AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #15

[mamaeb]

You don't think EJ would have rolled on Tammi by now ?

Is it possible that EJ is talking but doesn't know where Gabe is and LE is denying it so Tammi leads them to the baby ?

IDK, last night I was crying because I was sure he was dead, but there are so many spins on this that I'm not giving up all hope just yet.
I also get the feeling that TPS is throwing out false leads to deter the investigation.

I was thinking this. Maybe they are making it seem like he is dead so tammi will start to feel confident and make stupid moves

 

[mommavi1181]

Re-posting this in the hope that we can keep candles burning for Gabe until he is home again.

For those members who can not attend Gabriel's actual Candlelight Vigil, you can light a candle for him at this website. After you click the link below, you will be directed to the website, from there just click on an un-lit candle and follow instructions from there.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=BGM

Thanks, I lit a candle for baby Gabriel.

 

[redfish]

I just know Tammi is purposely gumming up the works... at least for the public. I sure don't for one minute think FBI and LE are as confused as we are! Surely there is some good evidence left out there. Maybe not a location but at least some arrows that point directly to them.

 

[Ives]

yes she wrote on the surrogate site that she had an emergency hysterectomy 10 years ago

Ok. thanks. I'm wondering about her compulsion to adopt children, almost like she is replaceing the ones she sighned away, (No offense, lack of better wording in my tired mind)

I gave 3 children up. and I did want more. I knew this. I wanted 3. Not too replace my children, because they can never be replaced, but because I did want to be a mom, just at 19, was not my time. I have always wanted to raise 3. was it a subconsience thing? IDK, but it was a sort of compulsion. KWIM?? am I makeing any sense? I'm trying to get into TS' mind, useing my on experiences. apparently it's working, because I have misspelled so many words, LOL.

anyway, even when I had my first after adoption(number4), I was so scared to love him, and bond. I did, but in a weird stand offish kind of way. I am just now able to love my 3 children at home, with no holds barred, without being scared I would "fail". I guess my point if there is one, TS should surely be Scarred on the inside, and that affects people differently. loseing a child or more than one is almost like death itself. Maybe, just maybe, the fact that she had the emergency historectomy, though at the time was not so bad, she had her kids, is what kind of drove her? she couldn't have a child with Jack. But she desperatley needs too "replace" the ones she lost? and H fell into their laps quite nicely. Now H needs a sibling??

Gosh hope that makes some kind of sense? and don't hate me, LOL, Just trying to shine a tiny insight on how things can be for someone who gives up children. by force or choice. My kids were 5, 3, and 1 yrs old. It hurt like h@ll

 

[looking4clues]

I was thinking this. Maybe they are making it seem like he is dead so tammi will start to feel confident and make stupid moves

I've been thinking that, too. TS sure looked different on NG tonight than in the past.

I've also been wondering if this is much bigger than just Gabriel and EJ. What if it's a larger case? I'm hoping that for Gabriel's sake and that's the reason we keep getting such mixed signals.

 

[OneLove]

I don't believe that Tammi and Jack loved him. They wanted him. They loved Gabriel the way I love my truck or the way I love my house. Not the way you love a child.
Just my opinion.

For sure, not the way you're SUPPOSED to love a child. But I would add that love is imperfect for many people, especially a struggle for those with difficult complicated pasts and/or personality disorders.

:truce:

 

[DairyGirl]

Maybe, TS was looking at serrogates, but TS is young and previously birthed children. I'm guessing her tubes are tied or emergency Histerectomy, due to complications, so the need to "adopt"??

Anyone know if the eggs can still be used if your tubes are tied? just curious.

On an O/T note, my sister informed me today, that haveing a C-section means you have a 50% chance of death on the table:waitasec: she is about to have her 5th child. I wonder why some people have children?? Good thing she has "beat the odds" 3 times :doh:

That doesn't sound right. 50% of people having c secs die? I've had 2 and I'm still here.

 

[kissdegirl]

IDK, last night I was crying because I was sure he was dead, but there are so many spins on this that I'm not giving up all hope just yet.
QUOTE]

I have been like this all week. It's like one day I go to bed hopeful, then the next some new twist comes along that makes me doubt.

I am new here, but I've been wanting to join this conversation since I found you all a couple days ago. It took awhile to get my account activated, but here I finally am. Hello :wave: I live near Dallas and just heard about this sweet baby over the weekend. I am pretty upset that TX news isn't doing more to get his story out there.

I feel as though he could be hidden quite easily here. It's a big state, and anyone with a little land/ranch/farm could easily keep a child there without anyone knowing. I just hope if this is the case, he is in good hands.

