AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[Deleted member 718]

Any real desert area is quite a bit away from the Celis residence, ie the end of 22nd/Broadway/Speedway and would involve a considerable bit of searching on private land, I think. Not sure the police nor the private land owners would want a bunch of folks out traipsing around...

Hi! What about drainage ditches, gutters or storm runoffs? I know Tucson doesn't get a lot of rain, but where does the water flow? An arroyo? Have you had any rain lately? Thanks.

 

[Donjeta]

I feel the same way. It was not a 'satisfying' answer. imo.

Sure, he must be sick of being considered a suspect. But he was being interviewed on a national show with a huge audience. Most people were seeing jim for the very first time. He had the perfect opportunity to dispel suspicions.

I think it is usually answered along the lines of :

" I understand why the family has to be looked at first, but we have had no involvement in this tragedy, and we need to be cleared so they can move on and find the guilty party."

But I felt like his response was kind of ambiguous. imo

Yes, exactly my thoughts.

Becky actually answers along those lines.

>> as you know, any time there is a case of a missing child, the parents and family come under scrutiny. becky , what do you want to tell us about how intense that scrutiny is now? has it lessened? is it still as intense? and how do you feel about it?

>> it's necessary to do. and if it's anything close to getting isa back home safely, then whatever it takes. it's nothing we can't handle. we want her back. so whatever it takes to get her back, we will do.

It is a difficult question but one that I'm sure they knew that the interviewer would ask in some form so they had time to think about an answer. But his reply seems like he's just rambling on and it has nothing to do with the question.

>> you know, there is no easy way to ask this question, but because this is your first live television interview, sergio , let me ask you this question. what do you want to say about questions about whether you had anything to do with your daughter's disappearance?

>> gosh. i wish i knew where to begin. we are so frustrated to try to understand why this is happening, why this had to happen, why isabel had to be targeted. we just don't understand that. and to whomever did this, please, look at her. look at her. she's beautiful. she doesn't deserve this. she deserves to be home. she deserves to be home in her room playing with her brothers and just loving life the way she does. this is -- there's so many things that are just so frustrating and so difficult to deal with. .
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47276606#47276606

 

[thefragile7393]

Hi! What about drainage ditches, gutters or storm runoffs? I know Tucson doesn't get a lot of rain, but where does the water flow? An arroyo? Have you had any rain lately? Thanks.

Water goes into washes....just another word for drainage ditch. No rain lately....not since before she was missing

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[Cazzie]

That sentence from the expert - "He has access at closing of the eyes every time you do interviews and people look away or lose eye contact, you need to suspect deception," said Baggot - sounds like English is not his first language (I did not hear the interview, just read it) or he meant 'He has EXCESS closing of the eyes.....
Otherwise, it makes no sense at all to me.

I heard the interview and I think he may have said "excessive closing of the eyes". "Excessive" was transcribed to "access at".

Also, the lack of proper punctuation leads me to think that these were transcription errors. Sad state of affairs. JMO.

That said, I agree with Unicorns (hey, I like the idea of that, LOL...never had a problem with real unicorns ). Curry's question was not a direct "did you do it?" question.

 

[thefragile7393]

Remember the family discussing how difficult it was for them to be in the house because "everything is Isabel." With hope for her return, wouldn't that be comforting?

But yet another red flag went down, IMO, when Sergio inserted the tidbit: "but we check our phone messages" (referring to the home phone line). Wow! They would leave their phone line unmanned while their daughter is missing and supposedly abducted? That's just crazy.

Um...they have to go back to work at some point. They can't be off of work forever, they can't stay home forever. There are still bills to pay, that part of life has to go on.
It is also easy to check messages very regularly by calling and punching in a code. They likely have cell phones where they can be reached even more quickly....be they new ones or if their phones were returned to them. Heck maybe someone is there answering and then calling one of them if its anything investigation relates or they call in asking about messages.
Come on, these aren't the times when people ONLY have a home phone anymore.....I fail to see how this is a big deal.

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[nightski]

The one thing that just keeps buggin me in Sergio's interview is when he said in a soft voice, "No, daddy, I'm tired" and walked on by. You get the impression she just walked past him into oblivion...and he did nothing.

That is my thought as well. Did somebody at the game that night give her a drink or food with "drugs" in it?? That would explain why she made no noise. But why would she be sleeping in her own bed? Maybe because she was so tired she just fell into her own bed and didn't wake up to go in with the boys?:waitasec:

 

[nutkin]

You can also set it up to where calls coming in to your home phone are automatically forwarded to your cell phone.

 

[dimples37398]

Yes, exactly my thoughts.

Becky actually answers along those lines.

>> as you know, any time there is a case of a missing child, the parents and family come under scrutiny. becky , what do you want to tell us about how intense that scrutiny is now? has it lessened? is it still as intense? and how do you feel about it?

