AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #10

[Knox]

Coming to the thread late today, sad to see the dissension in here. Perhaps we can all agree to disagree and move on.

Have you all noticed that the body language, and statement analysis people are coming out of the wood works? Their commentaries all seem the same; The parents are hiding the truth.

I want to give the Celis' the benefit of doubt, but starting to wonder myself. The explanation of the last moments before Isa went to bed that night just did not ring true to me. Also the statement SC made about JC loving Isabel was kind of weird and out of context, MOO.

My booty is sore from all the fence sitting. I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

 

[Boodles]

What I find strange about Becky and Sergio is also, as Lark said, they are "moving on". They said they had intentions of maybe sending the boys back to school this week, but no, now maybe it will be next week (but there is no contingency related to Isabel). They get very animated talking about the boys' games and the opera, to the point I almost forget that this is all about Isabel.

And they ask for everyone to pray, pray, pray, pray. Yes, they mentioned keeping your eyes open a few times also. But mostly, it's just about praying, not looking for Isabel. And there is no anger, no outrage, no fear about whether Isabel is afraid, is she being tortured, is she alive? It's as though they act like she might be on vacation somewhere and the worst case could be that she's hungry ("are they feeding her?").

I don't know, maybe this is an extreme form of denial?? I don't think I have ever seen the family of a kidnapping victim seem so 'light' or unconcerned about her plight. I just see absolutely no fear or anger in their behavior. Yet, they have tons and tons of gratitude for everyone around the world. I think my overwhelming feeling if my child went missing would be fear and anger. Maybe their faith really does keep them strong, or again, maybe it's an extreme case of denial. Two weeks missing, but their focus seems to have shifted to getting the boys back to school, into their sports, singing in the opera and going back to work. I can't help but believe I would remain completely incapacitated by my child's unknown whereabouts and disposition.

This is all so mysterious to me. I do want to believe the parents are uninvolved.

 

[Jezbel]

1st BBM: That MIGHT be the case, however, as I previously stated, the Rosary is NOT to be worn as a piece of jewelry around the neck is pretty standard across the board ...

2nd BBM: What a person thinks is "appropriate" does NOT make it right or "acceptable" ...

And it really set off my radar when I saw the parents with the Rosary around their necks ... it is like they are trying to make a "statement" that they are "religious" ...

I would like to know IF -- IF there are any other PREVIOUS photos of the Celis with the Rosary around their necks ...

OR ... are they now wearing the Rosary SINCE Isabel was reported "missing" ...

:moo::moo::moo:

Not meaning this to be rude, interested in your opinion on why it matters how/where they wore their rosary's either now or in the past?

Does it matter if they were not that religious before, but have become more so because of this tragedy? Looking to G-d for answers? Maybe since they are carrying them with them at all times, they wear them around their neck when they are not praying?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Many children call 911 to report a problem in their home. I've listened to so many really young children like 3 or 4 telling 911 that mommy is sick etc., etc.

:seeya: Good point, Patty ! But ... would a "minor" call 9-1-1 to report that a sibling is missing -- especially if a parent was in the home the time the call was made ?

KWIM ?

I just do not get WHY the parents will not say WHO called 9-1-1, even if it was the boys who are minors ?

:waitasec: OR ... could it have been this person JM ?

:moo:

 

[Hopeful One]

While I certainly respect the opinion of every member here, I just cannot see how anyone thinks these parents had anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter. Are we watching two different people?? They seem so sincere and distraught.

It breaks my heart to know that not only do they have to struggle with possibly losing a child forever but now they have to deal with intense scrutiny on top of it. This world is sad.

 

[Knox]

Why can't they say who called 911? I can't think of any logical reason why that would be important to not share.

I believe I saw the answer to that question downstairs, GL found it in a rewind.

 

[carole]

Coming to the party late today, sad to see the dissension in here. Perhaps we can all agree to disagree and move on.

Have you all noticed that the body language, and statement analysis people are coming out of the wood works? Their commentaries all seem the same; The parents are hiding the truth.

I want to give the Celis' the benefit of doubt, but starting to wonder myself. The explanation of the last moments before Isa went to bed that night just did not ring true to me. Also the statement SC made about JC loving Isabel was kind of weird and out of context, MOO.

My booty is sore from all the fence sitting. I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

BBM

Who is JC??

 

[elmorejames]

I am pretty sure we can't put up the "friend of uncle/cousin" picture, as he is not named in the case.

If you go to JMs FB page, and look at his friends, there is one with the initials ML, and you can see his pic there.

Then grab any of the news articles about the nighttime assault of the three girls, and the sketch should be there.

There is a definite resemblance, IMO, fwiw.

Hope this helps.

Not only does he look like the suspect in the photo there are other friend of JM's on FB that look like him. CC as well ML and even JS. ML and CC the most though

 

[Hopeful One]

What I find strange about Becky and Sergio is also, as Lark said, they are "moving on". They said they had intentions of maybe sending the boys back to school this week, but no, maybe next week. They get very animated talking about the boys' games and the opera, to the point I almost forget that this is about Isabel.

And they ask for everyone to pray, pray, pray, pray. "Yes, they mentioned keeping your eyes open a few times also. But mostly, it's just about praying, not looking for Isabel. And there is no anger, no outrage, no fear about whether Isabel is afraid, is she being tortured, is she alive? It's as though they act like she might be on vacation somewhere and the worst case could be that she's hungry ("are they feeding her?").

I don't know, maybe this is an extreme form of denial?? I don't think I have ever seen the family of a kidnapping victim seem so 'light' or unconcerned about her plight. I just see absolutely no fear or anger in their behavior. Yet, they have tons and tons of gratitude for everyone around the world. I think my overwhelming feeling if my child went missing would be fear and anger. Maybe their faith really does keep them strong, or again, maybe it's an extreme case of denial. Two weeks missing, but their focus seems to have shifted to getting the boys back to school, into their sports, singing in the opera and going back to work. I can't help but believe I would remain completely incapacitated by my child's unknown whereabouts and disposition.

This is all so mysterious to me. I want to believe the parents are uninvolved.

Why is it strange that they are attempting to move on? I don't think they mean move on as in "Oh bummer, she's gone. Well, back to work!" I think they mean they have to go back to work, they need to pay bills, and school would probably be good for the boys to distract them for a bit. Same for the parents. Why sit at home dwelling? What possible good will come of it? The police are on the hunt. They need to get to work to bring in money to help find Isa.

I don't see anything wrong with asking people to pray either. Many people believe very strongly in the power of prayer. Keeping one's eyes open is great, but prayer may do more to bring their daughter home. I'm not saying that's how I would do it necessarily (how do any of us know how we would do it?) but maybe that's where they're coming from? I am very strong in my faith and I know I would be absolutely begging everyone to pray, pray, pray.

 

[txanmom]

:seeya: Good point, Patty ! But ... would a "minor" call 9-1-1 to report that a sibling is missing -- especially if a parent was in the home the time the call was made ?

KWIM ?

I just do not get WHY the parents will not say WHO called 9-1-1, even if it was the boys who are minors ?
:waitasec: OR ... could it have been this person JM ?

:moo:

bbm, well they did say that they would not do anything that would hinder the investigation and LE has told them not to discuss it. They are trying to cooperate fully with the investigation and this is a LE prompt that they have to comply with.

 

[Patty G]

:seeya: Good point, Patty ! But ... would a "minor" call 9-1-1 to report that a sibling is missing -- especially if a parent was in the home the time the call was made ?

KWIM ?

I just do not get WHY the parents will not say WHO called 9-1-1, even if it was the boys who are minors ?

:waitasec: OR ... could it have been this person JM ?

:moo:

I don't know why the parents couldn't answer the simple question of who called 911. I am baffled by that one, as I don't feel it would hurt the investigation.

Let's just say one of the children called because they went in on their own to call 911, or the father yelled to one of the children, call 911.

Eventually the 911 call will be released and we just have to be patient until "perhaps" the media haunts LE to release the call.

 

[Knox]

BBM

Who is JC??

Sibling.

 

[txanmom]

Why is it strange that they are attempting to move on? I don't think they mean move on as in "Oh bummer, she's gone. Well, back to work!" I think they mean they have to go back to work, they need to pay bills, and school would probably be good for the boys to distract them for a bit. Same for the parents. Why sit at home dwelling? What possible good will come of it? The police are on the hunt. They need to get to work to bring in money to help find Isa.

I don't see anything wrong with asking people to pray either. Many people believe very strongly in the power of prayer. Keeping one's eyes open is great, but prayer may do more to bring their daughter home. I'm not saying that's how I would do it necessarily (how do any of us know how we would do it?) but maybe that's where they're coming from? I am very strong in my faith and I know I would be absolutely begging everyone to pray, pray, pray.

bbm, you know my ds had to have surgery once, and the nurse told me she could tell we were praying very hard for a good outcome. She said that in her experience she could always tell the families that prayed as to the outcome of her patients. (he was fine, btw) I just always remembered her comment and how interesting I thought it was.

 

[huckleberryhound]

I feel sorry for these parents who were criticized for not speaking to the media, and then when they do, every tiny aspect of their demeanor, words , clothing is going to be picked apart and used against them.

 

[carole]

Sibling.

Whose sibling - Isabel's?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Coming to the party late today, sad to see the dissension in here. Perhaps we can all agree to disagree and move on.

Have you all noticed that the body language, and statement analysis people are coming out of the wood works? Their commentaries all seem the same; The parents are hiding the truth.

I want to give the Celis' the benefit of doubt, but starting to wonder myself. The explanation of the last moments before Isa went to bed that night just did not ring true to me. Also the statement SC made about JC loving Isabel was kind of weird and out of context, MOO.

My booty is sore from all the fence sitting. I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

:seeya: Yes, I have read several different analyses ... which of course, cannot be linked here ...

And yes, they seem to be in "consensus" ....

1st BBM: I agree ... JMO and MOO, but it did not sound "natural" ...

2nd BBM: :fence: It's nice and comfortable down here ... no soreness ... no splinters ... :fence:

:moo:

 

[Frigga]

Hopeful one, I am glad that you see the parents the way you do and through your eyes, and everyone else here that feels better after their appearance. I hope you are all right and my suspicions are just that- suspicions.. and that I am wrong.

I am really trying to see them through others eyes, and there are moments that I do, but they are brief. I respect your opinions and everyone else here... it is why I come, to get a different perspective, to keep an open opinion.

I wouldn't consider myself cynical in my every day life- which is interesting because here, and with these cases I am... or at least it seems that I am usually going against the typical grain of thought. I await others intuitions, and hope there aren't many similar to my own.

I can always admit that I am wrong and in this case I certainly hope that I am!

My hinky meter just went off during that interview though! Ugh!

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Coming to the thread late today, sad to see the dissension in here. Perhaps we can all agree to disagree and move on.

Have you all noticed that the body language, and statement analysis people are coming out of the wood works? Their commentaries all seem the same; The parents are hiding the truth.

I want to give the Celis' the benefit of doubt, but starting to wonder myself. The explanation of the last moments before Isa went to bed that night just did not ring true to me. Also the statement SC made about JC loving Isabel was kind of weird and out of context, MOO.

My booty is sore from all the fence sitting. I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

BBM I did notice and it made them lose credibility in my eyes.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I don't know why the parents couldn't answer the simple question of who called 911. I am baffled by that one, as I don't feel it would hurt the investigation.

Let's just say one of the children called because they went in on their own to call 911, or the father yelled to one of the children, call 911.

Eventually the 911 call will be released and we just have to be patient until "perhaps" the media haunts LE to release the call.

:seeya:

BBM: I hope so ... would like to hear the 9-1-1 call ...

And if any "media" are reading here, PLEASE file that request lease:!

:moo:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Anyone who wants to know who made the 911 call the answer is in the scanner thread.. tho.. the answer IMO has been obvious from the start that it was made by the only adult in the home that morning.