AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #1

[BeanE]

You would think! But yesterday in court she asked the judge what extradition meant. And today she has talked on the phone with the Smiths and the media.

Goodnight!

I'm telling you... she's been reading up on Casey Anthony.

 

[pghbrandi]

O/T, it happened in my town.........
unmarried couple living together had a son about Gabriel's age.
Father had threatened mother with baby over and over.
It was Mother's Day ........I will never forget.
The baby was tossed dead out of the car at night, with a
Happy Mother's Day note on him.................
of course dad is in jail for life.

Passion, I don't remember hearing about that. That is horrible!

 

[Searchfortruth]

This all sounds like retaliation to me, this woman was determined to hurt her sons father. What makes it so disturbing is she used her own baby to do it. Right after the father left her she wanted to get rid of her son, when the dad didn't agree, she decided she would show him. The Smiths need to reconsider just who the abusive one is in this relationship.

 

[pghbrandi]

And we are supposed to believe that? How absurd. I'm pretty sure that if I walked up to a tired mom and babe anywhere and asked that question I get the carp beat outta me. There is something wrong with that lady. Maybe she has that kid right now? Anyone check under her bed lately?

Every mom has had a day where they are just stressed. I have had a few...But if anyone came up to me and implied that I didn't want my child, or asked if they could adopt them.... Well, I can't post what would happen but I can guarantee it would not be nice!

 

[CHICANA]

Smith said "she doesn't want that baby", yet in the same breath talks about the abusive father and how EJ doesn't want the baby around him...which is it ?

It's whichever will get her that baby.
I'm curious about her step-daughter's child she adopted. I wonder if it was voluntary ?
I also wonder who referred EJ to this underground railroad for babies in Texas, it almost sounds possible (in a crazy way) coming from TPS.
Sad, that my only hope for this baby, is that his mom was 'brainwashed' by a bunch of baby stealers into thinking she was doing what was best for him.

 

[momtective]

Every mom has had a day where they are just stressed. I have had a few...But if anyone came up to me and implied that I didn't want my child, or asked if they could adopt them.... Well, I can't post what would happen but I can guarantee it would not be nice!

From her fb the woman was baby shopping in Dec of 08...she was looking for a baby! I don't doubt for a second that she approached EJ in the Airport, she probably commented on the baby and mentioned ever so casually that she and hubby were hoping to adopt. Probably mentioned that they were adopting step daughters little girl H. and how they wanted a playmate for her. EJ probably didn't jump at the opportunity but mentioned that she and Logan had considered adoption and from there the friendship and grooming began. jmo

 

[CHICANA]

Every mom has had a day where they are just stressed. I have had a few...But if anyone came up to me and implied that I didn't want my child, or asked if they could adopt them.... Well, I can't post what would happen but I can guarantee it would not be nice!

But.. TPS is lucky. She just asks and lo and behold, the tired mom does want to give the baby up, and to her no less.

I'm getting a creepy feeling.

 

[pghbrandi]

From her fb the woman was baby shopping in Dec of 08...she was looking for a baby! I don't doubt for a second that she approached EJ in the Airport, she probably commented on the baby and mentioned ever so casually that she and hubby were hoping to adopt. Probably mentioned that they were adopting step daughters little girl H. and how they wanted a playmate for her. EJ probably didn't jump at the opportunity but mentioned that she and Logan had considered adoption and from there the friendship and grooming began. jmo

You are probably right with the grooming. It is just sad to me that people would do this. On both sides. One to go to someone and try to groom them to take their child and two, to give your child away. Maybe I am just naive but I could never, never imagine, no matter how bad the child's mood, be persuaded to give them away. Or to try and take another persons child.

 

[time]

Did anyone else see this?!

This is comment after one of her comments on her pics
"Tammi Peters Smith We are going to be "foster parents"!!! His dad decided to keep him, so wish us luck!!!! We are willing to take a boy ages birth to 4 years old, and/or a girl ages birth to 8 years. We will only take 2 children at most. We don't want a boy older than Hannah due to the fear that he could hurt her, not knowing what kind of background he comes from. They don't tell you the background in their midnight phone call, lol...Please keep praying for Gabriel and his mommy's safety on the road! She found an underground help in TX. that has given her formula/diapers,Etc. and all the legal formalities...Keep praying for his safety!!!!!!!"

There are pics all over her FB wall of baby Gabe!!! This woman had no intentions to truly help Elizabeth-she wanted a baby and she wanted Gabe--
IMO

Great work! I agree with whoever said to get this copied and send to FBI. I found this forum on this case because I thought the Smith's sounded hinky as soon as I read a couple of articles.

 

[iluvmua]

per NG, EJ lawyered up soon after she was arrested

 

[LogicalMinds]

However....it was NOT "grooming" that made this momster leave that baby in dirty diapers for hours and hours

it was not "grooming" that made her make threats about him as soon as he was born

supposedly neighbors heard noises like she was beating him at one time??

JMO>>> this should never have happened...the first time she said/threatened/neglected this baby she should have had the baby removed...put her on "meds"...put her in a mental hospital....or whatever....or let her run wild and free, have fun,
but keep the baby away from her

I don't even feel that sorry for the dad...he does sound like a codependent/abused person, beaten down by her and he SOUNDS as if he loves the baby...and her

however...it "takes two to tango"..and this was a dirty dance IMHO>>> this baby didn't stand a chance here....how could this dad let her continue on the way she treated Gabriel??

