AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #10

[MsFacetious]

If I remember correctly, they have THREE dogs.

 

[FrayedKnot]

So, um, the sketch of the perp from the 3 girls' case......

Did I read correctly that LE definitely has seen a side by side of that sketch and a certain individual with connections to another certain individual who is a "relative" of Isa's? *faint*

I stated before that I did not see any connection between the two but now stand ready to eat my words. Anyone have any hot sauce?


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[Lava]

Had to go to bed early last night, but you all did such great work! Glad to see the parents have scheduled more interviews, I was really confused about Beckys brothers statement, whether they wanted to, or didn't want to continue to speak to the media. I HOPE we get more information today. And, if a reporter doesn't ask about the camera on the Celis home at the presser, I'm gonna give up on the Tucson media. I want to hear from LE that it wasn't working.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I always tucked my children in at 6 years of age. I do not judge anyone who does not, but I wanted to be sure they were covered properly and said their prayers. The 'Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep' was our standard childrens' prayer.

IDK, but it did strike me as odd that no one routinely tucked little Isa into bed as she is so young. Mom and Dad are wearing crucifixes, but did not teach their children bedtime prayers? Little Isa would have had her First Communion not long ago. These parents seem to be religious.

I really, really hope and pray no one in the family harmed little Isa, but I cannot be sure of that yet. I feel that if the family is truly innocent, they at least suspect someone they know. The uncle/cousin is really hinky, IMO. The parents may be telling the truth, but they are not telling the whole truth, IMO.

May today be the day little Isa is located!

MOO

 

[Lava]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I always tucked my children in at 6 years of age. I do not judge anyone who does not, but I wanted to be sure they were covered properly and said their prayers. The 'Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep' was our standard childrens' prayer.

IDK, but it did strike me as odd that no one routinely tucked little Isa into bed as she is so young. Mom and Dad are wearing crucifixes, but did not teach their children bedtime prayers? Little Isa would have had her First Communion not long ago. These parents seem to be religious.

I really, really hope and pray no one in the family harmed little Isa, but I cannot be sure of that yet. I feel that if the family is truly innocent, they at least suspect someone they know. The uncle/cousin is really hinky, IMO. The parents may be telling the truth, but they are not telling the whole truth, IMO.

May today be the day little Isa is located!

MOO

It all depends on the family. I have two young siblings a little older than Isabel and one of them is very independent and goes to sleep on his own, and the other sometimes gets tucked in and sometimes goes alone. Isabel is old enough to say prayers on her own. I would just really like a clearer picture on what actually happened at bedtime.

 

[Gardenlady]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I always tucked my children in at 6 years of age. I do not judge anyone who does not, but I wanted to be sure they were covered properly and said their prayers. The 'Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep' was our standard childrens' prayer.

IDK, but it did strike me as odd that no one routinely tucked little Isa into bed as she is so young. Mom and Dad are wearing crucifixes, but did not teach their children bedtime prayers? Little Isa would have had her First Communion not long ago. These parents seem to be religious.

I really, really hope and pray no one in the family harmed little Isa, but I cannot be sure of that yet. I feel that if the family is truly innocent, they at least suspect someone they know. The uncle/cousin is really hinky, IMO. The parents may be telling the truth, but they are not telling the whole truth, IMO.

May today be the day little Isa is located!

MOO

First Communion is generally second grade. Age seven at least.

My kids all learned prayers at that age or younger, but whether or not they are said formally every night is another matter. Especially given that I'm sort of lapsed catholic myself. :innocent:

 

[FrayedKnot]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I always tucked my children in at 6 years of age. I do not judge anyone who does not, but I wanted to be sure they were covered properly and said their prayers. The 'Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep' was our standard childrens' prayer.

IDK, but it did strike me as odd that no one routinely tucked little Isa into bed as she is so young. Mom and Dad are wearing crucifixes, but did not teach their children bedtime prayers? Little Isa would have had her First Communion not long ago. These parents seem to be religious.

