AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #13

[vjlaw]

Oh Lord BeanE, I hadn't read where Logan said that! That's just heartbreaking....I've looked at that pic and gone back and forth about the reason for Gabriel appearing that way. Logan would know though, he has seen him sleepy/hungry/sick I imagine and for him to say he has never seen Gabriel that way before....just gives me cold chills..[/QUOTE]


This is Mountain Cedar season in Texas. I don't know if they have mountain cedar in AZ but it is a miserable time for allergies. That could explain why he looks that way.

The 1st time my mother-in-law experienced it she thought that she was having a heart attack, we actually had to take her to the ER. If it would make an adult feel like that imagine how miserable it would make a little baby.

Melissa

They babysitter, iirc, mentioned orajel in the room. Sounds like he could have been teething.

 

[Ives]

Oh Lord BeanE, I hadn't read where Logan said that! That's just heartbreaking....I've looked at that pic and gone back and forth about the reason for Gabriel appearing that way. Logan would know though, he has seen him sleepy/hungry/sick I imagine and for him to say he has never seen Gabriel that way before....just gives me cold chills..[/QUOTE]


This is Mountain Cedar season in Texas. I don't know if they have mountain cedar in AZ but it is a miserable time for allergies. That could explain why he looks that way.

The 1st time my mother-in-law experienced it she thought that she was having a heart attack, we actually had to take her to the ER. If it would make an adult feel like that imagine how miserable it would make a little baby.

Melissa

Now that you mention it, yes, it is Mountain cedar time! I personally never had allergies, until I came to SA, and it is AWFUL!! (mountain cedar that is) glad you remembered this! thanks!

 

[txsvicki]

Oh Lord BeanE, I hadn't read where Logan said that! That's just heartbreaking....I've looked at that pic and gone back and forth about the reason for Gabriel appearing that way. Logan would know though, he has seen him sleepy/hungry/sick I imagine and for him to say he has never seen Gabriel that way before....just gives me cold chills..[/QUOTE]


This is Mountain Cedar season in Texas. I don't know if they have mountain cedar in AZ but it is a miserable time for allergies. That could explain why he looks that way.

The 1st time my mother-in-law experienced it she thought that she was having a heart attack, we actually had to take her to the ER. If it would make an adult feel like that imagine how miserable it would make a little baby.

Melissa

Except that Gabriel's eyes weren't red, no red cheeks, or red and runny nose. The lids were very heavy and the eyes didn't look right. One eye was even droopier than the other and focused a little off to the side. He wasn't holding himself up very far either. The dried boogers the babysitter saw could have been from him being sick or could also have been from crying and not being cleaned in hours or days.

 

[BeanE]

Im not saying he doesn't know his baby..but I am saying its perfectly reasonable that these pictures may be due to a flash in a dark hotel room..
I'd show you some of my baby but I've deleted them all after I put them on my computer.

I have many of myself like that too.

We'll have to agree to disagree

I don't think that explanation is perfectly reasonable, particularly given what Gabriel's father has said.

 

[PercyVeer]

:truce:
Well, I am putting this flag up in advance.
I have re-read some of the old and read all of the new threads before yapping.
I wish more would try it.
Reviewed some old videos and read several comments on news sites and web.
I am still waiting for Wednesday.
Here goes:
I do not trust most of what has been said so far.
I see damage control. Some people are commenting
saying TS has no record.
I have seen the same for LM, saying he has none.
I see EJ lawyer telling her not to talk and she doesn't talk.
Should I trust an earlier TV interview where Tammy says LM was gonna dump EJ in the Desert?
Should I trust a text from the Mom's number that says
I killed G?
Should I trust a GF who seems to be disconnected?
Should I trust a babysitter who talked to TS first, or a
desk clerk who says it was someone else babysitting?
Should I trust a person who won't say where her baby is?
Or,
Should I trust info coming out that says
TS has a crim. record,
EJ has a crim. record,
LM has a crim. record.
Then what ? I am left just worried about the baby Gabe.
Waiting for Wednesday.
IMO there are liars on all sides.
I really have hope Gabe is alive.
raying:

 

[SallyManda]

We'll have to agree to disagree

I don't think that explanation is perfectly reasonable, particularly given what Gabriel's father has said.

you seriously have never had a flash give you droopy eyes from blinking in a picture?