Not to mention...where are her parents?? I guess grampa is showing up now....did he know how she acted?? Things don't happen overnight..why was this ongoing abuse of this baby permitted??

 

[MD MOMMY]

What worries me is that another MOMSTER never bonded with her baby.
As NG show says that MOMSTER wouldn't even pick him up and change his diaper........
same position as when father left him for work............
SO, I am thinking another KC......sorry but I do wonder if she did
put him in the diaperbag and threw him in the dumpster as she told the father.
Sometimes we fail to see the truth because it is so BAD!

The only thing I'm hanging on to is an 8 month old isn't fitting in a diaper bag period. I'm a mom of 2 there is no way I could fit them in a diaper bag at 8 months..probably not even at birth could I do that..I'm just hoping that part is a lie.

 

[SuziQ]

From her fb the woman was baby shopping in Dec of 08...she was looking for a baby! I don't doubt for a second that she approached EJ in the Airport, she probably commented on the baby and mentioned ever so casually that she and hubby were hoping to adopt. Probably mentioned that they were adopting step daughters little girl H. and how they wanted a playmate for her. EJ probably didn't jump at the opportunity but mentioned that she and Logan had considered adoption and from there the friendship and grooming began. jmo

She seriously reminds me of Susan Baker.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91203&highlight=Susan+Baker

ETA: I'm dumbfounded that anyone would post on their facebook that they were going babyshopping. THAT give me major heebie jeebies. IMO, she's one step away from stealing a fetus. Unless she gets serious help, we'll be reading about her on the front page of Fox in a few years.

Someone please check under this ladies bed. Seems to me that if mom were to give this baby to anyone it would have been to this baby shopper. And IMO, anyone who babyshops like that must be in a desperate state and willing to circumvent conventional laws.

 

[pghbrandi]

Logical, maybe there were more good days than bad. Maybe he was hoping for the best. Maybe that is why he went to court for custody because of what she wasn't doing for the baby. Obviously she's an unfit momster. Just throwing some thoughts out.

 

[Dear Prudence]

She seriously reminds me of Susan Baker.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91203&highlight=Susan+Baker

ETA: I'm dumbfounded that anyone would post on their facebook that they were going babyshopping. THAT give me major heebie jeebies. IMO, she's one step away from stealing a fetus. Unless she gets serious help, we'll be reading about her on the front page of Fox in a few years.

Someone please check under this ladies bed. Seems to me that if mom were to give this baby to anyone it would have been to this baby shopper. And IMO, anyone who babyshops like that must be in a desperate state and willing to circumvent conventional laws.

I agree there is something really off about Tammi. But, I know I read a news article online earlier that was posted here that LE had already searched the Smith's home.

 

[Salem]

Thanks for the link. The article states the car was found at a Motel 6 across from a Tornado bus station off of Interstate 35. I would think Dec. 27th to Dec. 30th would be a bus ride from San Antonio to Miami.

And, if LE gets lucky, there will be video of EJ at the bus station. I'm hoping LE pulled any tapes and is reviewing them right now.

Salem

 

[Salem]

wth??!!????

I think TFPS is full of BS. NO one would do that. No one normal anyway. Weird. I think TFPS knows where the baby is - maybe she went to TX and met EJ there and picked up Gabe and took him home or to one of her relatives.

What gets me is why NO ONE has come forward to say they have the baby. Its one thing to be part of an "adoption", its another to aid, abet and take part in custodial interference and/or kidnapping. A nice, family couple that would keep a baby would recognize that with the police involved, something was not on the up and up and would contact the police to say they had the baby.

So, in my opinion, either TFPS has the baby somewhere or EJ has done the unthinkable

Salem

 

[Dear Prudence]

I wonder how law enforcement found Elizabeth so quickly in Miami Beach and how they knew to look there. Early reports said she was contacted by LE on the 30th and arrested on the 31st, which sounds strange. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. TPS was saying she was in contact with EJ up until the arrest, so maybe she tipped off LE. Or, maybe the grandfather that EJ has been calling every day from jail notified LE. Don't know who it was but I don't think it was a random citizen.

 

[Salem]

I agree there is something really off about Tammi. But, I know I read a news article online earlier that was posted here that LE had already searched the Smith's home.

Then they should do it again. With a search warrant - check the attic, basement, behind the rafters. Any and all boxes the child might fit in. Any possible hiding spot - the oven, the dishwasher, the washing machine and dryer. I mean any and every spot this child might fit.

The following is pure speculation but I think she has him also. No one in their right mind would help TS hide him, so she has found a place she didn't need to tell anyone about. I wonder if her husband has suspicions? I wonder if TS went on a little ride sometime around Dec 22-26th? Maybe a serious day of Christmas "shopping"?

Salem

 

[BeanE]

I wonder how law enforcement found Elizabeth so quickly in Miami Beach and how they knew to look there. Early reports said she was contacted by LE on the 30th and arrested on the 31st, which sounds strange. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. TPS was saying she was in contact with EJ up until the arrest, so maybe she tipped off LE. Or, maybe the grandfather that EJ has been calling every day from jail notified LE. Don't know who it was but I don't think it was a random citizen.

Eliz updated her myspace on Dec 29. Figure a day for LE to trace it, and they contacted her on Dec 30. The 'tip' would have been the results of the trace.

Maybe Logan saw her myspace updated and notified LE.

Also, I've been wondering how they knew she left San Antonio on Dec 27 without Gabriel as has been reported. I wonder if they checked buses or flights leaving the area and found where she'd left that way. And that there was no baby with her. (I'm betting on a bus btw.)

:cow: