GUILTY AZ - Daniel Rodriguez, 29, fatally shot by Phoenix PD officer, 5 Oct 2010 #2

[geevee]

Past tweets about the jury make up:
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Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 55s Juror 1,3,7,11,14,20,23,29,34,38,48,50,55,65,68,73, selected for final jury...8 male, 8 female #RichardChrisman

Corey Rangel ‏@CoreyABC15 34s Richard Chrisman jury picked. 8 men & 8 women


Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m So far I only see one minority in the jury #richardchrisman @12News

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 52s Jury is made up of mainly middle aged people..#RichardChrisman

 

[21merc7]

Past tweets about the jury make up:
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Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 55s Juror 1,3,7,11,14,20,23,29,34,38,48,50,55,65,68,73, selected for final jury...8 male, 8 female #RichardChrisman

Corey Rangel ‏@CoreyABC15 34s Richard Chrisman jury picked. 8 men & 8 women


Lissette Martinez ‏@martinezliss 1m So far I only see one minority in the jury #richardchrisman @12News

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 52s Jury is made up of mainly middle aged people..#RichardChrisman

Any tweets on a change in fashion or hairstyle? Demeanor? Actions that changed from day 1 to week 2 or 3?

< Bernina- thank you for accessing the foot, I hope I have it memorized now. >

 

[Bernina]

Served on a jury..murder..several members of the jury did not trust police and were afraid of them. This thinking did affect the verdict. IMO. Found second degree murder instead of first and the police were mere witnesses not really involved at the base level. Worry about this jury!

Wow! That's not good.....

 

[geevee]

What happened, according to Juan's opening statement:

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Corey Rangel &#8207;@CoreyABC15 1m Juan Martinez begins opening statements saying Richard Chrisman violated his responsibility as an officer when he killed unarmed man

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel 1m Martinez laying the groundwork to call former partner

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 2m JM: #richardchrisman's crime would have gone unnoticed if someone else hadn't been there @12News

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: That witness did not stand by and let this crime happen, that witness is also a phoenix police officer

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: says call came in for help as priority 2. Officers did not need to get there immediately

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: says there was no indication Daniel Rodriguez had any weapons on him, officers knew this

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: officers arrived 20 min after call for help came in

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: without warrant officers went into trailer of Daniel Rodriguez

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: #richardchrisman was first to go into trailer he let himself in

Trial Diva Jen &#8482; &#8207;@TrialDivasJ 34s Juan- Daniel asked officers where there F'ing warrant was..officers had entered trailer without Daniels knowledge..

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: #richardchrisman placed gun on victim's temple when Danny questioned where their warrant was

Trial Diva Sharee&#8482; &#8207;@TrialDivasS 39s #RichardChrisman places gun to Rodriguez left temple and says "Here's your mother f'ing warrant" and pushes him towards couch

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 53s JM: dog may have been barking at officers in living room #richardchrisman pepper sprays victim

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 49s JM: Officer virgillo was affected by pepper spray goes just outside door to catch his breath and comes back in

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: only one prong caught victim's chest to it's not effective, virgillo tases victim and this time it is effective #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: virgillo offers victim a ride, Danny wants to go to father's house and grabs bike #richardchrisman won't let him

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 51s JM: Danny still holding on to bike, #richardchrisman fires 2 shots at dog the last as dog was turning away

Trial Diva Sharee&#8482; &#8207;@TrialDivasS 1m W/out provacation #RichardChrisman fires 1 shot at dog, hitting him in ear, he fires 2nd shot in dogs back, paralyzing him leaving him 2 die

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 53s JM: victim became upset curses at cops and asks why they shot his dog, #richardchrisman points gun at him,

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel 34s Danny Rodriguez holds his hands up in surrender. Bare chested with no weapons and is shot twice by #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 2m JM: #richardchrisman shot and killed Daniel just because he had a badge I ask you not to let me him step over that line again
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I cleaned it up (removed most #rc) and tried to organize them so they followed without too much repetition.

