AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #13

[PercyVeer]

Trip, Trap.
Where is the Baby Gabriel ? I hope he is safe, but how can we know?
peace, everybody. g'night.

 

[TearsforCaylee]

One thing that keeps grating on me however is that several articles keep commenting on "prescription pill bottle" with Gabriel ... but haven't we all figured out that the bottle was in fact a Tylenol bottle? It definitely looks like one to me ... we had many over the years when our kids were a little younger and I believe I do remember a Tylenol bottle not long ago that was actually purple. The babysitter also mentioned the "Tylenol" specifically in her interview (although I admit some of her recollections seem fuzzy and downright inaccurate in parts).

That said however, Infant Tylenol can still overdose a child, especially an 8-mth old one if given way too much. From the one photo of GJ drinking out of what appeared to be the medicine cup, it does look as if there is an awful lot of medicine inside it ... way more than the normal dose for an 8-mth old, which isn't very much at all. Still ... the whole suffocation word in the comments made by LE just bring tears to my eyes.

 

[BeanE]

Are you sure you read what I wrote?

I only said she has possibly given all she can as related to identifying a person or a couple that Gabriel could have been handed off to, basically

Yes, I really did, time, and as I said, I just don't understand, unless maybe you mean that somehow she has absolutely no information whatsoever to give. And I couldn't think of any way that could be possible.

I just can't think of a way a person can meet another person or a couple, and give them their baby, and have no information, and I don't understand how a person can possibly have given all info she can when she's given no information whatsoever.

Sorry. I'm not the smartest person in the world, and I just can't make the connection.

 

[PercyVeer]

PS I aint puttin no halo on any criminal or forger at this point.

 

[BeanE]

Wow ... this is the 1st time I have ever seen or heard the actual word "suffocated" in any news article. The fact that mothers often use "soft kills" when they do away with their children instead of other measures does make it seem plausible that EJ might in fact have done something horrible to this beautiful little boy. The fact that we heard the word "blue body" before now where actual suffocation is mentioned, always creeped me out before because suffocation was the 1st thing that came to mind, then potential over-drugging possibly. This seriously makes me re-think the whole waterboarding phenomena ... she is completely heartless if she honestly did something to this innocent, defenseless little baby!

Dear God. No. I never saw before either that she had been that specific.

Poor Gabriel. Poor Logan.

 

[Mels3kidz]

True, and Gabriel's daddy didn't seem to be worried about mountain cedar allergies. I could be wrong.

Presuming that little Gabriel was allergic to mountain cedar (and it is nothing but speculation at this point) LM most likely wouldn't have known about it (especially if they don't have it in AZ). Mountain Cedar season is December through March. Gabriel wasn't born until May so he would have never experienced it before.

My parents didn't know that I was allergic to cedar until I was 6 months old and they put up a live tree for Christmas (and had to promptly take it down Christmas Eve when the peditrician told them to get that tree out of the house!)

Melissa

 

[DairyGirl]

McQueary said he has wrestled with whether to visit Johnson in jail and whether that would make her more likely to speak or further anger her.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/19/20100119baby0119.html

I suggested something like that earlier today. It has been suggested that she is Borderline. From what I have seen, people with Borderline can run hot and cold. A lot of their outbursts come from the fear of abandonment. I know that EJ and LM have broken up before and gotten back together, even after he had a restraining order against her. They do have a long history together. I don't know if she would ever tell him if she hurt Gabriel but maybe if she really did give him away and she thought they might get back together again she may help find him. As I said earlier I am grasping at straws, as I am sure Logan is.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Here's what I'm thinking. If EJ CAN'T tell LE more about a couple who may taken Gabriel, why can't she tell them the details leading up to what happened? It doesn't appear that she is telling them anything. Most of what we have heard has come from TPS, and we can't believe what TPS has said because she has admitted that she has lied about certain things. The media has reported that EJ has told LE nothing of value, and has only asked them for water and to go to the bathroom. This tells me that EJ is hiding something, and it's more than just an illegal adoption.

 

[captdj]

Four of those listed are in Balcones Heights. Let me keep looking for that darned article.

Melissa

Map of red light camera


http://www.photoenforced.com/texas.html

I see one on Fredricksburg at Hwy#410.... This road goes right in front of EJ hotel- Homegate and Quailty Inn and if she was headed south on her appointment she might take this road instead of I-10... google says this red light is 8 minutes away from Homegate....

 

[BeanE]

"I've never seen him look like that," his father, Logan McQueary, said.

"I saw that picture and I just started crying. Even when he was tired, he never looked like that."

Okay, so that puts to rest teething, allergies, cold, sick, flashes from cameras, sleepy, etc, because Gabriel's father, who knows him better than anyoneelse, now states that he has never seen Gabriel look like that.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/19/20100119baby0119.html

 

[Gypsy Road]

What's up with the thread? Quotes are showing up that aren't connected to the right WS posters. What's up with that?

 

[BeanE]

Gypsy road, in your post 610, would you please edit? Quotes are broken again, and that's not my post.

Thanks!

 

[mamaeb]

What's up with the thread? Quotes are showing up that aren't connected to the right WS posters. What's up with that?

I know! I keep seeing posters asking to change the quotes.. wth?

 

[DairyGirl]

As other people have mentioned, I don't see giving Tylenol as a means to dope up a baby. If anything I would see someone using Benadryl as that is known to make people sleepy. While it is never a good idea to over use it or any other medicine for that matter, I can't imagine it being used to overdose a baby. I would think it would take a long time and from what I understand it can cause liver damage if too much is given but I have never heard of it being used to kill a baby, although I could be wrong. Maybe the baby sitter misunderstood EJ. She might have been saying if he is fussy give him more Tylenol to make him feel better, not to drug him up. I am concerned that in several of those pictures he does have medicine. Maybe she thought it could drug him up? Also, in that one picture, he looks sleepy to me. I wonder what time it was? Maybe she kept him up way past his bed time.

 

[SallyManda]

Yes, she said Gabriel was dirty, and as an example, said he had dried 'boogers' around his nose.

She stated that he did not show any symptoms of being sick.

You stated it as fact that he was ill. I haven't seen any confirmation from anyone who knew or saw him that he was ill.

I just reread the original transcript from nancy grace. She did say he didn't appear ill (which I had missed initially),

But boogers around his nose and being unhappy, still makes me think otherwise.

I deleted my post that said apparently ill.

 

[Marigold]

Dear God. No. I never saw before either that she had been that specific.

Poor Gabriel. Poor Logan.

I am pretty sure I heard that EJ specifically mentioned suffocation the very first time I heard this story, but I believe it was only on the local broadcast news.

I think some reporters aren't doing a credible job of reporting and keeping the facts straight. I wonder why this part of EJ's story wasn't mentioned until now?

 

[Gypsy Road]

Gypsy road, in your post 610, would you please edit? Quotes are broken again, and that's not my post.

Thanks!

Hey BeanE! Will do. Something is wierd with the posts! Quotes are getting all screwy. I reported the problem to the moderator.

 

[Marigold]

Iirc, if there is a problem with quotes, we should all stop quoting each other and send the info to a mod so they can clean up the thread. Anyone else heard this before?

 

[DairyGirl]

Marigold (not quoting you as requested) I have seen this happen on other boards I've been on. Not sure what causes it.

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

I'm sure this has been posted several pages ago and discussed as well. Just wanted to post the link for anyone who missed it

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/fears-of-baby-gabriel's-death-mount-1-18-2010