AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[PlainJaneDoe]

Yes, I totally agree that Diena absolutely was IN EVERYONE's FACE THROUGHOUT THE MEDIA for her daughter.. Yet still a huge percentage of people here and elsewhere spoke openly that their opinion was strongly that Diena was GUILTY of being involved in Somer's abduction/murder.. Of course we know now that was far far from accurate as Diena had absolutely no involvement whatsoever as it was a neighbor who raped and murdered her daughter, Somer.. As well as Diena now is very much an advocate for the missing children and their loved ones..

IMO it just goes to show that NO MATTER WHAT THE PARENTS DO OR DON'T DO.. Talk too much or talk too little.. Blink too much, don't blink enough, or keep their eyelids closed for too long.. It does not maTter because public opinion will still be by some, all, or any that the parents are absolute liars who murdered their child and dumped them like trash.. Just as was the case with Diena Thompson.. And just as is the case here with Becky and Sergio..they cannot win and public opinion is truly very harsh and very often dead wrong..




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Tori Stafford's mom got a lot of criticism, too, for the semi-regular press conferences she held after her daughter's disappearance. I wasn't here for that; I just read the general discussion threads post hoc and it was really an eye-opener for me about how wrongly I probably would've judged her. (I read the threads knowing that a stranger would be charged with Tori's murder.)

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Because LE believes the family is responsible for Isa's disappearance and doesn't want them to know that. IMHO

This is the only thing I can come up with as well.

:seeya:

JMO but it is the ONLY thing that makes sense !

And LE knows this ... as well as LE already knows this was NO "stranger abduction" ... the evidence, etc. is leading right back to the Celis' home ...

One of the "biggest clues" that the focus IS on the family -- and NOT a "stranger" IMO -- is the fbi Behavioral Analysis Unit was in the home ... they were there for a reason ...

IF LE knew it was a "stranger abduction," IMO, seriously doubt the Behavioral Analysis Unit would be wasting time there ...

lease: I hope there is a break in the case SOON and Isabel is found ...

:moo:

 

[liz b.]

ITA with your post. but has anyone seen, on any case, where LE all but begs the parents of a missing child to go before the camera, but gives them a laundry list of what they cannot discuss?

per the ann curry and local media interviews, BC and SC answered many of the questions with, paraphrased, "we are not allowed to discuss". why would LE specifically, publicly request their presence in MSM and at the same time say they could not answer any of the following, all relevant and pertinent to the crime at hand?:

- what isabel was wearing (elementary to ANY child abduction)
- the events of friday evening, exactly
- who was at the home (they said no one. so why doesn't LE say the same?)
- who put isabel to bed (it was someone or no one. say so)
- when the parents went to bed (10:30, 12:30, 2, who cares? just say so)
- who heard dogs (we didn't hear dogs or we heard dogs)
- who was awake at 6:30 along with the neighbor
- when did becky wake, shower, and leave (exactly)
- who was at the house at 8:00
- when did uncle/brother/cousin arrive or awaken
- who called 911

in other words, LE wants the family on camera but LE doesn't want the family to answer any questions? there's a problem here...IMO...

WR, Even stranger : IIRC, LE said that they wanted the parents to do one on one interviews so that they (LE) could study their reactions. First time I have heard of that... JMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

Even if there is evidence, they won't arrest unless there is enough evidence to convict. Consider Kyron's stepmother, Sky's mom, Baby Lisa's parents, Ayla's father... all cases where LE actually made statements that evidence pointed to the parent (stepparent, in Kyron's case), but no arrests. :banghead:

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[white rabbit]

To keep Isa's face, name and case in the public's eyes?

absolutely...but LE did that for 12 days straight with regular, scheduled press conferences.

my point is (lost in my posts lol) why does LE tell the family not to tell the public what happened that night? who is hiding what here?

a good question for the next reporter to ask LE: "have you ever instructed the family not to reveal what she was wearing and who was in the house during the hours between 11pm and 8am?"

if the family is innocent, which we have no reason not to believe at this point, the timeline should read "all 5 of us got home from the game...gave the boys a snack...braided isa's hair...crashed...i was on the couch watching espn...dogs barked at around 6:30 when someone got up to pee...becky was late for work and jumped in the shower...left without blow-drying her hair...went to wake isa and she wasn't there"...etc.

i'd believe that. what i don't believe is how an LE report of a missing child goes up with "there is no information available as to what she was wearing"...seriously???

 

[oceanblueeyes]

We may not think that someone could do something so brutal and cruel, and it is, but we may think of a neighbor, an acquaintance at a sports game, etc. perhaps being a bit too friendly to one of our children that may make one think....just perhaps this is the person. I keep my kids close and I am very protective of them just because of what I read on this forum and I sure would make sure they would stay away from such an individual. As moms we tend to get an insight to some people's behaviors.

The one thing I can think of is denial toward a family member or members doing such a cruel act. A family member is supposed to be loving and caring towards others, so you wouldn't think anything different. Family members you would think are the least likely to do anything but are often the ones that do.

JMO

I do understand what you mean. When you posted the previous post about that I honestly tried to think of anyone we knew that I felt even half way capable of something so heinous and I couldnt come up with anyone.

Now if I had to think about it for days maybe I could but it would probably be someone we dont really know well in our real life.

I have been on MBs way too long and denial has never been an issue in any case we have discussed. I have seen parents I thought were guilty of harming their child and absolutely believed they were guilty as heck and it turned out they were but then I have seen many family members through the years I felt were totally innocent and they turned out to be.

But usually (not all) family members who harm children have red flags in their lives. There will be domestic violence issues.....or custody issues or issues of neglect or other abuses and even drugs and alcohol abuse.

IMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

i completely agree with you but why does LE ask them to go on television but instructs the entire family (justin, louis, etc) not to talk to reporters about anything factual regarding the timeline of their baby girl's disappearance.

c'mon.

Emmmmm. If I recall correctly, LE never once told the family not to talk to reporters.

Link, please?


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[carole]

ITA with your post. but has anyone seen, on any case, where LE all but begs the parents of a missing child to go before the camera, but gives them a laundry list of what they cannot discuss?

per the ann curry and local media interviews, BC and SC answered many of the questions with, paraphrased, "we are not allowed to discuss". why would LE specifically, publicly request their presence in MSM and at the same time say they could not answer any of the following, all relevant and pertinent to the crime at hand?:

- what isabel was wearing (elementary to ANY child abduction)
- the events of friday evening, exactly
- who was at the home (they said no one. so why doesn't LE say the same?)
- who put isabel to bed (it was someone or no one. say so)
- when the parents went to bed (10:30, 12:30, 2, who cares? just say so)
- who heard dogs (we didn't hear dogs or we heard dogs)
- who was awake at 6:30 along with the neighbor
- when did becky wake, shower, and leave (exactly)
- who was at the house at 8:00
- when did uncle/brother/cousin arrive or awaken
- who called 911

in other words, LE wants the family on camera but LE doesn't want the family to answer any questions? there's a problem here...IMO...

BBM

But we don't know if LE has limited what the parents can say - only the parents are saying this. It may be SOP for the Tucson police dept not to comment on on-going missing person cases. There may be no such request to the parents from LE.

 

[Taminator]

With that interview that was posted in that link, I find it interesting how they were asked if they had any inclination of who might have done this and they said they could not. I think many of us could think of one person who may have acted a bit strangely at some point and you could name someone, even if it were a neighbor. Of course, they may have said no in order to avoid further questioning.

Maybe it's not someone they "know". Maybe it's someone who knows someone that they know. It only takes one time of someone saying "Hey, do you mind if John Doe comes to XYZ gathering?" or one time of that person tagging along at a softball game.

I think this is someone who has a connection to someone in the family, but if and when that person is caught, it's going to be someone the immediately family has a brief recollection of.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Tori Stafford's mom got a lot of criticism, too, for the semi-regular press conferences she held after her daughter's disappearance. I wasn't here for that; I just read the general discussion threads post hoc and it was really an eye-opener for me about how wrongly I probably would've judged her. (I read the threads knowing that a stranger would be charged with Tori's murder.)

Yes, she was falsely accused.

I believe that trial is going on now, PJD.

Another heartbreaking case.

 

[white rabbit]

WR, Even stranger : IIRC, LE said that they wanted the parents to do one on one interviews so that they (LE) could study their reactions. First time I have heard of that... JMO

thanks liz...you know i'm no pro here. but breean's father outright said "i failed the polygraph and i don't know why". LE never said "OH! LOOK! HE FAILED!".

so i'm just wondering why LE is giving the family so many hints and instructions. or is the family just claiming such? and if LE suspects them, they must have a reason.

i am not going to behaviorally or orally analyze this family's interviews or online statements. i don't know them. not my place.

i have a theory but we can't sleuth certain members of the family...and i'm NOT talking uncle/brother/cousin...:silenced:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

But we don't know if LE has limited what the parents can say - only the parents are saying this. It may be SOP for the Tucson police dept not to comment on on-going missing person cases. There may be no such request to the parents from LE.

It just makes common sense to me if LE is not wanting those things known they sure dont want the parents telling the media of all people.

 

[Shelby2]

:what:

I thought that someone from LE would be monitoring incoming calls if their land line is often used.

I agree.
Also I would not be in a rush to go home-I don't think..I don't see how I could ever feel safe there again. And what about her brothers? Maybe they don't feel safe there either.

 

[white rabbit]

Emmmmm. If I recall correctly, LE never once told the family not to talk to reporters.

Link, please?


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sorry, that's not what i meant...not to talk to reporters about the above laundry list of questions. louis said "i can't talk about such-and-such" and SC/BC have said the same. so my question really is, did the TPD ask the family not to talk about anything specific to reporters...all the while asking them to talk to reporters?

oh i'm starting not to make sense. lol. apologies.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe LE wanted to see if the family would say they could not talk about certain things, when in fact LE had not restricted them...just a guess...

 

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I finally got the video from last night's ball game to play.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/isabel-celis-parents-attend-charity-softball-game/#!prettyPhoto/0/

 

[Shelby2]

Right, sorry...but it still seems as though someone in the family would have picked up on NG and all of her coverage for two weeks...

They may not be aware of TES...but I figured someone would have seen Marc K. though I may be assuming too much.

I guess I think that if in a situation like this, one would find out what help is available...

JMO

It does not seem like LE wants the help of TES though, or anyone as far as searches go.

 

[Lava]

:seeya:

JMO but it is the ONLY thing that makes sense !

And LE knows this ... as well as LE already knows this was NO "stranger abduction" ... the evidence, etc. is leading right back to the Celis' home ...

One of the "biggest clues" that the focus IS on the family -- and NOT a "stranger" IMO -- is the fbi Behavioral Analysis Unit was in the home ... they were there for a reason ...

IF LE knew it was a "stranger abduction," IMO, seriously doubt the Behavioral Analysis Unit would be wasting time there ...

lease: I hope there is a break in the case SOON and Isabel is found ...

:moo:

Yeah. I am sure LE is looking at all options, but so far, everything said and done in public has been about the family. They seem to be looking at the family extremely close (even after 15 days) and not really concerned with releasing anything that suggests otherwise. So, I think it is only logical that many people are going to have suspicions about the family. I understand some people can't see what others see, in regards to suspicions about the family, but for me at least, so far everything points to them.

 

[mck16]

Moo but if the above were the case LE has done an excellent job of an absolute FAIL in successfully doing so.. IOW "if" LE were wanting to "throw off the family" of LE believing they are guilty of Isa's disappearance IMO they would be lulling the family into a false sense of security that they'd gotten away with it.. Making it appear as tho LE were focused in ANOTHER DIRECTION AWAY FROM THE FAMILY.. That in fact is NOT AT ALL what is happening in this case..

It is a very typical tactic LE use in these cases where they will lull the suspect into a false sense of security that LE is not even looking in their direction.. This is done by making it appear as tho they are completely focused in another direction of another suspect.. I believe that is exactly what is happening here.. LE are letting it be known that they are HEAVILY FOCUSED IN ON THE FAMILY while IMO the perp is believing they are getting away with their crime.. Many times this over confidence and false sense of security they have in believing LE is focused in on the fam(in this case) and not zeroed in on the perp at all.. Many times that cockiness, self assured feeling leads them directly into the "trap" LE has set.. When the perp screws up and LE gets their man when he screws up from that over confidence they had in believing LE wasn't even looking at them because they were supposedly zeroed in on the family..

That IMO is what could possibly be occurring in this case.. But to say just the opposite and that it's the fam that's being lulled into false sense of security is IMO an EPIC FAIL on the part of LE due to the fact that they are keeping the focus on the family as far as the media/public know..jmo, tho..


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BBM

But we don't know if LE has limited what the parents can say - only the parents are saying this. It may be SOP for the Tucson police dept not to comment on on-going missing person cases. There may be no such request to the parents from LE.

Why is it that when LE is asked these or any questions they answer with that is part of the investigation and we can't comment, and it is okay. But, if the parents are asked and they say they cannot answer because it might interfer with the investigation it is not okay. Why is LE believed and parents aren't. I don't understand this at all. jmo

 

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