Jeep lines up with him leaving the 2nd well site and getting to the ravine before crashing for the first time around 10:02am-10:32am.
  • Police are now ignoring the 12:54pm time entirely and saying Daniel's jeep crashed into the ravine and stayed there, with the 11 miles being an anomaly seen all the time.
  • You would see it all the time but its not an anomaly. If any vehicle with this system crashes and then restarts and drives further, there will be additional miles on the odometer that didn't get on the crash data. And people drive crashed cars home after an accident all the time.
  • The new police report goes over almost every possible reason Daniel could have gone missing, every possible reason besides anything to do with his work.
  • They talk about mountain lions, strangers, Billy Hayes, Katelyn's friends and guy missing his other arm, but no mention of talking to his supervisors about his job or asking Stephen Noel about Daniel's longest call that morning.

The water stuff

We've already talked about this stuff and i went over it a little bit above. Testing that well site, showing up at the office in between testing it and not in a good mood. He gets to the Verrado well the morning he went missing, immediately takes a photo of the logs and calls Stephen Noel. 8 minutes is a long phone call with the head of the branch, Noel is not even Daniel's immediate supervisor. Redacted messages to Stephen in police report. Lets pick up from there.
  • The same time Daniel is testing this well, late June, the Buckeye water model is being finalized. That water model would be hidden from the public for 2 years until Katie Hobbs forced it's release and halted all new groundwater extraction in the area.
  • This well was owned by West Park water LLC
  • The day after Daniel disappears, the lithology logs are completed.
  • Matrix was already having problems getting wells approved for their clients in Pinal county, with exceeding depth limits being of concern.
  • Matrix had the well drilled over 200 feet passed maximum depth allowance for a high capacity well. Capped below that according to the approved documents.
  • 5 months after Daniel disappeared and the well was capped, it underwent transmissivity testing that came out to around 19k, well below what's needed for there targeted withdrawal rate of 2,000acre/feet.
  • Stephen Noel used his old company he had before he merged with Matrix data from 07-09 from 2 other wells in the area to bring the total average above 40k, enough to get the well approved.
  • Stephen Noel's son was a project manager for Weber, company Ken Elliot works for, last person to see Daniel alive.
  • In 07-09 Buckeye's population was around 30k, in 2021 it was over 90k. Buckeye isn't the only one accessing this aquifer either. The Phoenix area has been one of the fastest growing places in the USA over the last few decades. While legal, the old tests used to get that well approved, in my opinion, shows that they have little regard for what's actually in the ground. Does Daniel care?
  • In August of 2022 the well itself was transferred to the City of Buckeye. Companies do this and then get water credits to use for their developments. Westpark water could be connected to the Westpark Development, who said they had a "true water solution" when it came to their development needs, whatever that means.
  • That same month, Police Chief Larry Hall became a deputy City manager, something he had no experience in.
  • 6 months later Larry Hall was replaced as city manager by a guy named Javier Setovich, who has an extensive background in water control and management, bringing into question what kind of role Larry Hall was performing when he was there.
  • Larry Hall retired as police chief a short time later.
  • The old lead detective has left the Buckeye police.
  • Once the water model was released, the City of Buckeye denied knowledge of its existence.
  • David now believes someone was in Daniels apartment looking for something after he went missing, before anyone gained access.

All of these things, on their own, can be explained away, I'm sure I'm also missing a bunch of things. But try to explain them all together. Try finding one alternative explanation that accounts for the vehicle data, the damage, the phone data, the rancher testimony, the lithology log finish date, the approval process, the water model, the searches that found nothing, the personnel movements, the 128 page report that never once asked what Daniel was actually doing that morning, etc.

Even Daniels mental state could be explained under a foul play context, he was stressed over work, the stuff with Katelyn was the coincidence. Even the see you or never see you again text was proceeded by the world can get better and that Daniel has to try, think about that with everything I just went over. Daniel didn't just choose geology for a job, he fell in love with it.

At the beginning I mentioned Daniel telling Roger he was going to get rid of his Miami Heat hat. A lot of people would see that piece of evidence and some would say, oh he's not doing well. But in reality, the Miami Heat had just gotten swept by the Milwaukee Bucks a few weeks earlier and were out of the playoffs. When you have more context in any given situation, things that seem bleak may seem like nothing at all and things that can seem like nothing at all might have a lot more to them than we thought.

You also have to ask yourself, how would this go if this is what happened to Daniel? Sloppy job, can't let it get to foul play because at the very least his job would be looked at, can't admit 2 separate crashes due to Mile IQ, Can't admit you knew about the water model at all, the police that originally worked on the case no longer with department, etc. Everything that would need to happen for this to stay silent, is happening, whether foul play is the reason or not.
 
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  • #857
I appreciate the well thought out response, but in no way was that well a fantastic public supply well and the underlying data proves that.

@Bluedreamer
I dare you to come to Texas and say that about a 1,000 plus gpm well out loud at a groundwater conference.

Is it normal to drill deeper than the approved design? I've been told it happens
Pretty sure I saw that it was a test well first. That is the goal of test wells in Texas, exploratory drilling.

On the transmissivity data used to justify this well,
Groundwater modelers will incorporate all of the transmissivity data they can find. If that was all that was available then it was used. The T from the this wells pump test was 40,000 gpd per foot.

If this well is so controversial why was there no hearing? Pretty sure I saw on the documentarion that no hearing was requested.

Honestly I think Daniel had a mental break. This case just breaks my heart. 🥀
 
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@Bluedreamer
I dare you to come to Texas and say that about a 1,000 plus gpm well out loud at a groundwater conference.


Pretty sure I saw that it was a test well first. That is the goal of test wells in Texas, exploratory drilling.


Groundwater modelers will incorporate all of the transmissivity data they can find. If that was all that was available then it was used. The T from the this wells pump test was 40,000 gpd per foot.

If this well is so controversial why was there no hearing? Pretty sure I saw on the documentarion that no hearing was requested.

Honestly I think Daniel had a mental break. This case just breaks my heart. 🥀

I'm sure Texas has their own problems. It's a fact that this well doesn't get approved if the water model that was being finalized in June of 2021(same time well was drilled) was released beforehand. They literally buried the documentation that proved there wasn't enough water to drill in that area for 2 years. So yes its a fact that the well was not a fantastic supply well, not my opinion. They had to bring in tests from 2007-2009 from wells nearby just to get it approved.

There is also multiple media releases that talk about how some of the developers knew there wasn't enough water in the ground and knew a water model was about to be released halting projects, but they continued anyways. Governor Ducey's admin was burying these reports, i doubt they required any hearings between 21-23.


It might have been labeled a test well at the beginning, but it was always meant to become a high capacity well, its why Westpark Water LLC owned in from the onset.

The T from this wells pump test was not 40k, im not sure you read the whole document and if you did, you missed it. The T from that well was 19k, it was brought up to over 40k using 2 other wells in the area, from tests in 07-09, did you read my entire post?

If they were to test the 2 wells in 2021, not 13-14 years earlier, what do you think the transmissivity testing would have came out at?





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I think the car data all but proves Daniels jeep was staged, mental illness has nothing to do with that.
 
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