AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #10

[LFlorida]

<big huge snip>

And one word to the wise for Tammi: muzzle.

No, no. I would appreciate it very much if Tammi would provide her viewing audience with a timeline.

 

[OneLove]

It was interview that the Smiths were there also (on the phone) and said to her who told you about the kidnapping? Elizabeth said Logan and that is when Tammi said so basically you were on the ledge and he pushed you over.....Elizabeth said yes. Another thing Tammi said against Logan......grrrr!!!!!
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BBM

Now THAT is a typical borderline personality disorder influenced comment if I ever heard one ! (and I've heard way too many for one lifetime)

 

[kappy50]

Could it be one of these?

Amazon.com: Nuby Snack Cup and Spoon Set, Colors May Vary, 4 Pack

What my grandson has is called "Sassy Teething Feeder". You can get it at Amazon in various colors. Mine just happens to be with a orange ring and a deep dark pink....teeting side and cup

 

[nursebeeme]

No, no. I would appreciate it very much if Tammi would provide her viewing audience with a timeline.

LOL... that is why I prefaced it with 'word to the wise'... She is obviously not that "wise" as she cannot seem to shut her inconsistant yapper.

ETA: after all of her lies would you believe her version of a timeline???

 

[BeanE]

BBM

I believe her comments about Logan not contacting her were meant to be from the time she kicked him out of the house until she ran with Gabe. Any number of the personality disorders she could be afflicted with (narcissistic, histrionic, borderline, etc.) would give her a tendency to use baby Gabe as a weapon and leverage to get attention for herself.

She probably thought when she kicked Logan to the curb that he would "be forced to his knees" and call, whine, plead, beg her forgiveness and promise to be good forever. The longer time went by that he did NOT call HER only reinforced that he did not care for HER, which she bridged to mean that he didn't care for GABE either.

Many ex spouses damage their children in this way. They raise the children to believe that because their other parent didn't love THEM, the parent didn 't love the children either. Sad sad sad the damage I've seen done to children because of this.

I believe Mz E suffered a borderline PD breakdown due to Logan's attention to regaining custody of his son through appropriate channels rather than through attention to HER. I'd love to know more about TS's earlier history and any possible borderline PD behaviors?

I see what you're saying. Because of the conversation prior to her statement, I was taking it to mean while she was in SA, but her 'while I had Gabriel by myself' could refer back to Tempe.

On the BPD, yes, seems to be a candidate, with symptoms since childhood, but I'm not an expert.

Google for the grandfather's statements about her. There are multiple articles containing good info.

But... I'm not sure what caused her fragmentation Dec 8 and beyond. I'd like to know what they argued about Dec 8, and what was going on the week prior. Everybody's keeping mum about it.

 

[KellyConQueso]

I believe the photos of Gabriel came from a camera rather than a cellphone. I believe this because I KNOW a camera will timestamp the pics. Not sure if a phone has that option.

Logan is very smart to stay out of the limelight. He will answer back if you e-mail him.

All digital photographs - whether taken by a regular digital camera or camera phone record [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exif"]Exif[/ame] data. Exif data contains date, camera settings (iso, flash, etc), thumbnail, and in cameras and phones that contain a GPS receiver, the latitude and longitude of where the photo was taken. Exif data can be read using Photoshop and other similar programs. There's a nifty little FireFox extension called Exif Viewer that I recommend anyone download and take a look at some of the info that is included on some of the photos on your hard drive.

Anyhow - Exif data will tell you if the photo has been modified and depending on how the modification was made, the thumbnail may remain unchanged. I'm sure LE has looked at the EXIF data on these photos.

 

[redfish]

All digital photographs - whether taken by a regular digital camera or camera phone record Exif data. Exif data contains date, camera settings (iso, flash, etc), thumbnail, and in cameras and phones that contain a GPS receiver, the latitude and longitude of where the photo was taken. Exif data can be read using Photoshop and other similar programs. There's a nifty little FireFox extension called Exif Viewer that I recommend anyone download and take a look at some of the info that is included on some of the photos on your hard drive.

Anyhow - Exif data will tell you if the photo has been modified and depending on how the modification was made, the thumbnail may remain unchanged. I'm sure LE has looked at the EXIF data on these photos.

Thank you. Now that is some really good infor that I did not know. We really do all carry big brother in our pocket! Hear that Tammi? Baby no way to lie your way out of things anymore. I hope for your sake you are really just misunderstood.

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

What are the criterias for this case to be getting its own forum? I mean....10 threads is plenty long and there is plenty much to discuss and pick apart. Just wondering ?

 

[Amster]

When TS says she didn't have contact after 2pm, could she mean just on that day?

 

[captdj]

Link won't work, nmk.

