AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #17

[kissdegirl]

Newbie here....This story captured my heart. I looked for information on the paisly carseat and BabiesRUS is the only place that sells it. IT is a combo with the stroller. (Graco Quattro Tour Deluxe Travel System Stroller- Sienna) I am thinking it was purchased in San Antonio or most likely online. I have shared this with LE. Something that crossed my mind the other day is maybe someone dyed is hair and eyebrows....I know that seems crazy, but one thing about him is his eyes are so identifiable. I read about what the psychics said about a giftcard being used....Well BAbiesRUS has giftcards and a membership type card for discounts. I have had long nights thinking about this. ANother thing is that I think EJ went to San Antonio to change jurisdiction. It is possible that she handed the baby off to a couple she "met up" with at the park.. SHe sais,"I met them at the park." I do no believe they were a random couple......SHe says part lies and truths. I think they then would transfer G to TPS when things cooled down. I think EJ was mad at the hotel on the phone because the jurisdiction thing was not working out. SO either this couple that most likely knows TPS and JS picked him up for them. MAybe they met in Victoria? OR EJ took him to Victoria and TPS and JS picked him up with the new carseat. EJ knew at that time she needed to leave because it was passed the date....

BBM.
I have been thinking this too. The Smith's and her all tell half-truths, in an effort I believe to not fail a polygraph. Random couple....maybe when she first met the Smiths they were....met them in a park....maybe they did meet up there before going wherever else they did in SA.

 

[OneLove]

Past the custody hearing date. Also, I saw a picture of TPS and JS house. IT looked too familier....I watch alot of HGTV and those houses built in Scottsdale have "secret rooms" and "passagways" in them...I shared with LE too. THey are disguised with bookcases.There is a builder there that specializes in it. That would explain the darkness the psychic person was talking about. I am sure all of you have read it. I am just trying to brain storm as much as I can.

Lol, well, I guess that blows the secret for ALL those folks, and again, they can thank T & J for messing with their peaceful lives.

 

[mamaeb]

Not sure if any of this was mentioned but I read TS's wall on fb as far as it would let me (approx March/09). A few things of interest I found was:
4/11/09 Crisis Nursery
4/22/09 Trip to Mexico beach (timeshare)
3/14/09 wrote on J Morris's wall (b-day of JM)

also on 4/12 she mentions she had a live in nanny who was in nursing school.

 

[sleuth2001]

about the carseat. TS said she bought a new one for him when she had him because the other one didn't look safe...she should have let Elizabeth have that carseat because she of course would want the baby safe right? and at that point she still thought she was possibly going to get the baby because of the craig cherry paperwork.well she said EJ said they bought a new carseat when the "couple" came to pick up the baby and it was beige..and ts said on a phone interview that EJ described it as beige and she said it was strange because while she was doing the interview she was in baby gabe's room looking at the car seat she bought him and it was beige. another thing, why would TS ask her what color the carseat was. she should have asked what were they wearing, what did they say, how did Gabriel react to them etc.

 

[momtective]

Momtective, can you be any more specific as to where i can find that?

It's the fan page..just search facebook for Tammi Peters Smith...2nd pg New Thread.

 

[danisisa]

Well...Let's hope Lil Gabriel is found tomorrow....I will be praying again tonight...

 

[PercyVeer]

Interesting comment on Tammi's group page on January 19, 2010 at 12:49pm... stating that Logan loved EJ right up to the moment she told him she killed Gabriel and that Logan never threatened EJ and tried so hard to work things out with her. Angrily tells Tammi that she could have prevented this and saying that Tammi had hidden Gabriel from Logan once and accusing her of doing it again. Poster says she knows this because she was there.

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_863.shtml

Why Did Tammi say in this video January 3 that LM was going to take EJ to the desert where no one would ever find her? I just do not trust a thing Tammi has EVER said ! Or texted ! Or FBd. Or messaged ! Someone close to her could know the truth, I pray so. Still, LM gets no halo from me as he is a burglar, and had words that caused his removal from his employer, so is no angel himself. Maybe he did get angry and say something, too. But he is quiet, whereas Tammi has told mistruthments on national TV !

 

[debloree]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4727623&postcount=519"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, MSG 26 Dec 09 thread #16[/ame]

Momdetective's post of pics of the carseats. 1 is believed to be a highshair though.

danisisa, welcome and good find on the correct name of the newer looking carseat.

http://www.toysrus.com/product/prod...g&displayTab=enh&productId=2815260&totCount=0

 

[jnTexas]

about the carseat. TS said she bought a new one for him when she had him because the other one didn't look safe...she should have let Elizabeth have that carseat because she of course would want the baby safe right? and at that point she still thought she was possibly going to get the baby because of the craig cherry paperwork.well she said EJ said they bought a new carseat when the "couple" came to pick up the baby and it was beige..and ts said on a phone interview that EJ described it as beige and she said it was strange because while she was doing the interview she was in baby gabe's room looking at the car seat she bought him and it was beige. another thing, why would TS ask her what color the carseat was. she should have asked what were they wearing, what did they say, how did Gabriel react to them etc.

I wonder if that carseat is still in her house. Things that make you go hmmm....

 

[jnTexas]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, MSG 26 Dec 09 thread #16

Momdetective's post of pics of the carseats. 1 is believed to be a highshair though.

danisisa, welcome and good find on the correct name of the newer looking carseat.

The middle one is a high chair the straps are thinner and have the cheapy adjustable clips.

The other have the thick carseat type straps.

 

[time]

Sorry, I'm late to the game, but I guess everyone has already noticed pics uploaded (by mobile) on December 17, 2009 by Tammi where Gabriel has same red marks on his face? I think someone mentioned it earlier but I couldn't find that post so I just thought I would post again.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/photo.php?pid=558283&id=1585061919&fbid=1228197756810

 

[Litlred]

also on 4/12 she mentions she had a live in nanny who was in nursing school.

Yes, in TS's post. Also look at the post above it. The one where someone is asking TS if she still needs help. This person is affliated with
http://www.culturalcare.com/
Per the site it states......
"Cultural Care Au Pair services families in 37 states"

 

[OneLove]

The middle one is a high chair the straps are thinner and have the cheapy adjustable clips.

The other have the thick carseat type straps.

Could T & J have sent Craig Cherry to San Antonio, since he felt soooo supportive, and Craig, along with some female, did the pickup? Maybe TS gave him their carseat to take. Maybe they met beforehand as EJ says but CC didn't identify himself with his real id. Then maybe EJ drove toward Victoria for the handoff somewhere, maybe a restaurant or rest stop? Then CC took Gabe on to someone else in or near Victoria, where he stayed until someone else came and got him. I know who I'd vote for as that person, but it's off the charts right now so I'd feel like an idiot saying it. Then maybe CC drove back to Tempe and gave the Smiths their carseat back. Hmmm You know what they say about when a person goes out of their way to give too much information, they're probably trying to cover their arse. It did seem quite strange that TS brought that carseat up AND mentioned the carseat the 'couple' in SA used too. ???

BJ did post on TSM's wall an interesting little thing a few days ago, something about loving TS and also loving her "entire family very much". I wondered then if it was just referencing TS's poor innocent children caught up in drama yet again. But "entire" could have also been referencing Gabe, IF they had conspired to spirit him away somewhere.

 

[OneLove]

Yes, in TS's post. Also look at the post above it. The one where someone is asking TS if she still needs help. This person is affliated with
http://www.culturalcare.com/
Per the site it states......
"Cultural Care Au Pair services families in 37 states"

There was also a comment in the fall on one of her pics I believe stating that the poster was coming to Phoenix soon and was she still looking for help. When I looked at that person's profile, I took that to mean a job with her colon therapy business, as she has grown and nearly grown kids and is still posting that she doesn't have a job yet. TMI, I know, but I've been sticking my head down alot of rabbit holes and checking them out because there's not much else I know how to do. :run:

 

[Litlred]

There was also a comment in the fall on one of her pics I believe stating that the poster was coming to Phoenix soon and was she still looking for help. When I looked at that person's profile, I took that to mean a job with her colon therapy business, as she has grown and nearly grown kids and is still posting that she doesn't have a job yet. TMI, I know, but I've been sticking my head down alot of rabbit holes and checking them out because there's not much else I know how to do. :run:

I looked her up too. Per fb she is in Michigan. I see no return post from TS unless it was deleted.

 

[jnTexas]

this channel is out of san antonio. They have several videos on here about Gabriel. One is from today.

http://www.ksat.com/news/22335906/detail.html#video

 

[danisisa]

The one thing that just tugs at my heart is who is Gabriel better off with.....Do really know? Obviously, not EJ, but is L a fit parent. I can't remember if it was his myspace or fb, but he had pictures of he and his friends partying and being crazy. When he gets G back, I would hope that CPS will be on him like white on rice...I know people are looking at the S like the are horrible and they are for what they most likely are doing, but something tells me they would be better parents than EJ or L, unless L really gets it together. PLease don't take that the wrong way. I am by all means not on S side. I just want G to be found..andfor him to be loved and cherished..

 

[Concernedmomarizona]

Hi All...I went thru the psychic info. Does anyone know where they say he will be found on 1/26? Just curious.

Thank you for welcoming me to this group. I am thrilled to be apart of it. I think what someone posted earlier about addiction--it's true!! I can't stop thinking of this little guy and how it doesn't make sense he is not with us anymore. Yes, that is based on hope, of course, but also there is so much weird stuff out there, I feel it's very plausible. Thanks everyone for being caring and doing what you do. Let's pray that tomorrow we have a reason to celebrate.

 

[DairyGirl]

The one thing that just tugs at my heart is who is Gabriel better off with.....Do really know? Obviously, not EJ, but is L a fit parent. I can't remember if it was his myspace or fb, but he had pictures of he and his friends partying and being crazy. When he gets G back, I would hope that CPS will be on him like white on rice...I know people are looking at the S like the are horrible and they are for what they most likely are doing, but something tells me they would be better parents than EJ or L, unless L really gets it together. PLease don't take that the wrong way. I am by all means not on S side. I just want G to be found..andfor him to be loved and cherished..

From everything I have seen and heard, LM has done a fantastic job of turning his life around. One of the early press conferences the officer, I think it was Calabar or something like that, had nothing but praise for him. Besides that, he has a large and loving family who love Gabriel very much and he has a lot of support. I get the feeling that he is the reason that Gabriel was so well cared for in his early months. I don't think we can credit EJ with that given her history.

 

[jnTexas]

The one thing that just tugs at my heart is who is Gabriel better off with.....Do really know? Obviously, not EJ, but is L a fit parent. I can't remember if it was his myspace or fb, but he had pictures of he and his friends partying and being crazy. When he gets G back, I would hope that CPS will be on him like white on rice...I know people are looking at the S like the are horrible and they are for what they most likely are doing, but something tells me they would be better parents than EJ or L, unless L really gets it together. PLease don't take that the wrong way. I am by all means not on S side. I just want G to be found..andfor him to be loved and cherished..

i understand your concern about L. he is a young father. BUT I have to say my husband and I are parents and we have been known to shake a leg. Of course our children are usually a grandparents house.
As far as the Smiths they are no better than EJ, and i think CPS should checking on H the little girl. having a big home, business, and nice vehicles does not make them good parents. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not one emergency away from financial ruin. To me she apeears to be a show boat.
Even if L is not a fit parent (which I think he could be) there is always family that should be considered before shipping him off to someone else.

I'm just stating my opinion, and not trying to attack you. hopefully this comes across that way.:innocent: