AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[SmoothOperator]

I thought it had been understood that the gather. Com articles are total BS.. with CH and gather actually being banned back in the Koenig case.. guess not since the link is not ****** out.. most realize her articles aren't in any way whatsoever factually based and are completely sensationalized and exploited for what will give the author the greatest hits to her page.. she leeches on to poor missing person cases for her own selfish gain..despicable IMO.

She led a blasphemous crusade against the dead victim, Samantha Koenig and her daddy.. I mean she is as low as low can go with sensationalism for pure selfish greed and gain and I'd stomached more than enough from her leeching on to cases prior to Sam's.. Her despicable blasphemous slandering, pissed off "articles" about Samantha Koenig was the final straw for many.. It is despicable!!

 

[Lava]

Because LE believes the family is responsible for Isa's disappearance and doesn't want them to know that. IMHO


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This is the only thing I can come up with as well.

 

[mck16]

This is the only thing I can come up with as well.

I don't understand. Can you explain to me. tia

 

[katydid23]

Yeah that is a bit strange, My daughter is 9 now but has always been the type of child, when she is tired, she goes and gets in bed. Usually without a word, she will be sitting on the couch watching tv with us, then I would go to the restroom, come back and she wouldn't be on the couch or downstairs, so I would walk upstairs and look and she would already be snoring.

When a child has had that busy of a day, and they are looking that tired, why would a parent ask them, are you hungry...at 11:00 no less. If she is walking by her daddy (we still aren't sure from where she was walking by) it seems more realistic to me that you would ask, are you going to bed now sweetie, brush your teeth before you get in bed.

If Becky went to bed before Isa, When was it that she braided her hair, where was Isa coming from when she walked past her daddy. I still don't get asking a child if they are hungry, that late at night, if they are on their way to bed, not to mention they have a 9:00 am ballgame themselves the next morning.

There is one scenario that might make sense, in Segio's defense. I remember when my son used to have late hockey games, when we came home at 10 pm, he was usually starving. So we would have scrambled eggs or something before he went to bed. My DD used to fall asleep already in the car though.
But it is possible that the boys were in the kitchen with dad, eating, because growing boys are always hungry. And she may have walked in and said goodnight.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I saw it as the opposite, saying that an intruder did a decent job of covering his tracks, i.e fingerprints etc.

I think if it were the parents, that there would have been evidence of. The cameras around would have caught the car somewhere (i think a car was caught unless the guy lived within walking distance for a six year old). It is one thing not to be able to identify one of a hundred cars but another to miss seeing the specific car you are looking for.

Abductions don't take much covering up, it is the ones who stay and assault that have the problem (dna etc) You need luck but if you have planned it and I agree with the other poster the dogs being let out was either an aborted attempt or a trial run to see if they barked at him and to get them used to his smell, it isn't that hard not to leave evidence.

Get in, use a knife to scare the child into compliance and silence, make her walk out in front of you and go, touching little.

Great points and ITA!

I have always felt whoever this is .........they are not a stupid person. Maybe of higher intelligence. Maybe someone who is obsessed with CSI type shows because after all those type shows and other forensic shows teaches criminals what to do and not do. Even LE is admitting the criminals are becoming smarter and harder to catch.

Just because someone is a creepazoid doesnt mean they are idiots or maniacs. Many who have murdered others including kidnapping them first were extremely smart, methodical and organized.

I think this person may be somewhat like David Westerfield who came into the Van Dam home and went up to Danielle's bed and took her out of the home and didnt leave one trace of him behind in the home.

Or they could have gotten lucky just like Couey did when he did the same and left no evidence of himself behind in the Lunsford home.

I never thought the person would be a psycho but I do think he could be a sociopath who has no feelings for anyone else but himself. They do not excite easily and can remain very calm but ruthless in order to get what they think they deserve.

IMO

 

[curiousc]

Wow, that explains best, exactly how I see things when it comes to Becky and Sergio. I believe the person who wrote that article is spot on. JMO

With that interview that was posted in that link, I find it interesting how they were asked if they had any inclination of who might have done this and they said they could not. I think many of us could think of one person who may have acted a bit strangely at some point and you could name someone, even if it were a neighbor. Of course, they may have said no in order to avoid further questioning.

