AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #10

[Patty G]

Religion and politics is not a good subject for any thread.

 

[Gardenlady]

I bet Mary would be glad her prayer beads make Rebecca feel better. She knows what it was like to find her child missing too. :twocents:

 

[Frigga]

ALSO very notable... they make no mention of a demand for justice to whomever may have taken Isabelle. Because according to them, someone has taken Isabelle, out of her home and she is very likely injured or possibly dead- there has been no ransom according to them. Even if they think someone took her to have her as their own child... why aren't they angry? No anger at whomever has done this? No threats of we will find you... you will not get away with this? THIS IS NOT NORMAL thinking or behavior and I will stand by that. Do I think they harmed Isa- NO... do I think they know what happened and she isn't coming home safely? YES I DO!

 

[SeaEclipse]

The Rosary is not jewelry. Blessed by a priest or not. People of the Catholic faith know this. It is important to me as a Catholic. I find it offensive and disrespectful. I really don't care if it makes them feel better. And, it probably has nothing to do with Isabel missing. The difference it makes for me is that by doing so, wearing the Rosary like jewelry, causes me to believe there is manipulation going on....

IMO only

I was raised Catholic in NYC and it was incredibly common for Hispanic members of my congregation to wear rosaries around their necks; the beads were treated reverentially and not as jewelry and they did use them to pray. Many Hispanic Catholics (in particular, Mexicans) are especially devoted to Mary as a result of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

I don't know why you assume that because they are wearing the rosaries they are treating them merely as "jewelry." Also, given that there is evidence that the family did this *before* Isa went missing, I don't know why this is indicative of "manipulation."

 

[MagnoliaMom]

The Rosary is not jewelry. Blessed by a priest or not. People of the Catholic faith know this. It is important to me as a Catholic. I find it offensive and disrespectful. I really don't care if it makes them feel better. And, it probably has nothing to do with Isabel missing. The difference it makes for me is that by doing so, wearing the Rosary like jewelry, causes me to believe there is manipulation going on....

IMO only

I mean no disrespect. I am not Catholic but was raised in the church. Our church split into 2 churches because of different beliefs within the same church. Regardless, neither group taught me to believe that I was closest to God while fishing. But I am.

It is perfectly ok for you to hold your beliefs tight while being aware that others may do it differently.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The Rosary is not jewelry. Blessed by a priest or not. People of the Catholic faith know this. It is important to me as a Catholic. I find it offensive and disrespectful. I really don't care if it makes them feel better. And, it probably has nothing to do with Isabel missing. The difference it makes for me is that by doing so, wearing the Rosary like jewelry, causes me to believe there is manipulation going on....

IMO only

:rocker: That is a very good point ... manipulating someone to believe something that is not ...

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[Lava]

I think this interview was very good for them. I feel better about them, but I'm still suspicious. Mom, to me, is 100% genuine. But there is just also different about this couple. They give off a "moving on" feeling very, very much. At times when questions made me remember that Isabel might be dead, or being hurt, I expected some emotional break down and that never happened. Almost like they just don't go there. And I think its normal not to want to go there, but its almost uncontrollable for me. When asked who Isabel was close to, a lot of talk of family. Again, nothing wrong about that, its just strange to me that no friends of hers have come forward, and they don't talk about her friends. Was she sheltered?

Things that stick out to me:

• Mom: "To know that we screw(ed?) something else up..."
  
• Mom: "That would be great, just one break for the police"
  

Based on this interview, a picture has started to form in my head, and I'm gonna put it down here. I don't believe the police have any good leads other than the family. I say that based on a number of reasons:

• Moms statement of "just one break". It leads me to believe that there really hasn't been anything significant.
  
• LE still hasn't cleared family.
  
• Polygraph results wont be discussed.
  
• Won't discuss events surrounding the first moments of finding Isabel gone.
  
• Apparently A LOT was taken by LE. That seems, I dunno, excessive.
  
• The statement by Dad about the window. At first he thought she had been taken through the window, it looked like it, but now..not so sure. That to me is pretty significant. It leads me to believe that the police have voiced that they don't think she was taken from the window. So why did it look like she was? Was it staged?

These are just my observations and opinions based on them.

 

[Prof]

They asked for Isa to be brought home safely countless times, so I am not sure we were watchin the same video. Maybe they believe Isa is still alive, and why go on the media with threats at this point? What is normal thinking in this situation?


I completely understand their actions so far after watching this video.
I would have liked it if they could have come forward with an interview earlier, but I understand why they did not as well.

I absolutely believe both of them. I don't think they are hiding anything related to Isa's disappearance.

I also would not compare this family to any other family with a missing or murdered child we've seen in front of the media, and that is okay with me.

ALL IMO

 

[Boodles]

Goodness gracious. Is it really necessary to banter back and forth about wearing the rosary? Please stop. Or please take it to another thread somewhere to debate whether it's appropriate or not before there are twenty pages of debate about rosary-wearing. Thank you.

 

[marazul]

I will say this then I will not get caught up in the religion thing again.
Maybe they were not the most devout people before this, and now they are doing what many normal people do in times of tragedy, turning to religion for hope and comfort. Obviously the local priest and church has reached out to them and given them a message of hope and shared the benefits if prayers as they see it. For someone to see this as "fake" or to remark that they aren't perfect Cathoics because they aren't doing things the way your local Catholic expert taught you is very judgemental and close minded.
This mentality is what scares people away from your religion. If they were non observant Jewish and started going back to temple and reading Torah during this, you would not see other Jewish people posting about how they are doing it in the "wrong" way. I am not an expert on Christianity, but I am pretty sure part of it isn't criticizing how grieving, hurting parents of a missing child use their rosaries.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Why can't they say who called 911? I can't think of any logical reason why that would be important to not share.

:seeya: Could it be that one of the boys called 9-1-1 and they are minors ?

:moo:

 

[OkGrace]

Just chiming in real quick. Rosary wearing does not bother this Catholic , I do think it is a comfort thing, I believe I have been guilty of it in times in stress....

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Per Celis' FAmily - Computers, Laptop, cameras surrendered to LE.

Pictures given to NBC, didn't get any compensation from NBC.

:seeya: Thank You for this update, Patty ... I missed the interview ...


:moo::moo::moo:

BBM: JMO and MOO ... but we have all heard "that story" before -- NOT receiving any compensation from NBC ...

Again, JMO ... but I do NOT believe that all ...

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[insatiable]

A quick Internet search shows it IS fine to wear the rosary. It says this on multiple sites including catholic ones. Google it please. Isabels brother is in photos wearing them prior to Isabel going missing, therefor I see nothing wrong or hinky or any manipulation going on just because they chose to wear it. SMDH

 

[Lava]

Why can't they say who called 911? I can't think of any logical reason why that would be important to not share.

My thinking is that it mentions something specific about the crime scene. It mentions someone there, or it mentions the window or some piece of evidence we don't even know about. If the police are trying to trip someone up, they would keep this info a secret and see what that person says later on.

 

[Lava]

A quick Internet search shows it IS fine to wear the rosary. It says this on multiple sites including catholic ones. Google it please. Isabels brother is in photos wearing them prior to Isabel going missing, therefor I see nothing wrong or hinky or any manipulation going on just because they chose to wear it. SMDH

Great! Now we can end this! :banghead:

 

[Patty G]

:seeya: Could it be that one of the boys called 9-1-1 and they are minors ?

:moo:

Many children call 911 to report a problem in their home. I've listened to so many really young children like 3 or 4 telling 911 that mommy is sick etc., etc.

 

[marazul]

I think RC made it clear that the reason they are not expressing anger is that they have faith Isa is alive and don't want to say or do anything to anger the person that has her. I am sure they are angry, but they want to keep it open that if someone has her, just contact them or the LE and they will do whatever it takes to have her back.

 

[kai]

My guess is the entire 911 call is "off limits" to share about which would include who called it in. If there are details stated that only the abductor and people in the home at the time would be privy to- then I understand LE asking the parents not to talk about the call at all. It might not be just "who" called, but anything to do with the 911 call is not to be shared about.

 

[Hopeful One]

The Rosary is not jewelry. Blessed by a priest or not. People of the Catholic faith know this. It is important to me as a Catholic. I find it offensive and disrespectful. I really don't care if it makes them feel better. And, it probably has nothing to do with Isabel missing. The difference it makes for me is that by doing so, wearing the Rosary like jewelry, causes me to believe there is manipulation going on....

IMO only

Wow, those are some pretty harsh words. I was born and raised Catholic but am not practicing (I consider myself Christian) and I didn't know it was "offensive" to wear a rosary around one's neck. I would certainly do it if it brought me comfort and I wouldn't give a flying cr*p if someone else didn't like it.

Their DAUGHTER IS MISSING. Are we really nit-picking about someone wearing a rosary "improperly"???