 

[Jewels53]

This has a list of the juror's and has descriptions. I believe it may have a diary like entry's for the days of trial. You will have scroll threw many thing to see though.

http://thetrialdivas.com/

 

[josie1986]

What happened, according to Juan's opening statement:

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Corey Rangel &#8207;@CoreyABC15 1m Juan Martinez begins opening statements saying Richard Chrisman violated his responsibility as an officer when he killed unarmed man

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel 1m Martinez laying the groundwork to call former partner

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 2m JM: #richardchrisman's crime would have gone unnoticed if someone else hadn't been there @12News

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: That witness did not stand by and let this crime happen, that witness is also a phoenix police officer

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: says call came in for help as priority 2. Officers did not need to get there immediately

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: says there was no indication Daniel Rodriguez had any weapons on him, officers knew this

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: officers arrived 20 min after call for help came in

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: without warrant officers went into trailer of Daniel Rodriguez

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: #richardchrisman was first to go into trailer he let himself in

Trial Diva Jen ™ &#8207;@TrialDivasJ 34s Juan- Daniel asked officers where there F'ing warrant was..officers had entered trailer without Daniels knowledge..

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: #richardchrisman placed gun on victim's temple when Danny questioned where their warrant was

Trial Diva Sharee™ &#8207;@TrialDivasS 39s #RichardChrisman places gun to Rodriguez left temple and says "Here's your mother f'ing warrant" and pushes him towards couch

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 53s JM: dog may have been barking at officers in living room #richardchrisman pepper sprays victim

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 49s JM: Officer virgillo was affected by pepper spray goes just outside door to catch his breath and comes back in

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: only one prong caught victim's chest to it's not effective, virgillo tases victim and this time it is effective #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 1m JM: virgillo offers victim a ride, Danny wants to go to father's house and grabs bike #richardchrisman won't let him

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 51s JM: Danny still holding on to bike, #richardchrisman fires 2 shots at dog the last as dog was turning away

Trial Diva Sharee™ &#8207;@TrialDivasS 1m W/out provacation #RichardChrisman fires 1 shot at dog, hitting him in ear, he fires 2nd shot in dogs back, paralyzing him leaving him 2 die

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 53s JM: victim became upset curses at cops and asks why they shot his dog, #richardchrisman points gun at him,

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel 34s Danny Rodriguez holds his hands up in surrender. Bare chested with no weapons and is shot twice by #richardchrisman

Lissette Martinez &#8207;@martinezliss 2m JM: #richardchrisman shot and killed Daniel just because he had a badge I ask you not to let me him step over that line again
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I cleaned it up (removed most #rc) and tried to organize them so they followed without too much repetition.

Geevee u are an Angel.

This is what I believe happened,logical etc where as RCS 'story does not fit in the slightest.

Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

 

[aa9511]

They certainly all had their story straight.

You know something I noticed? In JM's first part of closing, he went all over the afids by the bush and how the scene was staged and the cop friends of RC moved them, remember? In his second part (right after the stuff about the judge's e-mail to JM), he starts on about the afids and says none were by the bushes and no one moved anything - did you all catch that too? Made me wonder exactly what was in that e-mail to JM? Something about the instruction he gave the jury about looking up a word, or how he shouldn't accuse the cops of committing crimes like falsifying a crime scene? The whole thing just made me go Hmmmm.

geevee, I did notice that, but I think it was more of a response to Mehren's claims that Juan was being outrageous and there was no conspiracy, and that how could they have moved the Afids. And so Juan was saying that regarding the Afids, he never said anyone moved them, he said that the 3 people all said different things about where they were, and thus they were all making up that they ever saw Afids outside. He was saying that it's not State's fault no Afids from outside were collected b/c there were actually no Afids outside.

Regarding the e-mail, first I thought it could have been about his "apprehension" instruction, then I was thinking what if it was about when Mehrens basically called Juan an idiot? He could have told hiim something like, I will talk to Mehrens about that, or something like that. Maybe.

 

[geevee]

geevee, I did notice that, but I think it was more of a response to Mehren's claims that Juan was being outrageous and there was no conspiracy, and that how could they have moved the Afids. And so Juan was saying that regarding the Afids, he never said anyone moved them, he said that the 3 people all said different things about where they were, and thus they were all making up that they ever saw Afids outside. He was saying that it's not State's fault no Afids from outside were collected b/c there were actually no Afids outside.

Regarding the e-mail, first I thought it could have been about his "apprehension" instruction, then I was thinking what if it was about when Mehrens basically called Juan an idiot? He could have told hiim something like, I will talk to Mehrens about that, or something like that. Maybe.

Thanks aa, you're probably right, the whole thing just came together so oddly, but I think your view makes good sense.

 

[aa9511]

Can anyone tell me what time Arizona time the jury finished deliberations yesterday? Was it at their normal 4:30 time, or later? TIA.

