AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

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Didn't they send cameras down into water? Or sonar?
 
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I think Isabel is alive and LE has a very good idea who took her but doesn't know where yet.

She has been gone 15 days now. LE set up a search perimeter of 3 miles yet has not searched. They have not gone door to door (have they?). They have not organized a search team (that I know of). Why? Why only 3 miles?

Praying for Isa to come home safely.

I can almost assure you 100% that the FBI CART would have gone door to door-it's called a 'Level One Neighborhood Canvas'-I read that the FBI feels that a lot of local LE do not always see how important this type of search is, so they make sure it is done.
I will try to find a link.

Here is your link:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...bruary-2012/crimes-against-children-spotlight
 
  • #485
They did go door to door in at least part of the radius, I have a relative who lives within it and she was contacted twice, all within the first 2 to 3 days. I do not think they searched her home but they did question her
 
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As for the water search, none of the bodies of water round here are very deep, maybe 10 feet at the deepest, so not sure divers would be necessary
 
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As for the water search, none of the bodies of water round here are very deep, maybe 10 feet at the deepest, so not sure divers would be necessary

Galiuro? What is Lake Side Park and Dam like? Is that body of water deep?

Just curious.
 
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It's not so much his skin color, it's the features. He just looks like a typical redneck to me... light reddish blonde hair and light eyes, maybe green or blue, but not brown or black. I cannot see one thing about him that resembles either one of Isa's parents. Becky's brother who was interviewed on JVM looked remarkably like her, same features, same shape of eyes... very handsome, IMO, as is Becky's father. This "uncle" is NOT blood related to either one of them. He may be related by marriage, but not blood.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Ohhh ok. I would have thought you'd think he was a cousin by now.
 
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Cadaver dog is reported by kvoa --

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

Article from 4-23 titled -- Police: 'Everyone is a person of interest' in case of missing girl (quoting Tucson Police Chief Villasenor) -- about the middle of the article--

"Two dogs from the FBI are in Tucson, specifically trained in searched urban areas, Villasenor said. One dog is training in tracking scents, the other is a cadaver-sniffing dog."

(You have to scroll way way way down the page to find this report.)

Thank you, and after that another article on the same day is posted at 3:19 pm after another PC had happened.

Chief Villasenor said that in addition to the FBI providing two specialized search dogs, they have also brought in their Behavioral Analysis Unit, which "provides insight on what to look for in an individual."

The FBI's search dog did "alert" on a scent sometime between late last night and early this morning but Tucson Police would not provide any details at this time.

"I'm hoping my best that the child is alive," Chief Villasenor said. "We're going to work on the premise that the child is alive until proven otherwise. We want to remain hopeful. We want Isabel to return home safely."

It uses the word dog, singular, not dogs, plural, and no where does it say it was the cadaver dog that hit.

In fact if a cadavar dog had hit that would confirm that Isa is dead and that is not what Cheif Villasenor said. They are working on the premise that she is alive.

I think the dog that hit was a dog that can scent out an unfamiliar scent in the home and maybe trailing out to the property and then losing the scent.

That is why it is never good to rely on articles that come from the examiner and I imagine that is why WS does not consider them a credible site. Those can be written with very inaccurate information. I have seen it several times in the past on other cases.

IMO
 
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Nah, Lakeside is just an urban lake, shallow, 10, 12 feet max...really they would be ponds anywhere else...the bodies of water are just fishing lakes pretty much, all man made, have to add water or they wouldn't be there at all...
 
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I don't believe LE has any info on whether Isabel is dead or alive-how could they? We have heard this answer in so many cases (no reason to believe he/she is deceased.) We heard it about Kyron for months on end, until they stopped talking about him at all, even when they were searching woods and fields and examining animal bones...

Without a crime scene to show injury, I don't think LE ever can know the status of the person. But you never hear LE say they believe someone is dead, IMO, unless they have some evidence that points to it, or at least a history of violence, ie. Jhessye (spelling/sorry).

JMO
 
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I'll repost the questionnaire LE gave to all the neighbors when they investigated the neighborhood.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...pdf_bad3c29e-8f39-11e1-ac11-0019bb2963f4.html

You can click on the image to read the entire document. It's not necessary to download it to read it. HTH

WOW! That is some list. Thank you. I noticed the last page was a form to give permission to search. Were any of the neighbors homes searched? Were the dogs taken throughout the neighborhood following Isas' scent?

This is only the second case I have followed so I am not sure what procedures are normal.

It just seems to me that no one is or has been frantic about this child being missing. When my grandchildren could not be found while in my care I called 911. Five minutes later 911 called back asking for descriptions of the children and clothing. I was so upset and I told them to get here NOW. Once here, the first officer on the scene had me using his PA system calling for the kids. Then searchers arrived and I gave them photos. About 45 minutes after the initial 911 call the dogs came to help search. Every car that went past my house was stopped. They even had helicopters ready to search after dark. Thank God they were found within an hour and on my land at that. Quite embarrassing to me but I was ever so grateful.

Is there a common practice among all LE of how to handle a missing child case?
 
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I am not sure why it matters if the uncle is related by blood or not. He could just as easily be involved or innocent either way.
 
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Thank you, and after that another article on the same day is posted at 3:19 pm after another PC had happened.

Chief Villasenor said that in addition to the FBI providing two specialized search dogs, they have also brought in their Behavioral Analysis Unit, which "provides insight on what to look for in an individual."

The FBI's search dog did "alert" on a scent sometime between late last night and early this morning but Tucson Police would not provide any details at this time.

"I'm hoping my best that the child is alive," Chief Villasenor said. "We're going to work on the premise that the child is alive until proven otherwise. We want to remain hopeful. We want Isabel to return home safely."

It uses the word dog, singular, not dogs, plural, and no where does it say it was the cadaver dog that hit.

In fact if a cadavar dog had hit that would confirm that Isa is dead and that is not what Cheif Villasenor said. They are working on the premise that she is alive.

I think the dog that hit was a dog that can scent out an unfamiliar scent in the home and maybe trailing out to the property and then losing the scent.

That is why it is never good to rely on articles that come from the examiner and I imagine that is why WS does not consider them a credible site. Those can be written with very inaccurate information. I have seen it several times in the past on other cases.

IMO

The articles I quote are from the MSM - KVOA not from the examiner.
 
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Raw Video: Isabel Celis Home Video

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1620302728001

I hadn't seen this before. Becky records Isa dancing and singing on the couch. You can see the living room, dining room and kitchen in the background.

Ohhh gliving that made me tear up. She is such an animated little sweetheart. I hadn't seen that one either. Thank You! I do hope she is safe, I wish I could just feel she was.
 
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Been in and out all day, and looks like I missed about ten pages... Any new developments today? Don't see anything new on MSM pages, but want to check here because you all are better then MSM :D
 
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I am not sure why it matters if the uncle is related by blood or not. He could just as easily be involved or innocent either way.

Shhh it is better than the rosary beads from yesterday lol
 
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