 

[SallyManda]

:truce:
Well, I am putting this flag up in advance.
I have re-read some of the old and read all of the new threads before yapping.
I wish more would try it.
Reviewed some old videos and read several comments on news sites and web.
I am still waiting for Wednesday.
Here goes:
I do not trust most of what has been said so far.
I see damage control. Some people are commenting
saying TS has no record.
I have seen the same for LM, saying he has none.
I see EJ lawyer telling her not to talk and she doesn't talk.
Should I trust an earlier TV interview where Tammy says LM was gonna dump EJ in the Desert?
Should I trust a text from the Mom's number that says
I killed G?
Should I trust a GF who seems to be disconnected?
Should I trust a babysitter who talked to TS first, or a
desk clerk who says it was someone else babysitting?
Should I trust a person who won't say where her baby is?
Or,
Should I trust info coming out that says
TS has a crim. record,
EJ has a crim. record,
LM has a crim. record.
Then what ? I am left just worried about the baby Gabe.
Waiting for Wednesday.
IMO there are liars on all sides.
I really have hope Gabe is alive.
raying:

Well said!

 

[Mels3kidz]

Do red light cameras only go off when someone runs a light? Wonder if they had those there.

Nope. There are no red light cameras in S.A.

Melissa

 

[captdj]

Do red light cameras only go off when someone runs a light? Wonder if they had those there.

Im searching for any...I noticed there is a police sub station on Prue st which is the road that turn on to Laureate st.... business security cams might have some pointed toward the road s also.. There are just a few street options leaving the hotel complex....

 

[BeanE]

Also...he was apparently ill...That certainly makes people look droopy. My son hasn't been ill yet and hes about the same age.

Who confirmed that he was ill? An eyewitness, the babysitter, said he did not seem ill. No fever, no runny nose, etc.

Has LE stated that Gabriel was ill?

 

[SallyManda]

I also want to say that the baby sitter saying little man was acting "scared" well babies have stranger anxiety and separation anxiety at this age. My son at 7 months screamed for about two days straight at his great grandmother and great grandfather and pretty much all of our relatives at Christmas. It took about 2 days for him to sleep and settle down around everyone. Just that kind of trip alone can be very stressful/tiring on a baby.

 

[mamaeb]

I also want to say that the baby sitter saying little man was acting "scared" well babies have stranger anxiety and separation anxiety at this age. My son at 7 months screamed for about two days straight at his great grandmother and great grandfather and pretty much all of our relatives at Christmas. It took about 2 days for him to sleep and settle down around everyone. Just that kind of trip alone can be very stressful/tiring on a baby.

especially with a baby who's mom had been in jail. who was between parents. who was left with the smiths for 10 days.
Who just had a long car ride...
who has a bad mommy...

 

[mamaeb]

Who confirmed that he was ill? An eyewitness, the babysitter, said he did not seem ill. No fever, no runny nose, etc.

Has LE stated that Gabriel was ill?

All I have read/heard was that he was teething.

 

[BeanE]

I've tried to explain my reasoning everyway I know how. I'm leaving now

I'm sorry I wasn't able to understand your conclusion that Eliz had given all the information she could, although LE stated she had given no information. I just don't understand.

 

[vjlaw]

Who confirmed that he was ill? An eyewitness, the babysitter, said he did not seem ill. No fever, no runny nose, etc.

Has LE stated that Gabriel was ill?

She did mention orajel in the room. Sounds like he was teething.

 

[Ives]

Nope. There are no red light cameras in S.A.

Melissa

not to be rude or snarky :blowkiss: But all those cameras on top of the lights around here, are not red light cameras?? I have been stopping for nothing?? LOL. J/K
But There are red light cameras, not at every light, but they are all around, maby it depends on the side of town?? Unless those cameras are for something else? I'm on the not so good side, but I would think they would be on the northside and northwest side also. MOO

 

[BeanE]

Oh Lord BeanE, I hadn't read where Logan said that! That's just heartbreaking....I've looked at that pic and gone back and forth about the reason for Gabriel appearing that way. Logan would know though, he has seen him sleepy/hungry/sick I imagine and for him to say he has never seen Gabriel that way before....just gives me cold chills..[/QUOTE]


This is Mountain Cedar season in Texas. I don't know if they have mountain cedar in AZ but it is a miserable time for allergies. That could explain why he looks that way.

The 1st time my mother-in-law experienced it she thought that she was having a heart attack, we actually had to take her to the ER. If it would make an adult feel like that imagine how miserable it would make a little baby.

Melissa

Has anyone confirmed that Gabriel has mountain cedar allergies?

 

[SallyManda]

Who confirmed that he was ill? An eyewitness, the babysitter, said he did not seem ill. No fever, no runny nose, etc.

Has LE stated that Gabriel was ill?

Babysitter (only one who was actually there) said dried boogers. My son doesn't really get dried boogers maybe one ONCE in while. I dont know if she took his temperature or if there was even a thermometer. If he was acting "off" that could explain it.

 

[BeanE]

you seriously have never had a flash give you droopy eyes from blinking in a picture?

I don't see what that has to do with this thread, which is about Gabriel.

 

[SallyManda]

I don't see what that has to do with this thread, which is about Gabriel.

I just don't understand why drooping eyes in a photo means hes been drugged, particularly when hes holding his head up.
I think that's a big what if right now.