AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #8

[redfish]

It's awfully quiet on their fb's pages tonight......no posts, no new friends....nothing.......WTH?artyguy: Party is over?

Maybe the FBI finally came to dinner.

 

[Dear Prudence]

No matter how many times I see this, it still throws me for a loop. I think I put more research into adopting my boxer, than these people put into finding a surrogate. Post a few messages, offer for the VERY young girl to live with you and good to go. UGHHHH

I know, very strange. And why is Tammi so desperate to have another child anyway? I really think she is emotionally unbalanced. (I know I'm just stating the obvious :crazy But really, the Smiths should just enjoy the precious little girl they have. Only children can have wonderful childhoods too. They don't have to have a sibling. Just keep them in lots of activities so they can make friends. My only daughter is a joy! And I don't think she's missed out on anything.

 

[southern_comfort]

As far as wanting to take him to the babysitter's house, maybe Elizabeth wanted to drop him off with a babysitter and never come back.

I thought exactly the same thing. It's a crying shame it didn't happen that way!

However, Gabriel would likely have ended up back home with LM in that scenario. EJ wouldn't have wanted that. Who knows what goes through her "not normal" head.

(Hello to everyone, by the way. I originally came to Websleuths for angel Shaniya and I have been lurking on Gabriel's threads for a while.)

 

[gibby207]

"Looked like she was going to kill me."

"Dressed like she was going clubbing."

"Butcher knife near the bed."

"Wouldn't need services because she didn't know where her life was going now."

etc., etc., etc.

I have this feeling that I'm being "balloon boy'd." Anyone getting anywhere with searching babysitter friends?? I'm seriously believing that this underground group wants everyone to BELIEVE that Baby Gabriel is dead. I don't think he's dead. I'm not stopping.... We're going to find him.....

 

[Marigold]

Well, after reading back, I guess I'm not outside of the group thinking... lol

Seriously, everyone!! Do you REALLY think there was a "butcher knife" near the bed? Sooo cliche!

LOL I just heard on NG: "I'm not going to buy into the randomness." BRILLIANT!

And, Welcome FRAMED FATHER! I think wes gonna be like peas and carrots!

BBM Personally... if it were me... I probably would have a knife near my bed in a strange motel in a strange town. However, I would make darn sure it wasn't in a place where a child could get to it.

 

[Amster]

I know, very strange. And why is Tammi so desperate to have another child anyway? I really think she is emotionally unbalanced. (I know I'm just stating the obvious :crazy But really, the Smiths should just enjoy the precious little girl they have. Only children can have wonderful childhoods too. They don't have to have a sibling. Just keep them in lots of activities so they can make friends. My only daughter is joy! And I don't think she's missed out on anything.

My oldest son always said his life was perfect til his little brother was born....lol....there is only 18 months difference in their ages! So, he had a "perfect" life for 18 months! :crazy:

 

[A_Closer_Look]

This is simply so that I can search my own posts later for this info.

2 days ago it is discovered that EJ listed TPS's cousin as a possible father of Gabriel, on a paternity document for the courts.

TPS's cousin says he's never even met EJ and can only speculate on how she found out his name to use.

That night TPS spends a good amount of time defending her position in this case, as the heat was on her pretty badly due to the cousin thing above.

The next day, yesterday, TPS meets with EJ.

Info that has surfaced since that meeting:

• Gabriel was now given to the couple at the hotel and not the park
• Finally a description of the couple
• There was a video of the couple
• A babysitter comes forward to the media, speaks with TPS last night and then appears on NG tonight. Claims she was in the hotel room with Gabriel and witnessed a lot of things (knife next to bed, Gabe very thin, EJ admits to her that she loaded Gabe up with Tylenol and informs her to do the same again to shut him up if he starts crying, dirty baby, dirty room, etc...) that most of us would called authorities about.

 

[Ives]

As for Cricket if someone uses Cricket service, they can dial *611 from their phone or 1 800 cricket and ask about records. I can't get through because I am no longer a customer. (refused to pay 80 bucks on insurence for a new phone, when the one I had was only 2 months old when it broke, LOL)

 

[panthera]

I go back and forth on whether Elizabeth killed Gabriel or gave him away, and I usually am leaning towards the former. But, why would she hire a babysitter if she was going to murder him? That doesn't make sense to me.

As far as wanting to take him to the babysitter's house, maybe Elizabeth wanted to drop him off with a babysitter and never come back.

Well, the two things could be connected. Let's say she did want to take him to the sitter's and never return for him, and when that didn't work, and she didn't find anyone to dump him on, she could've killed him ~ which would guarantee she wouldn't have to be bothered with him again. It's that text message to Logan that still bothers me. How could anyone care at all for their child and so graphically describe how they killed him and dumped him in the trash, even if it was just something to get back at the dad? :furious:

 

[A_Closer_Look]

Does anybody know the names of any credible news sources who have physically witnessed EJ saying anything. I know that somebody from the media was with TPS during her EJ interview yesterday, does anybody know who the reporter was?

I need to get to the bottom of how much of what is being reported as "EJ says" is first hand info, and how much is coming from other sources.

Thanks in advance. I'm searching myself for who the reporter was that was physically present yesterday. I know that I saw it at some point.

 

[panthera]

Do we know for sure that she didn't have her laptop with her?

Not really ~ only her word to TS that she'd sold it in AZ.

 

[Ives]

"Looked like she was going to kill me."

"Dressed like she was going clubbing."

"Butcher knife near the bed."

"Wouldn't need services because she didn't know where her life was going now."

etc., etc., etc.

I have this feeling that I'm being "balloon boy'd." Anyone getting anywhere with searching babysitter friends?? I'm seriously believing that this underground group wants everyone to BELIEVE that Baby Gabriel is dead. I don't think he's dead. I'm not stopping.... We're going to find him.....

BBM, (see, I am catching on!) If you went to babysit someone you did not knows child, and they answered the door like they was going to "kill you" why in the world, would you stick around??? In a motel?? With a stranger??

 

[panthera]

BBM, (see, I am catching on!) If you went to babysit someone you did not knows child, and they answered the door like they was going to "kill you" why in the world, would you stick around??? In a motel?? With a stranger??

That is a good point! I think she said it was because she was late getting there. Another thing, I wonder how much EJ paid her? :waitasec:

 

[A_Closer_Look]

"Looked like she was going to kill me."

"Dressed like she was going clubbing."

"Butcher knife near the bed."

"Wouldn't need services because she didn't know where her life was going now."

etc., etc., etc.

I have this feeling that I'm being "balloon boy'd." Anyone getting anywhere with searching babysitter friends?? I'm seriously believing that this underground group wants everyone to BELIEVE that Baby Gabriel is dead. I don't think he's dead. I'm not stopping.... We're going to find him.....

BBM

I don't either! I'm not either! Yes we/they are!

 

[Amster]

That is a good point! I think she said it was because she was late getting there. Another thing, I wonder how much EJ paid her? :waitasec:

I think she said $40

 

[panthera]

BBM

I don't either! I'm not either! Yes we/they are!

And hopefully tomorrow!! rayer:

 

[Dear Prudence]

That is a good point! I think she said it was because she was late getting there. Another thing, I wonder how much EJ paid her? :waitasec:

I thought I saw on NG it was $40.

 

[panthera]

I think she said $40

Well that could've influenced her decision to stay there and babysit! It also seems wherever EJ went was well worth her while to spend $40. for a sitter...

 

[A_Closer_Look]

And hopefully tomorrow!! rayer:

Yes please!
That would make me one happy dude! raying:

 

[Prof]

Did anyone think the absence of TS and the presense of an FBI agent on NG tonight was an interesting combination? Interesting in that TS was conveniently not there when the CC information was brought up? Interesting that NG did not seem to think it signficant? She made no real comment on it?