AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[Isabelle]

It would probably not be good idea for Becky to go back to work for a while. I understand she worked in a pediatric ER, which can reach a very high stress level and requires an equal amount of concentration and precision. There are many possibilities for errors in her line of work and she would not be protected because of her mental state. I returned to work as an RN in home health 5 days after my son's death. I was working in home health and was not administering any drugs or handling any high risk life and death situations and even then there was the thought that if I made a mistake I would be liable and even more so if my mental state came out. If Beck does return to work, she would be best in an area that does not require the high level of concentration that working on most hospital units would require. S**t rolls down hill and nurses are at the bottom of the hill!

 

[cluciano63]

In this case we have 14 year old and a 10 year old who were home when this incident took place. If something other than what the father and mother are saying happened the boys would also have to be lying. LE has talked to all of them. I think if LE found differences someone would have been arrested by now. The parents could not have done anything without the boys knowing it I don't think.

Also as far as the time Isa went to bed and when Rebecca went to bed. I say alot of the time I am going to bed and this simply means I am going to lie down on my bed. It doesn't mean I go to sleep immediately. Maybe I watch t.v. for a while or read, but still I have said I am going to bed. I am physically in my bed but awake. Does that make any sense? jmo

I don't think the police could arrest anyone for conflicting stories...not without proof. So even if all 4 tell different stories, what could LE do except keep the family on a list of POI's?

 

[mck16]

Hey, Smooth, I didn't know that! You mean people thought Dianna was guilty?? OMG! Seriously? Those people need to turn in their Sleuthing badge immediately..:websleuther:

If I remember correctly some people also suggested her teenage son could be involved. jmo

 

[deelytful1]

They have only been interviewed by the media twice, right??? No doubt LE has asked this question of them, maybe numerous times, but the media has only been able to interview them two times. Wouldn't any parent want the world to know that there is a kidnapper on the loose, please look for my child everywhere. I would be very vocal that I had NOTHING to do with my child being missing (and I am a very shy and timid woman) but for my child I would whatever it would take.

What I tried to express in my post (forgive me if I wasn't clear) is that I would answer THAT particular question only once... I'd then move on to a reporter who actually had a question "pertinent" to my missing child.
Hopefully going forward there will not be need for a private "interview" but pressers to keep Isabel in the spotlight. Personally, I think LE speaking and giving "facts" and then the parents following pleading for the communities information is alot more helpful.. JMO
I felt the interview was a little strange and awkward. I even felt uncomfortable watching it! I was waiting for them to say something they weren't supposed to and screwing up the case for LE.

 

[Isabelle]

I'm in Louisiana and on the way to the grocery to day, there was a large digital billboard on the highway that showed a picture of the man suspected of kidnapping the mother and two children from Tennessee. I understand two bodies have been found, but he and one of the kidnapped persons has not been found. My point: Why aren't these missing children's faces not flashed on the digital billboards?

 

[Whisperer]

So whoever did this, according to LE, covered up and did an adequate job knowing where Le would look for evidence. That is pretty compelling. That also tells me it is not a crazed criminal but a calculated one.

 

[deelytful1]

I know what you mean, but I doubt you could control these kinds of questions unless you stayed shut up in your home and never stuck your head out the door. Some reporters are going to keep asking those questions no matter how many times you tell them not to. You would think they would be smart enough to figure out that no one is going to answer it truthfully if they did do it, but they don't give up. That's reporters for you... they're gutsy.
Yes, I can imagine exactly what you describe, because it happens in almost every missing child case.

Yes, i suppose you're right. :sigh: and then you'd have to wonder if the rage of a parent going off when it was asked the tenth time (like I would probably do) would be taken as "suspicious!!" sad situation for the parents on all fronts.

 

[Ransom]

If I remember correctly some people also suggested her teenage son could be involved. jmo

Yep and her b/f and the male sitter that was waiting at home that day to greet the kids after school. It was awful for Diena :moo:

 

[cluciano63]

When we were talking about how it was said that the boys' bedroom and Isabel's bedroom were a focus...(not sure where it was said) it made me think that maybe it was true that Isabel sometimes/often slept in with her brothers after all and if so, who knew this?

Do we even know for sure that she went missing from her own bed??

 

[SilkySifaka]

If anyone could help me out, I would appreciate it very much. When it comes to other parents who had kids taken from their own homes during the night, how long did it take LE to clear the parents, or did they clear them before their was an arrest/suspect? If anyone could help me find the answers out to these questions with each case, Lunsford, Smart, Van Dam, Klaas.

