GUILTY AZ - Daniel Rodriguez, 29, fatally shot by Phoenix PD officer, 5 Oct 2010 #2

[geevee]

Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 42s The Uncles of Daniel are here and they r the sweetest group of people...#RichardChrisman

 

[aa9511]

Trival Diva tweeted that Daniel's uncles are there and they are the sweetest group.....

 

[21merc7]

Current time in Arizona:

2:51 p.m.

 

[Bernina]

I didn't watch that trial but I can't think of any good reason why they would be prohibited from reenacting a scene, what reason was there in that case?

The court didn't allow video. Something about the Prosecution left the boat where the jurors would see it when they came into court in the morning and when deliberations started, some of them were getting in the boat and the defense cried "Foul"...something along those lines, that was quite a few years ago, and in >California<so never mind :scared:

 

[MeeBee]

The court didn't allow video. Something about the Prosecution left the boat where the jurors would see it when they came into court in the morning and when deliberations started, some of them were getting in the boat and the defense cried "Foul"...something along those lines, that was quite a few years ago, and in >California<so never mind :scared:

LOL...silly jurors.

 

[geevee]

LOL...silly jurors.

Those crazy jurors, must have been cabin fever after all the time they spent on that jury - didn't the trial go on like forever?

 

[Zuri]

Isn't re-enacting the crime prohibited?

I agree! I'm like WTH?

 

[Liebchenmutti]

I didn't watch that trial but I can't think of any good reason why they would be prohibited from reenacting a scene, what reason was there in that case?

http://focusgroupjuries.wordpress.c...on-between-jury-experiments-and-jury-testing/

It's illegal or prohibited to conduct "experiments" -- I don't know what the legal difference is between jurors experimenting and jurors "testing" the evidence.

Here's the beginning of the article I linked:

"Trial law makes a distinction between improper jury experiments and a jury&#8217;s permissible &#8220;testing&#8221; of the evidence. Improper experiments are those conducted by jury members that have the effect of injecting new evidence into the case not presented by the parties. One well known instance of an improper experiment happened in Ohio vs. Widmer. The issue in that case was determining how long it took a body to dry. The jurors in the case took showers at home and then timed themselves as they air dried. This later became the basis for granting a new trial."


The boat thing from the Scott Peterson trial was an issue with the defense using the boat in court & showing how it was "impossible" for Scott to throw Laci overboard--it wsa an issue of that not being the same conditions as being on the water, etc.

 

[MeeBee]

Those crazy jurors, must have been cabin fever after all the time they spent on that jury - didn't the trial go on like forever?

6 months! At least it didn't fry their brains and they got it right.

 

[Bernina]

Those crazy jurors, must have been cabin fever after all the time they spent on that jury - didn't the trial go on like forever?

Yes, and the jurors were sequestered I do believe. All anyone got to hear was the nightly rundown about the trial on "CourtTV"...back in the "Stone Age" when you could really believe the commentators :floorlaugh:

 

[Zuri]

The outline in the court room did not incorporate all the clutter or specific measurements of furniture and other items. Of course, that is assuming that is what they are doing. Do we know whether that was provided? TIA

 

[geevee]

6 months! At least it didn't fry their brains and they got it right.

Holy cow, poor jurors. And then they get yelled at for recreating with the evidence. :facepalm:

 

[geevee]

The outline in the court room did not incorporate all the clutter or specific measurements of furniture and other items. Of course, that is assuming that is what they are doing. Do we know whether that was provided? TIA

There was a diagram of the trailer, don't recall if it had measurements. I took some screen shots, let me go look and see if I have one of the diagrams, brb.

ETA: Nope, no diagram in my folder.

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, and the jurors were sequestered I do believe. All anyone got to hear was the nightly rundown about the trial on "CourtTV"...back in the "Stone Age" when you could really believe the commentators :floorlaugh:

I think they were only sequestered for the deliberations. I remember one juror got kicked off because she went home and looked something up on her computer.

