GUILTY AZ - Daniel Rodriguez, 29, fatally shot by Phoenix PD officer, 5 Oct 2010 #2

[geevee]

do you know if the bike is already back there with them, or do they have to request it?

I'll have to recheck the tweets but I think I recall one of the divas mentioning the bike, but I believe it will be back there with them.

 

[Cherry]

Shocking there is still no verdict?

 

[Idaho Lynx]

Obligations will take me away from WS access from late morning to late afternoon so I bet the verdict will come in while I am gone! Hold down the fort....I look forward to catching up upon my return.

 

[popsicle]

Shocking there is still no verdict?

I will be very surprised if there is no verdict today. That Danny wanted to take his bike and leave.... and even V wanted to give him a ride instead, just seems a bit obvious to me that RC is guilty.

 

[aa9511]

I just can't get over the fact that the jury still chooses to come in at 10:30 am, not a minute before! What about, say, 9:00 am...is that too early?? Really makes it seem like they don't want it to be over....

 

[geevee]

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 2h #RichardChrisman jury is at 6 1/2 hours and starts back up today at 10:30am
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I'm not sure how they are arriving at 6.5 hours deliberation, 1 hour first day, hour and a half, then lunch, then 3 hours yesterday = 5.5 hours delib.

 

[geevee]

One thing in trial watchers' favor is if they think they must remain on the trial schedule - they may think they can't deliberate on Fridays so may be more likely to get to a verdict today rather than have to come back next Monday.

 

[aa9511]

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 2h #RichardChrisman jury is at 6 1/2 hours and starts back up today at 10:30am
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I'm not sure how they are arriving at 6.5 hours deliberation, 1 hour first day, hour and a half, then lunch, then 3 hours yesterday = 5.5 hours delib.

geevee that's what I was wondering too!

 

[aa9511]

One thing in trial watchers' favor is if they think they must remain on the trial schedule - they may think they can't deliberate on Fridays so may be more likely to get to a verdict today rather than have to come back next Monday.

If they think they can't come in on Friday, then if they still have some ways to go, I would think they would wanna come in earlier today!! Geesh, I am not gonna think too much into this or I am gonna scare myself.....

 

[MeeBee]

OT: now that Juan has a little time on his hands, he has filed two objections to the defense yesterday, one related to change of venue, and one related to a motion by the defense to preclude evidence related to Dr. Karp. Looks like Juan wants to bring in some of the BS she told her and how it differs from what she told Dr. Samuels and others.

 

[aa9511]

OT: now that Juan has a little time on his hands, he has filed two objections to the defense yesterday, one related to change of venue, and one related to a motion by the defense to preclude evidence related to Dr. Karp. Looks like Juan wants to bring in some of the BS she told her and how it differs from what she told Dr. Samuels and others.

Oh yeah, he didn't have time for a bubble bath, 'cause he's got that pestering bug CMJA he needs to get rid of....

 

[Bernina]

I just can't get over the fact that the jury still chooses to come in at 10:30 am, not a minute before! What about, say, 9:00 am...is that too early?? Really makes it seem like they don't want it to be over....

The courthouse is in downtown Phoenix. It's far different than most big cities, it doesn't grow "up", it grows "out", most of the residents living outside of the center of Phoenix. Mass transit only handles part of the area, most people have vehicles, and everything is connected with freeways and loops that get pretty congested between 8-10:00 am and 4-6:00 pm. Then you have mom's on the jury getting kids off to the bus or driving them to school.
The courts are trying to make it as convenient as possible, barring sequestration. When you get a jury notice, if you don't have a valid medical situation, you HAVE to show up, or you have a bench warrant and fine put out on you. In some areas of Arizona, you have to drive 1 1/2 hours one way to get to the courthouse, on Interstates most of the way, no less.
So to continue the "No sequestration" option, the "Show up or go to jail and pay a fine" jury summons, and not have a general revolt by the masses, the court has to accommodate the general population.

 

[MeeBee]

If there is a verdict today, I bet the jury will wait until after lunch. But...we'll see.

 

[josie1986]

There's no way they will think they can't deliberate tomorrow right?? Jeez

I may tweet whoever said 6 1/2hours deliberation just to be a pain :floorlaugh:

Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

 

[aa9511]

The courthouse is in downtown Phoenix. It's far different than most big cities, it doesn't grow "up", it grows "out", most of the residents living outside of the center of Phoenix. Mass transit only handles part of the area, most people have vehicles, and everything is connected with freeways and loops that get pretty congested between 8-10:00 am and 4-6:00 pm. Then you have mom's on the jury getting kids off to the bus or driving them to school.
The courts are trying to make it as convenient as possible, barring sequestration. When you get a jury notice, if you don't have a valid medical situation, you HAVE to show up, or you have a bench warrant and fine put out on you. In some areas of Arizona, you have to drive 1 1/2 hours one way to get to the courthouse, on Interstates most of the way, no less.
So to continue the "No sequestration" option, the "Show up or go to jail and pay a fine" jury summons, and not have a general revolt by the masses, the court has to accommodate the general population.

Hi Bernina, I also live in one of these types of cities, and most businesses and people who work downtown are still required to be there at 8am. And IIRC, most on this jury are middle-aged people.

I just think the way AZ does it wastes a lot of time. For example, I wrote a post earlier about why don't they just have jurors come in at 11am, they have 1 hr. lunch, and then be prepared to work from 12-5 with a couple of breaks in between. That makes much more sense than asking them to come in at 10:30, then court doesn't usually start until 11am, then listen to an hour testimony, then go to lunch for 1.5 hrs, then listen some more, then a break, then come back and listen to little more, then 4:30 time to go.

 

[popsicle]

I wish you would Josie. :lol:

 

[LambChop]

DR's mom gave LE permission to go in. (Didn't she?) DR didn't own the mobile home, she did or was the individual who's name the lease/rental agreement was in. If she hadn't, RC would have been required to ask DR to step outside.
DR probably didn't know LE had been called, and it's not THAT unusual for LE to show up at the wrong address, so he did ask about a search warrant.
It was all so unnecessary. All LE was asked to do is get DR to leave the home. They would have asked DR's mom about weapons. alcohol and/or drug influence, and the dogs, SOP. She would have told them no weapons, alc/drugs not that she could verify, and the dogs were friendly and the one was ill.
RC thought he was going to look like a tough guy, shooting a pitbull and a crazed, dangerous man. Right.
There's already distrust in the South Phoenix community with LE. If RC gets out of this, it's going to be a lot worse.

I'm not sure she actually gave permission to enter the home, either. DR resided there. He did not need to own the home or be on the lease, he was living there and was the only person home at the time so I do think RC overstepped his bounds by entering without DR letting him in. It will be interesting to see how the jury feels about that. jmo

 

[Bernina]

Hi Bernina, I also live in one of these types of cities, and most businesses and people who work downtown are still required to be there at 8am. And IIRC, most on this jury are middle-aged people.

I just think the way AZ does it wastes a lot of time. For example, I wrote a post earlier about why don't they just have jurors come in at 11am, they have 1 hr. lunch, and then be prepared to work from 12-5 with a couple of breaks in between. That makes much more sense than asking them to come in at 10:30, then court doesn't usually start until 11am, then listen to an hour testimony, then go to lunch for 1.5 hrs, then listen some more, then a break, then come back and listen to little more, then 4:30 time to go.

It's Arizona, what can I say? LOL! We do everything kinda different.:floorlaugh:

 

[MeeBee]

It's Arizona, what can I say? LOL! We do everything kinda different.:floorlaugh:

No kidding! Arizona is sure an interesting state lol...

I just read on the State vs. Jodi Arias page that 20 or so cops are very mad at Juan for insinuating that they moved evidence around and such. He's very brave to take this case and prosecute in full. He doesn't care how much it alienates him, he just wants justice. And it seems like you observant posters were right. Juan got an email or something about this and he made sure he wasn't accusing them of moving things around, but those officers of testifying to seeing the AFIDS of either being mistaken (right...) or lying. Still probably doesn't make them happy, but whatever. Don't lie for a killer.

 

[Bernina]

I'm not sure she actually gave permission to enter the home, either. DR resided there. He did not need to own the home or be on the lease, he was living there and was the only person home at the time so I do think RC overstepped his bounds by entering without DR letting him in. It will be interesting to see how the jury feels about that. jmo

LE has to get permission from the home owner or renter/leasee of record to enter a home without a warrant. The aforementioned does not have to be at the physical residence when giving permission. If RC didn't get that permission from DR's mom, he had to knock and ask DR to come outside.
I don't have to let LE get past my gate w/o a warrant, and no one but me can give them permission to come on the property because I am the owner of record. I had to bone up on this when NAIS (National Animal Identification System) was trying to implement, and Exotic Newcastle Disease quarantined parts of Arizona.