>> it's necessary to do. and if it's anything close to getting isa back home safely, then whatever it takes. it's nothing we can't handle. we want her back. so whatever it takes to get her back, we will do.

It is a difficult question but one that I'm sure they knew that the interviewer would ask in some form so they had time to think about an answer. But his reply seems like he's just rambling on and it has nothing to do with the question.

>> you know, there is no easy way to ask this question, but because this is your first live television interview, sergio , let me ask you this question. what do you want to say about questions about whether you had anything to do with your daughter's disappearance?

>> gosh. i wish i knew where to begin. we are so frustrated to try to understand why this is happening, why this had to happen, why isabel had to be targeted. we just don't understand that. and to whomever did this, please, look at her. look at her. she's beautiful. she doesn't deserve this. she deserves to be home. she deserves to be home in her room playing with her brothers and just loving life the way she does. this is -- there's so many things that are just so frustrating and so difficult to deal with. .
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47276606#47276606

BBM

I agree that Becky's response was appropriate and what I would think most people would expect of such a question. On the other hand, Sergio just goes on and on about nothing to do with the question he was asked really. Based on the internet and talk about town, they had to know they would be asked those type of questions, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have a list of questions or an idea of questions that were allowed to be asked or not.

Sergio's response was beyond strange, in my opinion. I would have expected him to get a little agitated, maybe even critical of those thinking the family had something to do with it. Get upset and stress that people thinking such things is taking time and effort away from the search for Isa. Instead he rambles on, and wants whoever has her to look at how beautiful she is, not that they wouldn't know that already.

I know everyone reacts differently to things, but I do sense a great deal of sadness and sincerity from Becky. I watched an interview this morning of Brittany Drexels dad and it broke my heart, I am really not heartless, Sergio just gives me some sort of feeling I can't really explain.

 

[nutkin]

The one thing that just keeps buggin me in Sergio's interview is when he said in a soft voice, "No, daddy, I'm tired" and walked on by. You get the impression she just walked past him into oblivion...and he did nothing.

That is my thought as well. Did somebody at the game that night give her a drink or food with "drugs" in it?? That would explain why she made no noise. But why would she be sleeping in her own bed? Maybe because she was so tired she just fell into her own bed and didn't wake up to go in with the boys?:waitasec:

I've said this before and will say it again. At that age, my son was an incredibly heavy sleeper (still is, to this day). It took him forever to stop wetting the bed because he just wouldn't wake up at night. There were times where I'd lift him out of bed, sit him on the toilet, he'd pee and wipe, and I'd take him back to bed. During all of this, he'd never once wake up or even open his eyes and he wouldn't remember it in the morning. There were times he'd pee the bed and he'd get a complete change of clothing and have the sheets on the bed changed and never wake up.

 

[nutkin]

Maybe Sergio doesn't speak/understand English very well? Is English his first language? In my experience, people that learn another language first often use the "wrong" words when speaking English just because their first language doesn't completely translate to English.

 

[Donjeta]

The phone thing was odd to me because Becky said that she doesn't want to go to work because she feels like she's giving up on Isabel, that she needs to be home ready to answer the detectives' phone calls.

But then (Sergio?) said that most of the time they don't answer their phone, they just check their messages.

*shrug*
I do understand that she may not feel up to returning to work yet but the two answers combined make no sense. If it was so important to get all the police calls straight away you'd think she'd answer the phone. She could check her messages after returning to her work just as easily.

I don't know where she works but presumably the detectives could call her there on her office phone or her cell phone if it was something urgent.

 

[CA Lady]

I don't remember exactly when during the interview with Sergio and Becky and I can't find all the video's, but in this one, Sergio in response to the question about having anything to do with Isa's disappearance....says "you're wrong"!! It's in the very beginning of the video.

http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=10112&categories=2,15

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe Sergio doesn't speak/understand English very well? Is English his first language? In my experience, people that learn another language first often use the "wrong" words when speaking English just because their first language doesn't completely translate to English.

I've thought of that but imo the above is not a language comprehension issue because it's not any word or a linguistic expression that strikes us as odd, it's the content of the thought and the lack of responsiveness.

 

[dimples37398]

The one thing that just keeps buggin me in Sergio's interview is when he said in a soft voice, "No, daddy, I'm tired" and walked on by. You get the impression she just walked past him into oblivion...and he did nothing.

That is my thought as well. Did somebody at the game that night give her a drink or food with "drugs" in it?? That would explain why she made no noise. But why would she be sleeping in her own bed? Maybe because she was so tired she just fell into her own bed and didn't wake up to go in with the boys?:waitasec:

Yeah that is a bit strange, My daughter is 9 now but has always been the type of child, when she is tired, she goes and gets in bed. Usually without a word, she will be sitting on the couch watching tv with us, then I would go to the restroom, come back and she wouldn't be on the couch or downstairs, so I would walk upstairs and look and she would already be snoring.

When a child has had that busy of a day, and they are looking that tired, why would a parent ask them, are you hungry...at 11:00 no less. If she is walking by her daddy (we still aren't sure from where she was walking by) it seems more realistic to me that you would ask, are you going to bed now sweetie, brush your teeth before you get in bed.

If Becky went to bed before Isa, When was it that she braided her hair, where was Isa coming from when she walked past her daddy. I still don't get asking a child if they are hungry, that late at night, if they are on their way to bed, not to mention they have a 9:00 am ballgame themselves the next morning.

 

[dimples37398]

I don't remember exactly when during the interview with Sergio and Becky and I can't find all the video's, but in this one, Sergio in response to the question about having anything to do with Isa's disappearance....says "you're wrong"!! It's in the very beginning of the video.

http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=10112&categories=2,15

Okay he does there but why wouldnt that be his answer the first time he was asked that question? Also when he does say it there, he kinda laughs with it, then says that is the best answer I can come up with. Why does he need to come up with an answer, it just kinda makes it sound to me like he had to think of a appropriate answer that people would be okay with. Becky seems 100% sincere in her belief that she nor Sergio has anything to do with it or anything to hide. I think she could be mistaken on whether he does or not.

Then when they are asked, what would you say if Isa could hear you. I don't know but I think it is just how Sergio seems to always make his voice crack when he thinks it is an appropriate thing to do.

 

[Taminator]

How many times have we wished people would say in these cases "I don't care what the public says about me, just FIND MY KID".

They say exactly that and people find it odd. They don't talk in public, people think they know something or don't care about their kid. They do talk to the public, people think they know something or don't care about their kid.

They don't cry. The tears are fake. They close their eyes. They don't make eye contact. They look up too much. They look down too much. They aren't affectionate toward one another. Their hand holding looks fake/forced.

Honestly, I don't know what people expect from these people. I'm not talking about just here. I've read things on other sites where I'm thinking "Wow, where is the compassion in this world?"

I seriously don't believe the parents had anything to do with Isa's disappearance. If I'm wrong, I guess I'm going to seriously have to reevaluate my ability to judge people's character.

 

[dimples37398]

The phone thing was odd to me because Becky said that she doesn't want to go to work because she feels like she's giving up on Isabel, that she needs to be home ready to answer the detectives' phone calls.

But then (Sergio?) said that most of the time they don't answer their phone, they just check their messages.

*shrug*
I do understand that she may not feel up to returning to work yet but the two answers combined make no sense. If it was so important to get all the police calls straight away you'd think she'd answer the phone. She could check her messages after returning to her work just as easily.

I don't know where she works but presumably the detectives could call her there on her office phone or her cell phone if it was something urgent.

I do kind of understand where she is coming from, if she goes back to work, back to the normal daily routine without Isa being back home, she will feel like she has given up hope or given up on finding her and bringing her back home.

 

[Thinkzerz]

The phone thing was odd to me because Becky said that she doesn't want to go to work because she feels like she's giving up on Isabel, that she needs to be home ready to answer the detectives' phone calls.

But then (Sergio?) said that most of the time they don't answer their phone, they just check their messages.

*shrug*
I do understand that she may not feel up to returning to work yet but the two answers combined make no sense. If it was so important to get all the police calls straight away you'd think she'd answer the phone. She could check her messages after returning to her work just as easily.

I don't know where she works but presumably the detectives could call her there on her office phone or her cell phone if it was something urgent.

This could be because they were not allowed back in the home for awhile. Now they are but have they moved back in sense the cleaners have come?

 

[dimples37398]

I like to think I am a pretty good judge of character, but I am in no way perfect and have no problem admitting when wrong. That being said, I am not saying in any way that I think Sergio did something directly to Isa, but I do believe he knows a whole lot more than what he is admitting to.

I do not in any way whatsoever believe that Becky knows anything more than what she has said all along or what she has told detectives. I would almost bet money that she passed the LDT with flying colors, No way would I bet money that Sergio passed 100%.

 

[Patty G]

I think the younger child was also brought to the home. I recall a local reporter mentioning something, but they didn't film the other child. I could be wrong, but this is what I remember "a young male and a child that appears to be in his teens."

Going back to what I wrote above. For now, I found this video and article that stated a young boy in the video and article. However, in the video, it appears to be maybe the older brother.

I know I heard one reporter mention both brothers as "young boy and boy in his teens, but for the life of me, not sure where I heard it.

"and finally a young boy, believed to be Isabel's brother, was brought into the home."

http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-accompany-celis-family-members-inside-home/#!prettyPhoto/0/

It could have been only one brother and different reporters saying "young boy and teen" as being the same person.