I can't give you a case by case answer but almost all of the ones I remember were only cleared when there was an arrest.

For sure Mark Lunsford was not cleared until Couey was arrested. Van Dams were crucified as well.Smart wasn't cleared.

LE doesn't like to clear parents unless there is a solid unshakeable obvious alibi or witness to an abduction even if they are 90% sure it isn't the parents because of the chance of beign wrong. Plus they don't gain anything by doing so.

 

[mck16]

So whoever did this, according to LE, covered up and did an adequate job knowing where Le would look for evidence. That is pretty compelling. That also tells me it is not a crazed stranger.

It tells me that it is someone who has been involved before in this particular crime. jmo

 

[Whisperer]

Not for one freaken moment would I have EVER suspected Diena Thompson, Ed Smart, Mark Klass or Mark Lunsford. I don't know where they're coming from when they suspect these people. It is dificult to try and understand their thinking...or should I say their feeling about the case. Everyone things through and arrives at conclusions a different way, apparently.

 

[Whisperer]

It tells me that it is someone who has been involved before in this particular crime. jmo

How does it tell you that?

 

[carole]

When we were talking about how it was said that the boys' bedroom and Isabel's bedroom were a focus...(not sure where it was said) it made me think that maybe it was true that Isabel sometimes/often slept in with her brothers after all and if so, who knew this?

Do we even know for sure that she went missing from her own bed??

BBM

Rebecca stated this in the Friday interview.

 

[mck16]

It tells me that it is someone who has been involved before in this particular crime. jmo

Not for one freaken moment would I have EVER suspected Diena Thompson, Ed Smart, Mark Klass or Mark Lunsford. I don't know where they're coming from when they suspect these people. It is dificult to try and understand their thinking.

They talked about the way Diena dressed. Said her blouses were too low. Said Mark Lunsford hair was too long. I remember people talking about how insincere Ed Smart was and how he couldn't look at the camera, and that his wife was just mealy mouthed and went along with everything he said. It was awful for all of them not to mention confusing. jmo

 

[SilkySifaka]

Not for one freaken moment would I have EVER suspected Diena Thompson, Ed Smart, Mark Klass or Mark Lunsford. I don't know where they're coming from when they suspect these people. It is dificult to try and understand their thinking.

Well I didn't suspect them but I also don't suspect the Celis's either and find it difficult to understand the thinking of those who do.

 

[mck16]

How does it tell you that?

Well obviously they got into and out of the the house without being detected. If they didn't come in or go out the window they made it appear so. Pushing the screen out and opening the window. Probably had food with them to keep the dogs from barking. etc. And has so far eluded being identified by LE. Doesn't sound like a first timer to me. jmo

 

[Ransom]

Well I didn't suspect them but I also don't suspect the Celis's either and find it difficult to understand the thinking of those who do.

ITA. Plus how do you establish an alibi when you're sleeping? The only other people who could "verify" that, were sleeping too. It's the old Catch 22 thing. Sad.

 

[cluciano63]

Well I didn't suspect them but I also don't suspect the Celis's either and find it difficult to understand the thinking of those who do.

I don't think it is suspecting them so much as wishing LE would at least indicate in some way that they believe this was done by an outsider, which they have not done, or give the parents some kind of benefit of the doubt, which they haven't really done...they have never called them victims, as far as I know, they have repeated that everyone "including the parents" are POI's whenever asked, and just seem to leave it out there that the parents are definitely not cleared.

I don't believe either one is involved...I DO believe it was someone who has been in their home. And I think there may be something, unrelated to Isabel, that the Dad is hiding, but that is just a feeling.

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

Well obviously they got into and out of the the house without being detected. If they didn't come in or go out the window they made it appear so. Pushing the screen out and opening the window. Probably had food with them to keep the dogs from barking. etc. And has so far eluded being identified by LE. Doesn't sound like a first timer to me. jmo

And also managed not to get picked up on any of the several cameras in the area...so did they know where they all were? Carrying a child of six is not something one can do furtively, IMO...one would stand out. Carrying her over a fence? Into an alley? Wherever he went...he managed to not be picked up by cameras or witnesses, I guess, or LE would know for sure that they have a kidnapper on the loose...JMO...just too much points to someone familiar with the home, the layout, the neighborhood, the whole scene...