 

[Bernina]

http://focusgroupjuries.wordpress.c...on-between-jury-experiments-and-jury-testing/

It's illegal or prohibited to conduct "experiments" -- I don't know what the legal difference is between jurors experimenting and jurors "testing" the evidence.
>snipped by me<

We'll see if the jury follows that...I can just imagine some of them coming back into court covered with band aids from Taser "tests". :floorlaugh:

I am getting antsy about this verdict :scared:

 

[Zuri]

There was a diagram of the trailer, don't recall if it had measurements. I took some screen shots, let me go look and see if I have one of the diagrams, brb.

ETA: Nope, no diagram in my folder.

It just had the door measurements, room measurements, etc. IIRC, the room was @ 13x15 or so. It had the measurement of the tiled area, kitchen opening, and hallway opening measurements as well. They created the taped areas in the courtroom using those measurements done by Det. Porter.

 

[Bernina]

I think they were only sequestered for the deliberations. I remember one juror got kicked off because she went home and looked something up on her computer.

OT: Looked it up, she was caught on video talking to one of Laci's brothers as they passed in the hallway......of course Court Tv made it known to the judge...

45 more minutes....Do they stop at 4:00?

 

[MeeBee]

OT: Looked it up, she was caught on video talking to one of Laci's brothers as they passed in the hallway......of course Court Tv made it known to the judge...

45 more minutes....Do they stop at 4:00?

No, I'm talking about the one that got kicked off for looking up a website brought up in trial to see the dates on it. It helped erase some of her doubt, but it got her kicked off the jury.

They stop at 4:30 and if they don't come back today that's going to be one long weekend.

 

[geevee]

It just had the door measurements, room measurements, etc. IIRC, the room was @ 13x15 or so. It had the measurement of the tiled area, kitchen opening, and hallway opening measurements as well. They created the taped areas in the courtroom using those measurements done by Det. Porter.

Thanks Zuri. I suppose if they asked for and were given the tape measure, it's okay with the judge and attnys that they measure out whatever they want. Maybe they were even instructed on reenactments and what they could use the tape measure for. This judge did seem to be careful and instructive toward the jury.

My predicted time for the verdict is approaching, 3:30-4:00 today, I'll be on pins and needles until that half hour passes, and then go back to being impatient. lol

 

[aa9511]

http://focusgroupjuries.wordpress.c...on-between-jury-experiments-and-jury-testing/

It's illegal or prohibited to conduct "experiments" -- I don't know what the legal difference is between jurors experimenting and jurors "testing" the evidence.

Here's the beginning of the article I linked:

"Trial law makes a distinction between improper jury experiments and a jury’s permissible “testing” of the evidence. Improper experiments are those conducted by jury members that have the effect of injecting new evidence into the case not presented by the parties. One well known instance of an improper experiment happened in Ohio vs. Widmer. The issue in that case was determining how long it took a body to dry. The jurors in the case took showers at home and then timed themselves as they air dried. This later became the basis for granting a new trial."


The boat thing from the Scott Peterson trial was an issue with the defense using the boat in court & showing how it was "impossible" for Scott to throw Laci overboard--it wsa an issue of that not being the same conditions as being on the water, etc.

Hmm...that is very interesting. I have no idea what the law says regarding this. I was thinking "re-enacting" along the lines of what the two defense attorneys did (holding the wooden stick, grabbing the other under the arm), and then maybe doing some enactments with the bike, like holding the bike up to see whre the tires would be, etc..

I do think they must be doing some "re-enactments" regarding the order and position of the players when everything happened.

Whether legal or not, I'm pretty sure they are doing it. And I don't think they can get into any trouble for it if it's inside the jury room...for example, with the case of the showers, the jurors actually did deliberations stuff oustide of the jury room. This is all done in the jury room with the tools and evidence already provided to them, so don't see how that could be a problem. Now, it would be different if let's say they brought some tool in from outside or something....