AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[Patty G]

Seems like the family must know about Marc K. since the brother of Mom was on NG...wonder if they have asked his group to contact LE to see about helping out in some way?

Of course, there is always prayer...

The brother of Isa's mom was on Jane.

LUIS RODRIGUEZ, UNCLE OF ISABEL: Yes. "We want -- we want to, first of all, thank everyone for their prayers and the love that we have received, especially from the community and all their prayers. We want to -- we want to continue to pray for Isa`s safe return, and ask everyone to just, you know, continue to keep their eyes open for Isabel." We -- we do understand that Rebecca and Sergio, they want to come out and continue to speak with the media, as well

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/03/ijvm.01.html

 

[TxLady2]

I know people have different personalities and not all people are Type A like myself, BUT I would give ONE pissed off yet controlled interview (because I know its necessary) to tell the media that I did NOT have anything to do with my daughter's disappearance and that I (or my family) did NOT kill her and do not know who did... and then I would tell the media I would NOT ever answer that question again. If someone did ask me, i would tell them to refer to THAT interview and then move on to the next reporter....
Could you imagine having to explain over and over again that you didn't kill your child? I can't imagine an innocent person staying so calm when the question was asked over and over again. But, that's just me and the personalities I'm used to being around.

I know what you mean, but I doubt you could control these kinds of questions unless you stayed shut up in your home and never stuck your head out the door. Some reporters are going to keep asking those questions no matter how many times you tell them not to. You would think they would be smart enough to figure out that no one is going to answer it truthfully if they did do it, but they don't give up. That's reporters for you... they're gutsy.
Yes, I can imagine exactly what you describe, because it happens in almost every missing child case.

 

[Deleted member 718]

At two weeks since Isabel went missing I seriously doubt ransom demands beginning now. Therefore the only need to have a phone nearby would be updates from LE. Unfortunately since both parents are in the medical field that may not be possible at all times.

MOO

Early on it was reported the parents' phones were confiscated. If LE has returned the phones, I'm almost certain their phones are bugged and all calls are monitored and traced. I've seen cases where LE gives the family a phone for contact. It's still an active investigation and I confident the parents' every move is monitored. They are under the microscope.

Also the parents said they don't trust anyone at this time and seem to be living in seclusion except planned outings.

 

[cluciano63]

The brother of Isa's mom was on Jane.

LUIS RODRIGUEZ, UNCLE OF ISABEL: Yes. "We want -- we want to, first of all, thank everyone for their prayers and the love that we have received, especially from the community and all their prayers. We want to -- we want to continue to pray for Isa`s safe return, and ask everyone to just, you know, continue to keep their eyes open for Isabel." We -- we do understand that Rebecca and Sergio, they want to come out and continue to speak with the media, as well

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/03/ijvm.01.html

Right, sorry...but it still seems as though someone in the family would have picked up on NG and all of her coverage for two weeks...

They may not be aware of TES...but I figured someone would have seen Marc K. though I may be assuming too much.

I guess I think that if in a situation like this, one would find out what help is available...

JMO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I think I am going to watch or try to find interviews from other parents in a similar situation as this. Just for comparison.

Take a look at the early press conference done by Kyron Horman's parents/stepparents after he went missing. The stark difference between the mother and the stepmother is very enlightening, as is the father's words, emotions, and body language (esp wrt his wife). Also take a look at the early interviews done by Ayla Reynold's mother (Tricia) and father (Justin).

 

[diamond12]

If Isa's abductor targeted her because he wanted a child of his own, he would likely choose a child whose nationality is the same as his so he can make it appear as if she is his biological child.

Isa would believe him if he told her he is a distant uncle she's never met before.

If he intends to raise Isa and be a good father to her, then there is a good chance she is alive and hasn't been molested or sexually assaulted by him.

I thought only women would do such things. I've never heard of a man abducting a child cause he had strong wish to have a child of his own. Have there ever been such cases in the past?


That aside, I wanted to say something about the eye contact thing (which was also noticed with Sierra Lamar's mother). Today I saw on tv a police officer, he was explaining how he managed a situation where a man took hostages, he was pretty much the hero. I observed him and he never once looked up, to the tv host or the the camera. He always seemed to be looking at the floor, obviously he was not lying or anything. So it's hard to judge people feelings on that. I'm guilty of that too when I don't feel comfortable with certain conversations even if I didn't do anything bad.