I can't see the jury going past tomorrow to return verdict. I mean, there was a lot of evidence, but not THAT much. I'm predicting end of the day tomorrow.

EVEN if they believe Chrisman's story, how do they reconcile the fact that Danny never threatened him with any (real) weapons? As I said in an earlier post, say pepper spray and taser didn't work....they could have at that point called the 906 or whtaever it is for back-up. Danny goes off with his bike, back-up cops come and catch him with their car. Overpower him and arrest him.

The only way to believe he was feeling threatened is if they believe that Danny was gonna "bash his brains" with the bike. I still have issue with how anyone can possibly take that as a possibility, since Chrisman is obviously more physically powerful than Danny, it shows in the pictures and seeing Chrisman in court. Chrisman could have grabbed the bike and then yelled for Vergillo to come help him. (I"m going by Chrisman's version of the story here). Vergillo could not have been that far away that he wouldn't hear Chrisman yelling for his help.

Ugh. No way in the world does his story make sense no matter how many ways I try to spin it. If the jury doesn't come back tomorrow, I would say then we have a real problem. This is not a very hard thing to figure out once you think about it for a little bit.

 

[geevee]

Verdict Watch:

9-10-13: 3:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. (1 hour)
9-11-13: 10:30 a.m. - 12:00 noon, (lunch) 1:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. (4.5 hours)

5.5 hours total deliberations

 

[geevee]

Can anyone tell me what time Arizona time the jury finished deliberations yesterday? Was it at their normal 4:30 time, or later? TIA.

I can't see the jury going past tomorrow to return verdict. I mean, there was a lot of evidence, but not THAT much. I'm predicting end of the day tomorrow.

EVEN if they believe Chrisman's story, how do they reconcile the fact that Danny never threatened him with any (real) weapons? As I said in an earlier post, say pepper spray and taser didn't work....they could have at that point called the 906 or whtaever it is for back-up. Danny goes off with his bike, back-up cops come and catch him with their car. Overpower him and arrest him.

The only way to believe he was feeling threatened is if they believe that Danny was gonna "bash his brains" with the bike. I still have issue with how anyone can possibly take that as a possibility, since Chrisman is obviously more physically powerful than Danny, it shows in the pictures and seeing Chrisman in court. Chrisman could have grabbed the bike and then yelled for Vergillo to come help him. (I"m going by Chrisman's version of the story here). Vergillo could not have been that far away that he wouldn't hear Chrisman yelling for his help.

Ugh. No way in the world does his story make sense no matter how many ways I try to spin it. If the jury doesn't come back tomorrow, I would say then we have a real problem. This is not a very hard thing to figure out once you think about it for a little bit.

LOL I came over here because I realized I forgot to update the verdict clock after the divas posted the jury left at their usual time, 4:30. I just posted the new total time of deliberations.

RC not knowing where Virgillo was at any point is very telling, I think. Daniel wasn't all wild or creating a scene or anything, RC knocked on the door and began escalating the situation from the first moment. SV was trying to get Daniel to leave on his bike, and RC doesn't even recall him being in the room, that's how zeroed in on Daniel he was.

I'm thinking the jury will be back between 3:30 and 4:00 their time tomorrow.

 

[geevee]

Something that occurred to me earlier today; I wonder if the jury thinks this case is being covered like the JA case was, all over HLN, live Play/Pause of the daily testimony, Nancy Grace/Dr. Drew/After Dark's melodrama of the days events every night, etc.

It's being tried by the same prosecutor and they all had to have been aware of the coverage of that trial, bet when they're released they'll be surprised that a cop on trial doesn't garner as much media or live streaming daily and everything that the JA trial was. We don't even have nicknames for any of them.

We're all as interested but the coverage (as we know and have suffered) is nowhere near the level of JM's last trial, I'm just wondering what they'll be expecting after this is all done.

 

[aa9511]

Something that occurred to me earlier today; I wonder if the jury thinks this case is being covered like the JA case was, all over HLN, live Play/Pause of the daily testimony, Nancy Grace/Dr. Drew/After Dark's melodrama of the days events every night, etc.

It's being tried by the same prosecutor and they all had to have been aware of the coverage of that trial, bet when they're released they'll be surprised that a cop on trial doesn't garner as much media or live streaming daily and everything that the JA trial was. We don't even have nicknames for any of them.

We're all as interested but the coverage (as we know and have suffered) is nowhere near the level of JM's last trial, I'm just wondering what they'll be expecting after this is all done.

Yes, I have also wondered if they are aware of coverage/non-coverage. I hope it doesn't affect them either way. The thing I'm afraid of is if they wanna be extra-cautious so they get it "right," and they give not-guilty even though there is overwhelming evidence.

 

[21merc7]

Yes, I have also wondered if they are aware of coverage/non-coverage. I hope it doesn't affect them either way. The thing I'm afraid of is if they wanna be extra-cautious so they get it "right," and they give not-guilty even though there is overwhelming evidence.

Oh I hope not aa9511. I hope they all have a conscience and know if they decided not guilty, but know that it is guilty, it would be nearly as bad as killing the man themselves. I think this case is very clear. I think the possible sentence is actually low, so that should not deter a guilty conviction as it does in some cases.

I do feel for them having to make this decision. I feel for any jurors in a murder trial, not somewhere I would be comfortable deciding. They will take their time to clarify what really did happen, and they should. Not an easy position to be in, but a necessary one.

 

[LambChop]

I still can't get over RC going into the home instead of insisting DR step outside onto the porch to talk to him. If they had been invited into the home it would have been one thing but DR obviously did not want them in there or he would not have asked for a warrant. SV standing outside the doorway tells me he was respecting the fact that they had not been asked to come into the home and he was trying to get him outside so they would have better control over him. RC was wrong by going in. Fatal mistake, IMO.

Myself, I would not like it if a police officer stepped into my home without my permission unless there was a specific call into the police to enter the home because of a disturbance or crime. jmo

 

[geevee]

Oh I hope not aa9511. I hope they all have a conscience and know if they decided not guilty, but know that it is guilty, it would be nearly as bad as killing the man themselves. I think this case is very clear. I think the possible sentence is actually low, so that should not deter a guilty conviction as it does in some cases.

I do feel for them having to make this decision. I feel for any jurors in a murder trial, not somewhere I would be comfortable deciding. They will take their time to clarify what really did happen, and they should. Not an easy position to be in, but a necessary one.

Hope you're right Merc, that they're just taking their time to have a verdict each of them can stand behind after clarifying any evidentiary questions any of them have. Hope they packed their courage this morning before leaving for court.

 

[aa9511]

Hope you're right Merc, that they're just taking their time to have a verdict each of them can stand behind after clarifying any evidentiary questions any of them have. Hope they packed their courage this morning before leaving for court.

geevee, I would expect any questions they have should be coming this morning after they get back into deliberations. So I'm kind of expecting a question soon....

 

[geevee]

geevee, I would expect any questions they have should be coming this morning after they get back into deliberations. So I'm kind of expecting a question soon....

Me too, I'm really surprised there wasn't at least one yesterday, they have three charges and plenty of legal jargon they ought to have some question about before signing on the dotted line. Maybe they're a lot smarter or surer than I am. lol

 

[aa9511]

Me too, I'm really surprised there wasn't at least one yesterday, they have three charges and plenty of legal jargon they ought to have some question about before signing on the dotted line. Maybe they're a lot smarter or surer than I am. lol

do you know if the bike is already back there with them, or do they have to request it?

 

[Bernina]

I still can't get over RC going into the home instead of insisting DR step outside onto the porch to talk to him. If they had been invited into the home it would have been one thing but DR obviously did not want them in there or he would not have asked for a warrant. SV standing outside the doorway tells me he was respecting the fact that they had not been asked to come into the home and he was trying to get him outside so they would have better control over him. RC was wrong by going in. Fatal mistake, IMO.

Myself, I would not like it if a police officer stepped into my home without my permission unless there was a specific call into the police to enter the home because of a disturbance or crime. jmo

DR's mom gave LE permission to go in. (Didn't she?) DR didn't own the mobile home, she did or was the individual who's name the lease/rental agreement was in. If she hadn't, RC would have been required to ask DR to step outside.
DR probably didn't know LE had been called, and it's not THAT unusual for LE to show up at the wrong address, so he did ask about a search warrant.
It was all so unnecessary. All LE was asked to do is get DR to leave the home. They would have asked DR's mom about weapons. alcohol and/or drug influence, and the dogs, SOP. She would have told them no weapons, alc/drugs not that she could verify, and the dogs were friendly and the one was ill.
RC thought he was going to look like a tough guy, shooting a pitbull and a crazed, dangerous man. Right.
There's already distrust in the South Phoenix community with LE. If RC gets out of this, it's going to be a lot worse.