 

[cluciano63]

LE could/would not say that the perp is a genius, as they are not going to compliment someone for fooling them and they can't very well say they did a lousy job, since LE has not solved the case or found Isabel...so they chose a word, "adequate"...I don't think it means anything in particular. JMO

 

[GutFeeling!]

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981310201

I agree completely on the comments/analysis on Isabel's parents recent interview in this link.

I have zero respect for the writer.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They wanted them to be vocal because they had FBI Behavioral analysts at hand - they too wanted to judge.

I personally think it would have been wise to face the media and cry real tears but I am not them and I am not in their situation. We all handle things differently. As I said, i am sure they will look back and have regrets of not doing things differently, but they have done what they did and if at this stage they think it is right so be it.

Back to the lack of tears, moo of course, but a sobbing parent on TV does nothing except make people feelsorry for them, if they can possible hold it together and explain about their missing child, share a little of her with those concerned it is a lot better than an uncontrollable crying mum that can't say a word and just makes your heart break. There are times when people are in pain that they actually do stop crying if they can - even if that is for 10 minutes. Some, God forbid, may even allow themselves to laugh or at minimum smile when a decent memory pops into their mind.

There is simply no way for parents of missing children to win. They will be criticized if they cry too much being accused of crying fake tears or if they cry too little or if they try not to cry at all.

I truly dont believe these parents pay attention to what is said about them by people they dont even know. The people that do know them ..support them and really that is the most important thing they need.

Does it hurt them that some criticise them and accuse them of horrible things? Imo, yes, but they go on with what they have to do hoping to get their child home safe and sound.

IMO

 

[panthera]

There is one scenario that might make sense, in Segio's defense. I remember when my son used to have late hockey games, when we came home at 10 pm, he was usually starving. So we would have scrambled eggs or something before he went to bed. My DD used to fall asleep already in the car though.
But it is possible that the boys were in the kitchen with dad, eating, because growing boys are always hungry. And she may have walked in and said goodnight.

That is probably exactly what happened. I find nothing odd about the exchange of him offering her food and her being tired so she just wants to go to bed. Maybe it had been hours since they had actually eaten, except for the chips she snacked (and choked) on during the game.

MOO

 

[FORDANIEL]

LE could/would not say that the perp is a genius, as they are not going to compliment someone for fooling them and they can't very well say they did a lousy job, since LE has not solved the case or found Isabel...so they chose a word, "adequate"...I don't think it means anything in particular. JMO

"ADEQUATE" has been good enough,so far.Adequate,has been enough,to keep this case from being solved. Does this make anyone inadequate?:banghead:

 

[Deleted member 718]

Maybe "covered up" means they have an alibi. If we are right in thinking this was a calculated action, then the perp would make sure he had an alibi in place.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

With that interview that was posted in that link, I find it interesting how they were asked if they had any inclination of who might have done this and they said they could not. I think many of us could think of one person who may have acted a bit strangely at some point and you could name someone, even if it were a neighbor. Of course, they may have said no in order to avoid further questioning.

If this happened to one of our children.. I can honestly say, I cant think of one person that we know that would do something so brutal and cruel.

IMO

 

[white rabbit]

There is simply no way for parents of missing children to win. They will be criticized if they cry too much being accused of crying fake tears or if they cry too little or if they try not to cry at all.

I truly dont believe these parents pay attention to what is said about them by people they dont even know. The people that do know them ..support them and really that is the most important thing they need.

Does it hurt them that some criticise them and accuse them of horrible things? Imo, yes, but they go on with what they have to do hoping to get their child home safe and sound.

IMO

i completely agree with you but why does LE ask them to go on television but instructs the entire family (justin, louis, etc) not to talk to reporters about anything factual regarding the timeline of their baby girl's disappearance.

c'mon.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

i completely agree with you but why does LE ask them to go on television but instructs the entire family (justin, louis, etc) not to talk to reporters about anything factual regarding the timeline of their baby girl's disappearance.

c'mon.