Sometimes I have correct and clear impression of people, sometimes I really can't decide. That's the case with Isa's parents, if I have to go with my gut feeling, I feel nothing bad. It could be that Sergio has an idea of what happened and has to keep it for himself.

 

[Donjeta]

I thought only women would do such things. I've never heard of a man abducting a child cause he had strong wish to have a child of his own. Have there ever been such cases in the past?


That aside, I wanted to say something about the eye contact thing (which was also noticed with Sierra Lamar's mother). Today I saw on tv a police officer, he was explaining how he managed a situation where a man took hostages, he was pretty much the hero. I observed him and he never once looked up, to the tv host or the the camera. He always seemed to be looking at the floor, obviously he was not lying or anything. So it's hard to judge people feelings on that. I'm guilty of that too when I don't feel comfortable with certain conversations even if I didn't do anything bad.

Sometimes I have correct and clear impression of people, sometimes I really can't decide. That's the case with Isa's parents, if I have to go with my gut feeling, I feel nothing bad. It could be that Sergio has an idea of what happened and has to keep it for himself.

Some people feel really uncomfortable with eye contact and have to force themselves to maintain it or just avoid it altogether. I think it would be good to have some idea of what the person's baseline in keeping eye contact in normal conversation is but of course it's impossible if all we have is one or two videos from pressers or interviews in which the interviewer is in a different studio thousands of miles away.


I think that if a man abducted a six year old and got busted (and it was a stranger and not a non-custodial father) it would be really really hard for him to get anybody to believe that his motive was just to get a child of his own and not to get a child of his own to sexually abuse.

 

[Donjeta]

Right, sorry...but it still seems as though someone in the family would have picked up on NG and all of her coverage for two weeks...

They may not be aware of TES...but I figured someone would have seen Marc K. though I may be assuming too much.

I guess I think that if in a situation like this, one would find out what help is available...

JMO

I think some of the missing child organizations may reach out to the parents. Have none been involved here?

 

[nutkin]

I like to think I am a pretty good judge of character, but I am in no way perfect and have no problem admitting when wrong. That being said, I am not saying in any way that I think Sergio did something directly to Isa, but I do believe he knows a whole lot more than what he is admitting to.

I do not in any way whatsoever believe that Becky knows anything more than what she has said all along or what she has told detectives. I would almost bet money that she passed the LDT with flying colors, No way would I bet money that Sergio passed 100%.

See, I feel the exact opposite. I think Sergio's emotions and responses are more believable and that the mother's seem very contrived and fake.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I think some of the missing child organizations may reach out to the parents. Have none been involved here?

I know Ed Smart reached out to the family.
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149762795.html

And Erin Runnion was on JVM discussing the case, so maybe she's been in contact.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/01/worst-time-their-life

John Walsh covered Isa's case on an AMW episode
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=79914

Marc Klaass has been on TV discussing the case. I'd think any of these folks would be more than happy to help the family in any way they can. I suppose it would depend how LE feels about the offers. So far LE hasn't been keen on anyone but officials doing the investigation. And the Celis' said they are scared to do anything for fear of messing things up.

 

[dimples37398]

IIRC, he was asked what he would have to say to people who think he is responsible for Isa's disappearance. He said all he could tell them was, 'you're wrong'. I fail to see why that is such an odd answer, or why it's odd that it's the only thing he could come up with so quickly. The man's daughter was taken, he's distraught. And how on earth can one make their voice crack? That would be a neat trick to use on my hubby if I could learn to do that.

Can't we just accept that their emotions are real? They're going through the worst nightmare a parent can face. Just for the sake of a little human compassion, let's try to put aside the nit-picking and focus on finding this little girl.

Yes people can fake emotion in many different ways, I am simply stating my opinion only, not saying for one second that I am 100% correct in my observations/interpretations opinion of Sergio.

If we accept without question their emotions, story, the other family members or friends stories, then websleuths would be a bit of a one sided boring place. We are here to discuss other possibilities, to listen to and try to understand or at least respect each others thoughts and opinions on the situation. If we do as you say above, that will mean no discussion of the uncle/cousin, other family members or anyone else for that matter.

I do have compassion but my compassion/emotions lie with and are focused on one person and one person only "Isa". She had no say so at all in what happened to her, whatever it was. She is the one truly innocent in every way person in this situation.

