AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[Prof]

I am just providing updates on this presser. TPD says that searches are things LE should conduct, not community groups.

 

[Prof]

Even though they have little information to provide, they feel these updates are good to provide opportunity for questions.

[Personally, I think they do keep story out there.]

 

[dimples37398]

I am just providing updates on this presser. TPD says that searches are things LE should conduct, not community groups.

Anyone have any ideas as to why they don't want any community groups searching for her? Is this normal procedure for law enforcement to be scaling back the search but still not wanting people to help search? I know it seemed fairly quickly in some other cases that the law enforcement allowed groups or public to help search.

 

[mck16]

Not sure how I missed this article, just find it interesting, he seems to have quite a bit of experience in these areas.


http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

He has 25 years of law experience, plus another 20 in psychology. He analyzed the parents' body language.
"He has access at closing of the eyes every time you do interviews and people look away or lose eye contact, you need to suspect deception," said Baggot, when referring to the Celis'.




He also talked about the question of the parents' possible involvement in their daughter's disappearance.
"Most important they asked clearly if he had anything to do with his daughter's disappearance, he doesn't answer the question. Watch their body movements during that question. No support, no hands crossing. She looks down to the right, I would expect her to watch him and watch him deny it, but he evades the question," said Baggot.

To me it appeared he was reacting to what he considered a worthless question. Almost as if he wanted to say 'are you kidding me'. I got the feeling they are very frustrated with people thinking they are involved or even could be. Just what it appeared to be to me. But, I am not expert. jmo

 

[Thinkzerz]

Anyone have any ideas as to why they don't want any community groups searching for her? Is this normal procedure for law enforcement to be scaling back the search but still not wanting people to help search? I know it seemed fairly quickly in some other cases that the law enforcement allowed groups to help search.

It seems like they have an idea who has Isa but have no location where she and perp is. If they ask for public help it may but Isa in more harm? JMO
Why search when they feel she is with someone as supposed to dead and out there for search people to find JMO

 

[cluciano63]

To me it appeared he was reacting to what he considered a worthless question. Almost as if he wanted to say 'are you kidding me'. I got the feeling they are very frustrated with people thinking they are involved or even could be. Just what it appeared to be to me. But, I am not expert. jmo

It is the most important question anyone could ask...JMO

 

[mck16]

Anyone have any ideas as to why they don't want any community groups searching for her? Is this normal procedure for law enforcement to be scaling back the search but still not wanting people to help search? I know it seemed fairly quickly in some other cases that the law enforcement allowed groups or public to help search.

I was thinking about that and the only thing I can come up with is that they think it was someone in the neighborhood. They either don't want evidence destroyed or they are watching a particular place or person. I do agree it is out of the norm. jmo

 

[Thinkzerz]

Not considered a cold case. <--- this is suppose to be a big smile.

 

[mck16]

It is the most important question anyone could ask...JMO

I agree, it is very important. However if you are truly innocent and have been asked over and over and have answered, it can appear to them to be insulting. Just trying to put myself in their shoes. If I was innocent it would make me mad. And if they are not innocent does anyone think they would answer in the affirmative? jmo

 

[dimples37398]

I do wonder if they would admit if they didn't really have anything. They are so vague (understandably so) that he could really be considering any smallest thing, progress. Would he say yeah we are close to this being a cold case, or would he say no it isn't a cold case, even if it were.

 

[Prof]

Anyone have any ideas as to why they don't want any community groups searching for her? Is this normal procedure for law enforcement to be scaling back the search but still not wanting people to help search? I know it seemed fairly quickly in some other cases that the law enforcement allowed groups or public to help search.

I have no clue. They were so quick to search the landfills.
They did not allow the public searches we see in other cases.
Perhaps it's the heat and inhospitable nature of the geography?
I remember it was the Wilbergers who organized the search for Brooke here in my part of the world.
I wonder how often it is the famly of a missing child who organizes community searches.
JM on his Saturday interviews mentions the many family, neighbors and friends out searching and handing out fliers, but maybe LE asked them to stop. The
Celis' do seem to be doing everything LE asks of them, so maybe LE asked them not to?

 

[Boodles]

Searches are a thing for LE to do.

Search where? Where do you start looking when she could be anywhere? I believe they're drilling down into forensics and other evidence, thus the lack of physical searches. The sense of urgency to find Isabel alive is gone.

As maddening as this is to the public, they have to have their ducks in a row before they can make an arrest(s). They have to have enough evidence to expect a conviction before they arrest someone. That could take years. Remember, the criminal(s) did an "adequate job" of executing the crime. I have no doubt this family knows exactly what transpired.

I would love to know what Becky's co-workers have to say about her appearance and demeanor at work Saturday morning.

 

[Prof]

I should have prefaced my presser notes with "TPD says" lol

 

[dimples37398]

Well for me, yes I know everyone is different. If it were my first interview where I answered questions from someone, If they asked me were you involved at all, It would be of utmost importance if I had nothing to do with it or any knowledge to look directly at the camera and convince every and any person watching, that I in no way had anything to do with it, whatsoever.

I was just expecting a different reaction/response from him, to that question. Although it doesn't really matter what I was expecting

 

[~n/t~]

I do wonder if they would admit if they didn't really have anything. They are so vague (understandably so) that he could really be considering any smallest thing, progress. Would he say yeah we are close to this being a cold case, or would he say no it isn't a cold case, even if it were.

It's too early for it to be a cold case. As long as they keep getting tips, they'll continue to "investigate". When leads start dwindling, well...we know it's not a good sign.

Do I think it's headed to a cold case file? Yes, imo unless they find a body and even then, without any other evidence, it will remain unsolved.

Maybe luck and a prayer is the only way to find her. Sad reality.

I still don't understand why they don't want organized community searches.

 

[Prof]

To me it appeared he was reacting to what he considered a worthless question. Almost as if he wanted to say 'are you kidding me'. I got the feeling they are very frustrated with people thinking they are involved or even could be. Just what it appeared to be to me. But, I am not expert. jmo

I agree. Both interviews asked what they thought about others who question the family's involvement. What's he going to say? I would say, well I cannot control what other people who do not know me, think of me.
He probably does not like it. He might even think they are misguided, or worse, but he does not come back by putting them down for thinking so, which is what I have seen some people do in general (not here, but in the big world out there). IMO!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

these updates are worthless, i'm glad they are going tuesday thursday only...but they should just quit unless they have anything...seriously, the longer it goes on and they don't say anything I think it makes people (i.e. ME) think that they don't have a clue to what happened.

I don't think that LE or other agencies investigating Isabel's disappearance have no clue about what happened. Rather, I tend to think that, at this juncture, they do not have enough evidence for an arrest or charges. LE proclaimed that "(the perp/s) did an adequate job of (covering their tracks, cleaning up the scene, etc.)" which leads me to believe that they have a good idea what happened to Isabel and probably even who they suspect in the "disappearance" but not enough to insure a conviction. :moo:

 

[callyn]

Search where? Where do you start looking when she could be anywhere? I believe they're drilling down into forensics and other evidence, thus the lack of physical searches. The sense of urgency to find Isabel alive is gone.

As maddening as this is to the public, they have to have their ducks in a row before they can make an arrest(s). They have to have enough evidence to expect a conviction before they arrest someone. That could take years. Remember, the criminal(s) did an "adequate job" of executing the crime. I have no doubt this family knows exactly what transpired.

I would love to know what Becky's co-workers have to say about her appearance and demeanor at work Saturday morning.

BBM
The only place I can think of to conduct searches is in the desert near the roads that lead out of the Celis' home area and into the desert. I do not want to think about trying to find a body, but at least it might help find the person who did this. I really don't understand why they haven't searched (or allowed community to search) in these areas. It wouldn't be the first time someone has placed a body fairly near highways. I realize the whole desert can't be searched, but why not these most likely spots?

 

[Crosby87]

The reason no one suspects the person who stole Isabel imo is mainly because he works full-time and has weekends off. He took her on the weekend so he could show up on time for work Monday morning. This would mean he didn&#8217;t have to change his normal routine and because he is showing up for work eversince Isa disappeared, no one suspects him.

If this is his first offence against a child, he wouldn&#8217;t be a RSO which also enables him to stay anonymous and at large. He could have a hidden mental condition no one is aware of that hasn't been diagnosed and treated.

My impression of the kidnapper is he is single, employed full-time, and possibly works and lives in Isa's community. If he is a homeowner who lives alone, he can lock her in a room and still work. If he's been employed for over 10 years, I guess he is in his early to mid-thirties.

mo

 

[panthera]

hummm. Thank you. I tend to get my cases confused. Wonder if a perp followed the family home?

That still remains a possibility in my mind. It's getting inside the house and knowing which room she was in that still makes me believe it could be someone very familiar with the house and family.

MOO