To keep Isa's face, name and case in the public's eyes?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"ADEQUATE" has been good enough,so far.Adequate,has been enough,to keep this case from being solved. Does this make anyone inadequate?:banghead:

It seems only about 64% of crimes are ever solved so a lot of criminals these days are doing 'adequate' jobs of covering up crimes.
IMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

Because LE believes the family is responsible for Isa's disappearance and doesn't want them to know that. IMHO


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Moo but if the above were the case LE has done an excellent job of an absolute FAIL in successfully doing so.. IOW "if" LE were wanting to "throw off the family" of LE believing they are guilty of Isa's disappearance IMO they would be lulling the family into a false sense of security that they'd gotten away with it.. Making it appear as tho LE were focused in ANOTHER DIRECTION AWAY FROM THE FAMILY.. That in fact is NOT AT ALL what is happening in this case..

It is a very typical tactic LE use in these cases where they will lull the suspect into a false sense of security that LE is not even looking in their direction.. This is done by making it appear as tho they are completely focused in another direction of another suspect.. I believe that is exactly what is happening here.. LE are letting it be known that they are HEAVILY FOCUSED IN ON THE FAMILY while IMO the perp is believing they are getting away with their crime.. Many times this over confidence and false sense of security they have in believing LE is focused in on the fam(in this case) and not zeroed in on the perp at all.. Many times that cockiness, self assured feeling leads them directly into the "trap" LE has set.. When the perp screws up and LE gets their man when he screws up from that over confidence they had in believing LE wasn't even looking at them because they were supposedly zeroed in on the family..

That IMO is what could possibly be occurring in this case.. But to say just the opposite and that it's the fam that's being lulled into false sense of security is IMO an EPIC FAIL on the part of LE due to the fact that they are keeping the focus on the family as far as the media/public know..jmo, tho..


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[curiousc]

If this happened to one of our children.. I can honestly say, I cant think of one person that we know that would do something so brutal and cruel.

IMO

We may not think that someone could do something so brutal and cruel, and it is, but we may think of a neighbor, an acquaintance at a sports game, etc. perhaps being a bit too friendly to one of our children that may make one think....just perhaps this is the person. I keep my kids close and I am very protective of them just because of what I read on this forum and I sure would make sure they would stay away from such an individual. As moms we tend to get an insight to some people's behaviors.

The one thing I can think of is denial toward a family member or members doing such a cruel act. A family member is supposed to be loving and caring towards others, so you wouldn't think anything different. Family members you would think are the least likely to do anything but are often the ones that do.

JMO

 

[gitana1]

I think I am going to watch or try to find interviews from other parents in a similar situation as this. Just for comparison.

I think that is a good idea. I do think many people react differently but watching and listening to how the innocent react vs. the guilty is an important thing to do. let me start out with a couple videos:

Breann Rodriguez' father:
08/11/2011: Nancy Grace - Parents Fail Polygraph - Missing Breeann Rodriguez - YouTube
Breann Rodriguez' parents:
08/08/2011: Toddler's Parent's Plea For Safe Return - Missing Breeann Rodriguez - YouTube
(Innocent)

Danielle Van Dam's parents (text only)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91930&page=1#.T6cW9FJwhK0
(Innocent)

Does anyone want to help me add to the list with videos and audio?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I thought it had been understood that the gather. Com articles are total BS.. with CH and gather actually being banned back in the Koenig case.. guess not since the link is not ****** out.. most realize her articles aren't in any way whatsoever factually based and are completely sensationalized and exploited for what will give the author the greatest hits to her page.. she leeches on to poor missing person cases for her own selfish gain..despicable IMO.

She led a blasphemous crusade against the dead victim, Samantha Koenig and her daddy.. I mean she is as low as low can go with sensationalism for pure selfish greed and gain and I'd stomached more than enough from her leeching on to cases prior to Sam's.. Her despicable blasphemous slandering, pissed off "articles" about Samantha Koenig was the final straw for many.. It is despicable!!

I was very shocked to see the gather article and the author works for Huff Po too which is just as bad in their reporting, imo. They are also full of BS like gather.

To me gather is nothing more than a blog that anyone could have where they write from a biased slant.

IMO