 

[dimples37398]

IIRC, he was asked what he would have to say to people who think he is responsible for Isa's disappearance. He said all he could tell them was, 'you're wrong'. I fail to see why that is such an odd answer, or why it's odd that it's the only thing he could come up with so quickly. The man's daughter was taken, he's distraught. And how on earth can one make their voice crack? That would be a neat trick to use on my hubby if I could learn to do that.

Can't we just accept that their emotions are real? They're going through the worst nightmare a parent can face. Just for the sake of a little human compassion, let's try to put aside the nit-picking and focus on finding this little girl.

Also I was speaking of the interview where he was asked what he would say to the people to say he had something to do with her disappearance. His response was "You're wrong" which is a completely normal response I would have expected during the first interview but the comment after that, in which he says, " That is the best answer I can come up with" an odd choice of words. All of the above is just my opinion and view on things. I will gladly admit being wrong if and when he is cleared completely.

 

[dimples37398]

See, I feel the exact opposite. I think Sergio's emotions and responses are more believable and that the mother's seem very contrived and fake.

I completely respect your opinion and agree to disagree with you

 

[cluciano63]

The fact that LE can't/won't clear the parents means one of two things, to me...they are waiting for forensics which show signs of another person in the home or...they really do not believe this is a kidnapping.

Doesn't mean LE can't be wrong, if this is the case, but this is how I see it. And I could be wrong too, lol.

 

[mck16]

In this case we have 14 year old and a 10 year old who were home when this incident took place. If something other than what the father and mother are saying happened the boys would also have to be lying. LE has talked to all of them. I think if LE found differences someone would have been arrested by now. The parents could not have done anything without the boys knowing it I don't think.

Also as far as the time Isa went to bed and when Rebecca went to bed. I say alot of the time I am going to bed and this simply means I am going to lie down on my bed. It doesn't mean I go to sleep immediately. Maybe I watch t.v. for a while or read, but still I have said I am going to bed. I am physically in my bed but awake. Does that make any sense? jmo

 

[dimples37398]

If anyone could help me out, I would appreciate it very much. When it comes to other parents who had kids taken from their own homes during the night, how long did it take LE to clear the parents, or did they clear them before their was an arrest/suspect? If anyone could help me find the answers out to these questions with each case, Lunsford, Smart, Van Dam, Klaas.

 

[Whisperer]

We now have a second clue to the case:

http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-say-whoever-did-this-did-an-adequate-job/

"Whoever did this did an adequate job of really covering up things we would possilby look at." quoted by LE.

 

[dimples37398]

I am definitely not saying that the parents intentionally did anything horrible to Isa, there are just so many possibilities. I think the boys were asleep during the time whatever happened to Isa happened. So whether it was a stranger or a family member, I don't think the boys have a clue what happened, because they were sleeping.

So I don't think there is a need or a reason for them to lie when they know nothing either way.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I think I am going to watch or try to find interviews from other parents in a similar situation as this. Just for comparison.

Watch any of the Diena Thompson interviews with regards to her daugher Somer Thompson. Diena was in everyone's face for her daughter.

Yes, I totally agree that Diena absolutely was IN EVERYONE's FACE THROUGHOUT THE MEDIA for her daughter.. Yet still a huge percentage of people here and elsewhere spoke openly that their opinion was strongly that Diena was GUILTY of being involved in Somer's abduction/murder.. Of course we know now that was far far from accurate as Diena had absolutely no involvement whatsoever as it was a neighbor who raped and murdered her daughter, Somer.. As well as Diena now is very much an advocate for the missing children and their loved ones..

IMO it just goes to show that NO MATTER WHAT THE PARENTS DO OR DON'T DO.. Talk too much or talk too little.. Blink too much, don't blink enough, or keep their eyelids closed for too long.. It does not maTter because public opinion will still be by some, all, or any that the parents are absolute liars who murdered their child and dumped them like trash.. Just as was the case with Diena Thompson.. And just as is the case here with Becky and Sergio..they cannot win and public opinion is truly very harsh and very often dead wrong..




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[Whisperer]

Hey, Smooth, I didn't know that! You mean people thought Dianna was guilty?? OMG! Seriously? Those people need to turn in their Sleuthing badge immediately..:websleuther: