AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #16

[BeanE]

I don't know why I didn't think of this before. I should have thought of this at the very beginning of the case.

I went to San Antonio for a vacation years ago. A big thing to do there is to go to a big mexican market. This would have been appealing to Eliz I think. There are lots of shops with very inexpensive, colorful, fun clothing and beautiful silver jewelry. She likes fashion.

There are many, many people milling about, shopping. Lots of activity. Mexican dancers and singers and strolling musicians. Many tourists from all over the U.S.

I've been wracking my brain trying to think of where she might have gone to give Gabriel away so quickly at Christmas time.

This place is a huge candidate. It would have been open. It was Christmas time. Many people would have been there. It's a big tourist attraction.

It just hit me, and all my instincts are telling me this is a huge possibility. My stomach is in a knot.

We need to get flyers here:

Market Square - El Mercado
514 W. Commerce, San Antonio, TX 78207
http://www.sanantonio.gov/dtops/marketsquare/?res=1366&ver=true

I think this is a top candidate for where she could have gone under the circumstances she was in to find someone to give Gabe to quickly.

I just don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. I should have.

I wonder if that Christmas sleeper Gabe was wearing in the released pics came from there. And the hat he was wearing.

 

[LogicalMinds]

And that is your opinion. But in the name of having hope, any productive ideas you may have, feel free to throw them out there.

Yes...it is my opinion. I have seen stuff about Gabriel when I log into my aol and att.net accounts....on the first page

I would think that "new adoptive" parents would be interested to read that same info on their computers/ or watch it on their tv...

IF there is an "adoptive" family....and IF there is (a big if to me) I think they would surely be aware that they have a "missing" baby who is being searched for...they have put out various "public service" stuff to "turn him in, take him to a police station or hospital no questions asked"...

so IF "they" have him they are not turning him in, they are "hiding" him, IF "they" have him they may be hiding out, dressing him as a girl, dye his hair etc or in a remote place or another country...that is "if" they exist (I more and more don't think they do)

I find it pretty statisically hard to think that some "innocent' new adoptive mother has managed to avoid the press/info/coverage of this case yet will somehow log into an obscure forum and "see" the missing poster

I think the most probable thing is that Gabe is no longer with us,
OR....somehow Elizabeth did an underhand deal and sold or gave him away
and the people who have him have no intention of "doing the right thing"

Either way I don't think that posting on "mommy" lists or forums or craigslist is going to do much good. ONE person "knows">> and that is Elizabeth

I think the key now is for LE to step up with shrinks/psychologists....maybe put an informant in her cell....appeal to her in some way...maybe her brother or grandfather can appeal to her....or "cut a deal" with her legally??

JMO of course

 

[NewMommy09]

Sorry but I don't think the "online media blitz" for Susan Powell is going to do any more good than posting in "new mommy forums" or play groups etc will do to find Gabe

I think in both cases there are "people" so close to the missing who "know" the details...Josh, Elizabeth...but refuse (for their own CYA) to say the truth

I applaud your good intentions but IMHO the answers are sitting in that jail cell

You may very well be right, but she's not talking. So we have the option of throwing our hands up in the air and giving up, or we can do everything possible to find him by any other means. JMO. I for one, am willing to do what I can even if it is fruitless.

 

[eyes4crime]

No new news that I know of. But we're getting some great idea's out here about how we can get Gabriel's information out. We need San Antonio locals to help with the physical distribution of flyers. And we need people who are willing to start emailing the new poster made by Gabe's family to businesses, media, etc. in San Antonio and any other places connected to this case.

ETA: I'm not trying to hog the thread. My mind is going a million miles an hour here and I'm trying to get every idea out before I forget. Sorry everyone.

NewMommy09 - The determination of the several on this thread is great to see. Please - the 'no hogging the thread nonesense' translates into being productive in a positive way, is great to see, and little Gabriel deserves and benefits from all the energy. I love the determination on this thread...and it's all for little Gabriel. You guys are great!!!! :blowkiss:

 

[not_my_kids]

http://www.lrcf.net/LRCFoundation.org/LRCManual/Manual-28.html
From the Laura Recovery Project...their ideas where to post.
Not sure if it's already here, apologies if it is.

 

[Prof]

Yahoo answers has a question forum for newborn/infants, I don't know if we can post there, it might get removed. But maybe if we post it as a question "Do you know where Gabriel Johnson is?".
Babycenter.com is another parenting forum community. And there is another one I've seen talked about a lot on YA, but I'll have to go find the name, I can't remember it.

Hmmn I wonder if Craigslist could be used in a similar way. IDK just thinking

Perhaps EJ had been fishing for adoptive parents over a period of time, perhaps everytime she was angry with Logan, and perhaps that is how she found the Smiths AND alternative choices.

I keep thinking about that comment from the cousin that Momtective posted a page or two ago ---

Everyone keeps saying she was smart. Perhaps a smart adoptive parent shopper? It makes sense to me that she had more than one prospective couple in mind, and had been looking off and on for a long time unable to make up her mind under the TayJay influence.

Scenario: She went to TX finally because TS's shady dealings in regards to paternity paperwork and the like pushed her there, and made her decision to go to the prospective parent (s) in TX easier. Of course she had to meet them on her own first, before exposing Gabriel to someone she had only met online. The meeting went well and she came back to the hotel "happy."
The phone call on the 23rd was TS' last deperate attempt to get Gabriel, convincing EJ to come back to AZ with some other shady scheme to circumvent father's rights.

 

[NewMommy09]

Yes...it is my opinion. I have seen stuff about Gabriel when I log into my aol and att.net accounts....on the first page

I would think that "new adoptive" parents would be interested to read that same info on their computers/ or watch it on their tv...

IF there is an "adoptive" family....and IF there is (a big if to me) I think they would surely be aware that they have a "missing" baby who is being searched for...they have put out various "public service" stuff to "turn him in, take him to a police station or hospital no questions asked"...

so IF "they" have him they are not turning him in, they are "hiding" him, IF "they" have him they may be hiding out, dressing him as a girl, dye his hair etc or in a remote place or another country...that is "if" they exist (I more and more don't think they do)

I find it pretty statisically hard to think that some "innocent' new adoptive mother has managed to avoid the press/info/coverage of this case yet will somehow log into an obscure forum and "see" the missing poster

I think the most probable thing is that Gabe is no longer with us,
OR....somehow Elizabeth did an underhand deal and sold or gave him away
and the people who have him have no intention of "doing the right thing"

Either way I don't think that posting on "mommy" lists or forums or craigslist is going to do much good. ONE person "knows">> and that is Elizabeth

I think the key now is for LE to step up with shrinks/psychologists....maybe put an informant in her cell....appeal to her in some way...maybe her brother or grandfather can appeal to her....or "cut a deal" with her legally??

JMO of course

Again, you are probably right. However, there may be someone close to these people (if they exist) that will see Gabe, or be tipped off somehow that things are odd with them. All it will take is that ONE tip. I choose to do anything I can to get his info out there JUST IN CASE it reaches the right person.
We all are aware that Gabe may never surface one way or another. But sitting around waiting for EJ to talk is not helping any. IMO, as always.

 

[not_my_kids]

I am not thinking of places where the parents will see him...I'm thinking of places where others may have seen him and then would see the flier.

And I pay no attention to anything on the front login pages of my email accounts, I'm there for my email, not the news. When it's on a flyer right in front of you, it's harder to ignore.
Some of us here won't give up until we have absolute proof. Others have a defeatist attitude. We aren't going to change each other's minds, lets just go forward.

 

[LogicalMinds]

Doing something is better than doing nothing.. I live in Austin only an hour north of SA I'll put flyers up here as well

IMHO the best thing to do is to get laws changed and get the social services in various states to be more proactive

I for one see way too many cases where the "missing" child was well know to the case workers, well known to the courts....yet not removed from dangerous situations

Gabriel....Marc in NY....Trenton Ducket...Shannon Dedrick (*baby in a box)...Aveion Lewis....the "biomom" of Shaynia Davis was investigated also

and on and on...these things don't happen in a vaccuum usually..preventing more sad cases seems important to me.

 

[NewMommy09]

Doing something is better than doing nothing.. I live in Austin only an hour north of SA I'll put flyers up here as well

:toast: Thank you for putting up flyers.

 

[not_my_kids]

I will also say that once the fliers start going up, those putting them up need to keep a spreadsheet of where they were, so that if there is one specific area where they seem to disappear faster, that can be reported.
This was suggested to me during the Jessica Phelps case, here in Flint, MI.
The family of Sowell's victims also think that he was taking down their fliers, so it does happen.

 

[NewMommy09]

I will also say that once the fliers start going up, those putting them up need to keep a spreadsheet of where they were, so that if there is one specific area where they seem to disappear faster, that can be reported.
This was suggested to me during the Jessica Phelps case, here in Flint, MI.
The family of Sowell's victims also think that he was taking down their fliers, so it does happen.

BBM, EXELLENT point. I know of cases where this has happened. Very hinky.

Also, we really need fliers to go up in the area's where EJ's bus may have stopped on the way to Florida. Do we have contact info for Tornado Bus Lines?

I wonder if calling them to get the info for a bus ride from SA to Ft. Lauderdale would give us the proper stops or if they change periodically.

ETA: Is this the right website?
The email link takes me to a website where you can sign up for sitemail. But I used the comments form to request info on that bus route and the stops as well as if there is a bus change for that trip. It's worth a try.

 

[not_my_kids]

Also, if they are a couple, we need to think of places where they likely go independent of each other, such as the gym or the pharmacy. Places where only one of them would see the flyer and might have a moment of weakness, without the other to talk them down.

 

[TXHOPE]

If an adoptive family has him, which I'm praying they do, I honestly think EJ filled their head with lies about how horrible his Dad is and that he needs a safe, loving home with a family. I think an adoptive parent may take the risk if they think they're keeping the baby safe and now that it's in the media and they see that's she's a lying psycho, it's too late they have had him for a month and they're so in love with him that they won't let him go. Selfish but love can do that to you. Which means LE has to find him.. I'm hoping the vigil for Gabriel tonight will show everyone that he does have a loving family at home and they are all waiting for his return.

 

[not_my_kids]

It's tax time, what about H and R Block and similar places?
If you need your taxes done, you take the baby if you have to, and tax preparers often come across things like photos mixed in with receipts.

(Yes, I am brainstorming. Some of them may seem weird. I have a weird brain.)

 

[NewMommy09]

It might do Logan and his family some good to get out in the media with more plea's for Gabriel's return. But I don't blame them if they aren't feeling up to that.
They really need to have a media spokesperson at least. We need to drive home just how much Gabe's family loves and misses him.

Also, is there anything we can do to help get the reward raised?

 

[NewMommy09]

Can anyone make up a rough draft email template we can start sending to media and other places with the new missing flier/poster?

 

[not_my_kids]

IVF doctors? Maybe for a couple that has been religious about doing in-vitro as often as they can and then just stopped with no pregnancy or explanation?

That's a reach, and it might not even be possible with HIPPA.

 

[luckygirl]

Do you all think Church's would pass flyers after service?

 

[eyes4crime]

I will also say that once the fliers start going up, those putting them up need to keep a spreadsheet of where they were, so that if there is one specific area where they seem to disappear faster, that can be reported.
This was suggested to me during the Jessica Phelps case, here in Flint, MI.
The family of Sowell's victims also think that he was taking down their fliers, so it does happen.

Good point NMK - as fast as the fliers went up for Stacy Peterson, they came down even faster. Drew had lots of friends. Sometimes it is best to put them up in a place where it's obvious they are being taken down.