Okay. Since the context was Tammi now says Logan helped her find Eliz in SA, I thought there was an earlier reference. It didn't occur to me that Tammi didn't know Eliz was in SA until the day she was on the bus leaving there - in fact - Eliz had probably already left. All this time I thought Tammi knew Eliz was in SA as of about Dec 22/23.

That's very, very interesting.

If it's true. :banghead:

Now going back to see if Miss Tammikins ever said she knew Eliz was in SA earlier than Dec 27.

It's just impossible keeping up with this woman.

Maybe not San Antonio but she knew Texas

In a Facebook message posted by Tammi on December 23, she said, "Please keep praying for Gabriel and his Mommy's safety on the road! She has found underground help in TX that has given her formula/diapers, etc. and all the legal formalities... Keep praying for his safety.


http://www.abc15.com/content/news/s...mera-show-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx

 

[not_my_kids]

The mods are surely getting forum requests. They will make a decision based on lots of things, including how much work we are to moderate now. Subforums are a lot of work.
i know there are requests going in.
The best bet is to bring it up, show we support the idea, and hope they give us one.

That's just from watching a lot o cases, some that needed forums and didn't get them, and others that did.
I am not trying to speak for our mods, so please no one get mad at me.

 

[Melanie]

Since Craig Cherry seems to be the talk as of late. Where is he? Has he come forward? I bet he has a story to tell about TS!

MOO

Mel

 

[not_my_kids]

When TS says she didn't have contact after 2pm, could she mean just on that day?

Possible. She says that she lost all contact with her 2 p.m. that day and that was the day she said she killed Gabe and apparently that was the day she would only text, not call.
I can't tell, TS isn't exactly a stickler for clarity, lol.

 

[LFlorida]

LOL... that is why I prefaced it with 'word to the wise'... She is obviously not that "wise" as she cannot seem to shut her inconsistant yapper.

ETA: after all of her lies would you believe her version of a timeline???

Oh, I just think it'd be kinda interesting to see if she could fit her stories into a workable timeline. Just curious.

 

[nursebeeme]

one good thing is that sooner or later Tammi will be proven right or wrong thru her computer activities.

I see Tammi as a narciscistic, self-absorbed woman. One who gets what she wants most of the time. She rationalizes her behavior as "helping" to those she feels "need help". She explains away all of her bad behavior (including illegal behavior) as 'okay' because it is, in her mind, going to what she believes to be the greater good. She has gotten in WAY over her head with Elizabeth, Logan and Gabe. I think she GREATLY underestimated Logan. She did not figure him to be the stand up Daddy that he is proving to be. She banked her money on Elizabeth blindly because of her own selfish desires to have baby Gabe. I tend to think she is now backpedaling furiously to redeem herself and still look "right" to anyone watching this case.

I also **duck** because it is not popular opinion... but I am not yet convinced that Tammi had anything to do with Gabe ultimately vanishing.

I tend to think that when Elizabeth figured out the gig was up with the Smiths... that Logan would NOT sign the papers and wanted his child, that Elizabeth moved on to bigger and better plans. I think that is why she continues to talk to Tammi.... who has now turned into Elizabeth's convenient Patsy. The more focused LE is on Tammi they don't focus on what really happened to Gabe and where he might be. I bet Elizabeth is smirking in her jail cell just LOVING this~

((((moooo and just my two cents... no throwing rotten fruit at nurse, k ;-)

 

[nursebeeme]

What are the criterias for this case to be getting its own forum? I mean....10 threads is plenty long and there is plenty much to discuss and pick apart. Just wondering ?

you can PM a mod to ask. (aside: Somer Thompson has 34 threads and no forum yet...)

 

[eleven]

This is a link to their home in Nashville. In JS name only. If you look at the mailing address of the owner, it is in AZ. Google the mailing address and tons of healing waters colon therapy stuff comes up, so it is definitely theirs.

Maybe LE should be knocking on that door in Nashville to see if anyone answers?

http://170.190.30.53/WebproNashville/Summary.asp?A1=1102857&A2=1

 

[not_my_kids]

The original healing waters was in Nashville, but that was sold to someone else.
I can't for the life of me remember where I saw that, and I don't have a link, but it was right after the info about JM came out.

 

[Elphaba]

Only thing about EXIF on regular cameras (vs cellphones) if the camera has not been properly set with time and date, that can throw things off. I had a camera with a bad internal battery and it kept on shooting everything as of January 1, 2000 with a time of 00:00:01. I have one camera that I accidently set the time wrong one time and it shoots 12 hours off.

 

[luckygirl]

This is a link to their home in Nashville. In JS name only. If you look at the mailing address of the owner, it is in AZ. Google the mailing address and tons of healing waters colon therapy stuff comes up, so it is definitely theirs.

Maybe LE should be knocking on that door in Nashville to see if anyone answers?

http://170.190.30.53/WebproNashville/Summary.asp?A1=1102857&A2=1

Oh darn, the link does not work