I really, really hope and pray no one in the family harmed little Isa, but I cannot be sure of that yet. I feel that if the family is truly innocent, they at least suspect someone they know. The uncle/cousin is really hinky, IMO. The parents may be telling the truth, but they are not telling the whole truth, IMO.

May today be the day little Isa is located!

MOO

I thought I remembered reading here that RC made a comment on her FB that she was NOT very religious, which would explain wearing rosary beads as a necklace, anyway.

It was a few threads back, but I really do remember seeing a post about that!


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[Gardenlady]

Wearing rosary beads is cultural, it's not necessarily wrong. Yes, you don't wear them if you're praying them, but to carry them around the neck isn't wrong.

When Catholics are lapsed or not especially devout (as RC said on her FB before this happened), we still retain many outward signs even if we don't fully believe or practice. I still have blessed palms, holy water, blessed rosaries, icons, statues, etc, even though I'm lapsed. I still wear a crucifix on occasion as well.

Sacramentals (physical items used to help pray, etc) are a help. Like memorized prayers, they can help as something to fall back on when faith is lagging. :twocents:

 

[~n/t~]

If the uncle/cousin has a picture of Isa on his POF profile pic, I find that very disturbing. Isa is not his child which leads me to speculate whether he told his POF women that she was his.

I haven't seen his profile but commenting based on what has been posted here.

 

[Gardenlady]

If the uncle/cousin has a picture of Isa on his POF profile pic, I find that very disturbing. Isa is not his child which leads me to speculate whether he told his POF women that she was his.

I haven't seen his profile but commenting based on what has been posted here.

Pretty sure he labelled that pic as "me and my niece". Lemme see if I can find the link and double check.

Eta- yes, it's labelled "my niece and I in Arizona". It's not his main profile pic, it's one of four he has uploaded.

 

[~n/t~]

Wearing rosary beads is cultural, it's not necessarily wrong. Yes, you don't wear them if you're praying them, but to carry them around the neck isn't wrong.

When Catholics are lapsed or not especially devout (as RC said on her FB before this happened), we still retain many outward signs even if we don't fully believe or practice. I still have blessed palms, holy water, blessed rosaries, icons, statues, etc, even though I'm lapsed. I still wear a crucifix on occasion as well.

Sacramentals (physical items used to help pray, etc) are a help. Like memorized prayers, they can help as something to fall back on when faith is lagging. :twocents:

Personally, I've never seen a Catholic person wearing rosary beads around their neck like it was a piece of jewelry. The first time I saw this was when Casey Anthony wore it and my reaction what? Is that a new fashion thing?

Yes gold chains with a crucifix and so on but rosary beads? Never until CA and this case.

(BTW - I'm not saying it's wrong or right or whether I consider a person guilty or not).

 

[~n/t~]

Pretty sure he labelled that pic as "me and my niece". Lemme see if I can find the link and double check.

Eta- yes, it's labelled "my niece and I in Arizona". It's not his main profile pic, it's one of four he has uploaded.

OK thank you. I still find it creepy to put childrens pictures on a dating site.

 

[Pensfan]

JVM said some were inside and some outside. They showed one dog at the door. It looked like a German Shepherd to me but others can correct me if I'm wrong. As far as I know that's never been confirmed by LE. However, the neighbour said the dogs were outside and she would see the Celis family members bringing them food. I have no idea how many dogs they own.

The dogs not barking wouldn't really raise suspicion for me because we've seen cases where the dogs didn't bark and it was a stranger abduction but add the alleged broken camera and my hinky meter is sky high.

It leaves me to suspect someone who knew this family. Someone who had been there before. Someone who would have known the surveillance camera was non functional.

Some perps are brazen and do enter the home through open windows or unlocked doors but to go with the theory that this perp took that risk with dogs outside and/or inside with a surveillance camera on the roof just doesn't jive for me.

The ladder bothers me a lot also. To think this perp was so lucky to have a ladder right there, alleged open window, dogs inside and/or outside, an alleged non functional surveillance camera pointing up to the sky......wow. Like I said last night, this was his lucky day.

A German Shepherd? Whoa. Mine doesn't miss any strange noises inside or outside. He alerts me each time a walnut drops off my tree and hits the sidewalk. (I wished I was kidding.)

 

[tjredline]

Personally, I've never seen a Catholic person wearing rosary beads around their neck like it was a piece of jewelry. The first time I saw this was when Casey Anthony wore it and my reaction what? Is that a new fashion thing?

Yes gold chains with a crucifix and so on but rosary beads? Never until CA and this case.

(BTW - I'm not saying it's wrong or right or whether I consider a person guilty or not).

I was taught that we never ever wear our rosary beads like a piece of jewelry, unless it is a piece of jewelry (like the bracelets and such). But, I have read that some cultures wear them.

 

[Pensfan]

Personally, I've never seen a Catholic person wearing rosary beads around their neck like it was a piece of jewelry. The first time I saw this was when Casey Anthony wore it and my reaction what? Is that a new fashion thing?

Yes gold chains with a crucifix and so on but rosary beads? Never until CA and this case.

(BTW - I'm not saying it's wrong or right or whether I consider a person guilty or not).

Scapulars, crosses, and medals with the Saints are necklaces. Prayer tools like rosary beads and prayer ropes with knots are supposed to be kept at one's fingertips (pocket or belt) for use in praying.

 

[azwildcat]

Wearing rosary beads is cultural, it's not necessarily wrong. Yes, you don't wear them if you're praying them, but to carry them around the neck isn't wrong.

When Catholics are lapsed or not especially devout (as RC said on her FB before this happened), we still retain many outward signs even if we don't fully believe or practice. I still have blessed palms, holy water, blessed rosaries, icons, statues, etc, even though I'm lapsed. I still wear a crucifix on occasion as well.

Sacramentals (physical items used to help pray, etc) are a help. Like memorized prayers, they can help as something to fall back on when faith is lagging. :twocents:

BBM Just liking this post wasn't enough, I feel the same way.

Personally, I've never seen a Catholic person wearing rosary beads around their neck like it was a piece of jewelry. The first time I saw this was when Casey Anthony wore it and my reaction what? Is that a new fashion thing?

Yes gold chains with a crucifix and so on but rosary beads? Never until CA and this case.

(BTW - I'm not saying it's wrong or right or whether I consider a person guilty or not).

I think in some ways it's a fashion thing, I think someone from Jersey Shore has worn it as a necklace in pictures, and other celebrities wear them, have tattoos of them. But it is definitely a cultural thing in Tucson as well. I know several people that would have them in their cars off the mirror (also knew someone who's car was broken into and all that was stolen were the rosary beads!). It's much more seen in Tucson than in other areas I've lived in, especially in my little area of NC with one Catholic church in the entire county.

 

[curiousc]

I am happy to see the parents doing media interviews. I caught a bit of the Today Show interview on NG last night and I don't see anything hinky about them.

Also on NG I saw the size of that wall around the house and I have to say that it would be hard for a perp to watch her through her window. Add that with the proximity of the wall to the neighbor's house, I just can't see anyone being a peeping tom prior to the abduction. And if it were a stranger, how the heck would they know which window was Isa's, especially if she usually slept with her brother? And I think this is why LE is focussing on this family.

The perp must be known to the family and an individual who is close to that family. The perp must have known that Isa was in that room that night. And what I really want to know is if that supposed uncle was in fact there the whole night.

And where is this uncle now? Where is he staying?

 

[Gardenlady]

Way back in the 80s, Madonna (who loved to famously flaunt and thumb her nose at Catholicism simultaneously) wore them, and took some heat for it.

I have some hanging from my rear view mirror in my car. If someone wants to steal them, they are welcome to them, as they probably need them much more than I do

 

[~n/t~]

I think a break in the case will happen today or this weekend!! No, I'm not a psychic. lol

 

[curiousc]

I think a break in the case will happen today or this weekend!! No, I'm not a psychic. lol

I do hope you are right.

There have been so many cases that I think would have been solved quickly, but didn't happen and they remained unsolved