I was searching today and found an interesting site, where the person deciphers body language, and she discusses the Smith's interview. Let me know if I'm not supposed to post the link.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-smith-couple%E2%80%99s-persons-of-interest-body-language-show-they-appear-to-know-more-about-baby-gabriel-and-show-major-signals-of-deception/

 

[OneLove]

Ok. thanks. I'm wondering about her compulsion to adopt children, almost like she is replaceing the ones she sighned away, (No offense, lack of better wording in my tired mind)

I gave 3 children up. and I did want more. I knew this. I wanted 3. Not too replace my children, because they can never be replaced, but because I did want to be a mom, just at 19, was not my time. I have always wanted to raise 3. was it a subconsience thing? IDK, but it was a sort of compulsion. KWIM?? am I makeing any sense? I'm trying to get into TS' mind, useing my on experiences. apparently it's working, because I have misspelled so many words, LOL.

anyway, even when I had my first after adoption(number4), I was so scared to love him, and bond. I did, but in a weird stand offish kind of way. I am just now able to love my 3 children at home, with no holds barred, without being scared I would "fail". I guess my point if there is one, TS should surely be Scarred on the inside, and that affects people differently. loseing a child or more than one is almost like death itself. Maybe, just maybe, the fact that she had the emergency historectomy, though at the time was not so bad, she had her kids, is what kind of drove her? she couldn't have a child with Jack. But she desperatley needs too "replace" the ones she lost? and H fell into their laps quite nicely. Now H needs a sibling??

Gosh hope that makes some kind of sense? and don't hate me, LOL, Just trying to shine a tiny insight on how things can be for someone who gives up children. by force or choice. My kids were 5, 3, and 1 yrs old. It hurt like h@ll

Ives, may I say that I deeply appreciate your participation here and how forthcoming you are with insightful information, even when it is painful for you. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. :balloons::sunshine::sunshine::sunshine:

 

[mamaeb]

.....Gosh hope that makes some kind of sense? and don't hate me, LOL, Just trying to shine a tiny insight on how things can be for someone who gives up children. by force or choice. My kids were 5, 3, and 1 yrs old. It hurt like h@ll

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I really appreciate you giving your feelings and background. I am glad things are going good for you and your kids now!

 

[OneLove]

IDK, last night I was crying because I was sure he was dead, but there are so many spins on this that I'm not giving up all hope just yet.
QUOTE]

I have been like this all week. It's like one day I go to bed hopeful, then the next some new twist comes along that makes me doubt.

I am new here, but I've been wanting to join this conversation since I found you all a couple days ago. It took awhile to get my account activated, but here I finally am. Hello :wave: I live near Dallas and just heard about this sweet baby over the weekend. I am pretty upset that TX news isn't doing more to get his story out there.

I feel as though he could be hidden quite easily here. It's a big state, and anyone with a little land/ranch/farm could easily keep a child there without anyone knowing. I just hope if this is the case, he is in good hands.

I was searching today and found an interesting site, where the person deciphers body language, and she discusses the Smith's interview. Let me know if I'm not supposed to post the link.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-smith-couple%E2%80%99s-persons-of-interest-body-language-show-they-appear-to-know-more-about-baby-gabriel-and-show-major-signals-of-deception/

Welcome, kissdegirl. I hope you stick around and help us. You confirm what we have been thinking about that area as far as being able to easily hide a child for some time there. On the links, I'm not a good person to answer any questions, as I'm pretty much new too, and not nearly as techno savvy as most here. Just wanted to say thanks, and welcome.:Welcome-12-june:

 

[Ives]

Ives, may I say that I deeply appreciate your participation here and how forthcoming you are with insightful information, even when it is painful for you. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. :balloons::sunshine::sunshine::sunshine:

I have lived a very rough life, (thanks mom!!) I have done, seen, and been a part of things, noone should have too. and having that "inside" feel, can be used for good, KWIM? It took alot to change my life, but all that dark info is in me, It was how I was raised. what I perceived as normal. for instance, baby Shaniya, I CANNOT read her story, It hurts soo bad, It hits way to close to home If you get what I am saying.

I guess, it can give another perspective into things. and I would bare my soul if gabriel would just be brought home.

 

[kissdegirl]

I also wanted to add that today's silence from all the players in this case is maddening! I feel as though it's the calm before the storm, almost as if there has been a development with LE or the FBI so suddenly everyone clams up and no one's talking today??? :snooty:

Or wishful thinking that Gabriel's poor family gets some real answers today.

 

[mamaeb]

GRACE: Well, we know, Eva, that when she got on the bus in San Antonio to go to Miami Beach, she was alone. She did not have the baby with her. Is that correct, Mike Sakal?

SAKAL: That is correct. She was seen on video surveillance leaving the parking lot of the Motel 6 without the child, going towards the bus station. She did have a backpack on her, or a duffel bag. We do not know what was in that duffel bag, but she was not seen with the child as she was getting on the bus.

GRACE: To Matt Zarrell. Was that duffel bag recovered when she was arrested?

ZARRELL: As far as we know, it was not at this point. Police aren`t saying.

GRACE: Because if they`ve got it, they can check it for DNA.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/20/ng.01.html

 

[CHICANA]

IDK, last night I was crying because I was sure he was dead, but there are so many spins on this that I'm not giving up all hope just yet.
QUOTE]

I have been like this all week. It's like one day I go to bed hopeful, then the next some new twist comes along that makes me doubt.

I am new here, but I've been wanting to join this conversation since I found you all a couple days ago. It took awhile to get my account activated, but here I finally am. Hello :wave: I live near Dallas and just heard about this sweet baby over the weekend. I am pretty upset that TX news isn't doing more to get his story out there.

I feel as though he could be hidden quite easily here. It's a big state, and anyone with a little land/ranch/farm could easily keep a child there without anyone knowing. I just hope if this is the case, he is in good hands.

I was searching today and found an interesting site, where the person deciphers body language, and she discusses the Smith's interview. Let me know if I'm not supposed to post the link.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-smith-couple%E2%80%99s-persons-of-interest-body-language-show-they-appear-to-know-more-about-baby-gabriel-and-show-major-signals-of-deception/

I like this. And she brought up something obvious that I'd never thought of. Why were these two Arizona resindents at a Boston airport at the same time ?

 

[OneLove]

I have lived a very rough life, (thanks mom!!) I have done, seen, and been a part of things, noone should have too. and having that "inside" feel, can be used for good, KWIM? It took alot to change my life, but all that dark info is in me, It was how I was raised. what I perceived as normal. for instance, baby Shaniya, I CANNOT read her story, It hurts soo bad, It hits way to close to home If you get what I am saying.

I guess, it can give another perspective into things. and I would bare my soul if gabriel would just be brought home.

And here you are with such a beautiful heart, trying to help other innocent victims. May your efforts be healing and satisfying for you. :blowkiss:

 

[Ives]

O/T, I guess the nanny does exsist, lol, glad these kids are safe!!
http://www.ksat.com/news/22286164/detail.html

I can find nothing new on any news sites, frustrating. hopefully it is the calm before the storm. and what exactly was the hearing about? I know here n SA there is alot of court dates set, just to reset them. I have heard numerous times, cases being put off for over a year, by the court itself. Is Pheonix big? Like SA?? If they have a big jail population, this could be it, and the LE are buying more time??

Edit- why did I say pheonix?? It's Tempe correct?? Me thinks it's time for bed!

 

[kissdegirl]

I like this. And she brought up something obvious that I'd never thought of. Why were these two Arizona resindents at a Boston airport at the same time ?

Yes! I think there is more to their meeting in Boston. You bump into someone who is looking to adopt, and instantly TS loves the baby and they're going to try to get him? Too weird! Too weird also that she then helps forge documents and is in on EJ's running with him.

Also, if this babysitter thing provides nothing more, I think the 2 hours EJ was out that day needs to be probed. Are there no camera's in the area that caught her leaving, or meeting someone, anything?

As far as giving Gabriel to someone and not taking the carseat...it could simply be that they had one ready for him, if this was prearranged. Maybe a girly one and girl clothes too.

This is all so confusing, so many possible scenarios.

 

[gitana1]

Earlier, someone asked what points to TPS as a baby broker or smuggler. For a long time, I thought nothing did. But then someone posted to a link on the last thread, that was a surrgocacy site for TPS. It showed she was looking for a surrogate but she also had a tag that read: "Looking for a Surrgoate?", or something like that, it might even have said "Trying to find a Baby?" and the rest indicated she could help.
I seem to remember also seeing her messages to others, somewhere, either facebook, or myspace, that indicated she was speaking to others about their attempts to adopt.
I am not a conspiracy type person and I like evidence, something before jumping to conclusions. So I don't know.
What I do know is that there is something wrong with the Smiths, IMO. I haven't figured out what.
Everything about them seems weird to me - their reactions, lack thereof, the inconsistencies or straight out lies, the fact that they are still so involved, in the media, that TPS falsified documents to get custody of Gabriel, etc. Huge red flags to me. At first I thought they could be involved, but only by hiding the baby for themselves, to possibly regain custody when everything died down. I thought the theory that they are brokers for others was too far out of left field. Now, I'm not so sure.
However, nothing, not how EJ got a babysitter or had Gabriel looking relatively clean and cared for, not the homey pictures in the hotel, not her possible attempts to lessen Gabriel's teething pain, nothing persuades me that she is not capable of killing her child, either on a whim or with planning.
On the other hand, despite Logan's comments, I don't think the "drugged" or sleepy photos necessarily indicate EJ drugged her son to death. She could have, but what I see in those hotel photos is a little boy who is not feeling too well, is being carted around and moved around to various homes, etc., and who does not have a mother who loves him enough. Poor little guy.
I keep thinking something will tip the balance to get me off the fence, but nothing does yet.

 

[kaymo]

Maybe, TS was looking at serrogates, but TS is young and previously birthed children. I'm guessing her tubes are tied or emergency Histerectomy, due to complications, so the need to "adopt"??

Anyone know if the eggs can still be used if your tubes are tied? just curious.

On an O/T note, my sister informed me today, that haveing a C-section means you have a 50% chance of death on the table:waitasec: she is about to have her 5th child. I wonder why some people have children?? Good thing she has "beat the odds" 3 times :doh:

She probably can't conceive for whatever reason (age, tubal, etc). Yes eggs can be harvested if the tubes were "tied".

O/T Hopefully your sister has a healthy baby and healthy delivery. I want to reassure you that the mortality rate for c-sections is less than 0.02% not 50%.