AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[mck16]

sorry, that's not what i meant...not to talk to reporters about the above laundry list of questions. louis said "i can't talk about such-and-such" and SC/BC have said the same. so my question really is, did the TPD ask the family not to talk about anything specific to reporters...all the while asking them to talk to reporters?

oh i'm starting not to make sense. lol. apologies.

It has always been my impression that LE was responding to questions by reporters as to how the family was doing. Were they upset, were they not, etc. LE said you will have to ask them that. LE never once indicated they wanted the parents to answer questions that directly related to the case. jmo

 

[Deleted member 718]

Man tries to lure girl in white van by asking for directions


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Pima County Sheriff's Department responded to a stranger danger incident Wednesday.

According to a police report, a 14-year-old got off the bus Wednesday afternoon and somebody in a white van approached her near Campbell Avenue and Skyline Drive.

The girl told police that as she was walking from the bus to her home, she noticed a white van driving slowly towards her. She said she did not feel right about how slow the van was going so she started to head up into a desert area to avoid the van.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...re-girl-in-white-van-by-asking-for-directions

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why is it that when LE is asked these or any questions they answer with that is part of the investigation and we can't comment, and it is okay. But, if the parents are asked and they say they cannot answer because it might interfer with the investigation it is not okay. Why is LE believed and parents aren't. I don't understand this at all. jmo

Thank you.

I really dont understand that logic.

If LE doesnt want certain things known about their ongoing investigation the last thing that LE would want is to have the Celis family blabbing things LE is not disclosing.

LE wanted the Celis family to come forward and plead for Isa's return. That is what they wanted them to do and that is what they have done and are continuing to do.

I cant count the cases where families have said they cant discuss certain things because they do not want to impede the investigation. It isnt just this family but other families who have found themselves in the same situation the Celis family is in.

IMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

Why is it that when LE is asked these or any questions they answer with that is part of the investigation and we can't comment, and it is okay. But, if the parents are asked and they say they cannot answer because it might interfer with the investigation it is not okay. Why is LE believed and parents aren't. I don't understand this at all. jmo

Because LE are not persons of interest in Isa's disappearance and her parents are.


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[oceanblueeyes]

Because LE are not persons of interest in Isa's disappearance and her parents are.


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No where have they named them specifically and said they are the POIs.

The entire population of Tucson are POIs.

 

[mck16]

Because LE are not persons of interest in Isa's disappearance and her parents are.


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Maybe POI's to you, but I don't think there has been any persons of interest named. So, you don't believe that the parents have been told not to discuss facts of the case? There has not been one statement by LE saying they want the parents to talk to the press and answer questions about the case. They indicated the reporters would have to ask the family about how they were doing because reporters kept asking LE that question. It was never about critical questions about their case. And as long as LE knows the answers to critical questions why does anyone else need to know? jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Man tries to lure girl in white van by asking for directions


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Pima County Sheriff's Department responded to a stranger danger incident Wednesday.

According to a police report, a 14-year-old got off the bus Wednesday afternoon and somebody in a white van approached her near Campbell Avenue and Skyline Drive.

The girl told police that as she was walking from the bus to her home, she noticed a white van driving slowly towards her. She said she did not feel right about how slow the van was going so she started to head up into a desert area to avoid the van.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...re-girl-in-white-van-by-asking-for-directions

Thanks, giving.

These creeps seem to be coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches nowadays and some of them are so bold they are doing it in broad daylight. Ugggh.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

absolutely...but LE did that for 12 days straight with regular, scheduled press conferences.

my point is (lost in my posts lol) why does LE tell the family not to tell the public what happened that night? who is hiding what here?

a good question for the next reporter to ask LE: "have you ever instructed the family not to reveal what she was wearing and who was in the house during the hours between 11pm and 8am?"

if the family is innocent, which we have no reason not to believe at this point, the timeline should read "all 5 of us got home from the game...gave the boys a snack...braided isa's hair...crashed...i was on the couch watching espn...dogs barked at around 6:30 when someone got up to pee...becky was late for work and jumped in the shower...left without blow-drying her hair...went to wake isa and she wasn't there"...etc.

i'd believe that. what i don't believe is how an LE report of a missing child goes up with "there is no information available as to what she was wearing"...seriously???

white rabbit, it would be wonderful to be privy to a timeline like you suggested! Several posters have already given their opinions as to why that might not have been possible ~ and I can't say it as well as they already have.

But as to what I have bolded: Is that a fact that the parents said they weren't allowed to say what clothes she was wearing? And that LE stated they had no information available about her clothing?

I thought it was released that she was in sports clothes, not pj's. I thought we even knew the colors.

But if what you say is true, it gives me chills. Does that mean that whatever she had been wearing when she went to bed was left behind? That thought really gives me the creeps . . .

Can you all help me out here?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Man tries to lure girl in white van by asking for directions


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Pima County Sheriff's Department responded to a stranger danger incident Wednesday.

According to a police report, a 14-year-old got off the bus Wednesday afternoon and somebody in a white van approached her near Campbell Avenue and Skyline Drive.

The girl told police that as she was walking from the bus to her home, she noticed a white van driving slowly towards her. She said she did not feel right about how slow the van was going so she started to head up into a desert area to avoid the van.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...re-girl-in-white-van-by-asking-for-directions

Omg. Could you find a more stereotypical "molester" vehicle? (No disrespect to anyone who drives such a vehicle...my dad used to! But, um, he didn't follow young girls at suspiciously low speeds.)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Maybe POI's to you, but I don't think there has been any persons of interest named. So, you don't believe that the parents have been told not to discuss facts of the case? There has not been one statement by LE saying they want the parents to talk to the press and answer questions about the case. They indicated the reporters would have to ask the family about how they were doing because reporters kept asking LE that question. It was never about critical questions about their case. And as long as LE knows the answers to critical questions why does anyone else need to know? jmo

Name me one LE department that wants everyone to know what is happening in an ongoing investigation???? Thud!

And they darn sure dont want it coming from outside of the police department.

Sierra Lamar's mother has said the very same thing. she cant say certain things because she does not want to impede the ongoing investigation to find her daughter.

IMO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Thanks, giving.

These creeps seem to be coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches nowadays and some of them are so bold they are doing it in broad daylight. Ugggh.

I hope a local will tell us where this is in relation to the 3 little girls. I think both are north Tucson.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Omg. Could you find a more stereotypical "molester" vehicle? (No disrespect to anyone who drives such a vehicle...my dad used to! But, um, he didn't follow young girls at suspiciously low speeds.)

It is creepy isnt it?

 

[Lava]

Why is it that when LE is asked these or any questions they answer with that is part of the investigation and we can't comment, and it is okay. But, if the parents are asked and they say they cannot answer because it might interfer with the investigation it is not okay. Why is LE believed and parents aren't. I don't understand this at all. jmo

It really comes down to whose decision it is. LE is obviously conducting an investigation. If they say they can't comment due to compromising an investigation we have to believe that because they are the ones in charge of it - they have all the information

The family has already made repeated statements about LE scrutiny, LE keeping them at bay, and more that suggest LE is focusing a lot of attention on them. A lot of times, IMO, LE withholds information just because that is protocol, but that doesn't mean the family can't speak out about it. For instance, I have seen cases where LE won't comment on a polygraph result, but the person who took the polygraph result has. Sometimes LE tells families they can talk about it, but LE wont comment on it themselves.

So there are a lot of questions regarding who is making the decision not to talk. We know why LE wouldn't talk - but why would the family choose not to (if they are indeed making that decision). Given that at least one statement they made wasn't entirely truthful, it is reasonable to at least wonder if when they say "We can't comment on that" really means "we wont".

:moo:

 

[pieper4]

I hope a local will tell us where this is in relation to the 3 little girls. I think both are north Tucson.

If this is the case near Townsend middle school, it's on Craycroft not far from the Celis's area.

ETA: Nope. Your link is to another report. Campbell and Skyline is well North and West of the Celis' neighborhood. There was a similar report near Townsend on Craycroft a few days ago as well.

 

[mck16]

It really comes down to whose decision it is. LE is obviously conducting an investigation. If they say they can't comment due to compromising an investigation we have to believe that because they are the ones in charge of it - they have all the information

The family has already made repeated statements about LE scrutiny, LE keeping them at bay, and more that suggest LE is focusing a lot of attention on them. A lot of times, IMO, LE withholds information just because that is protocol, but that doesn't mean the family can't speak out about it. For instance, I have seen cases where LE won't comment on a polygraph result, but the person who took the polygraph result has. Sometimes LE tells families they can talk about it, but LE wont comment on it themselves.

So there are a lot of questions regarding who is making the decision not to talk. We know why LE wouldn't talk - but why would the family choose not to (if they are indeed making that decision). Given that at least one statement they made wasn't entirely truthful, it is reasonable to at least wonder if when they say "We can't comment on that" really means "we wont".

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Help me out here. lol Other than the questions about the poly, what have the parents been asked that they said they could not comment on? tia

 

[Ransom]

why is it that when le is asked these or any questions they answer with that is part of the investigation and we can't comment, and it is okay. But, if the parents are asked and they say they cannot answer because it might interfer with the investigation it is not okay. Why is le believed and parents aren't. I don't understand this at all. Jmo

a m e n.

 

[Lava]

Help me out here. lol Other than the questions about the poly, what have the parents been asked that they said they could not comment on? tia

A lot of questions about the specific circumstances of the night she disappeared.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Why is it that when LE is asked these or any questions they answer with that is part of the investigation and we can't comment, and it is okay. But, if the parents are asked and they say they cannot answer because it might interfer with the investigation it is not okay. Why is LE believed and parents aren't. I don't understand this at all. jmo

Because LE are not persons of interest in Isa's disappearance and her parents are.


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And how in any way whatsoever does that actually answer for the above question being asked?? The question is why when specific question is asked about this investigation to LE IT IS OK THAT THE ANSWER IS THEY CANNOT COMMENT DUE TO IT INTERFERING WITH THE CASE..

And then those same exact specific questions are asked of the parents IT IS NOT OK when they give the same exact answer to the same exact question LE did.. That they CANNOT COMMENT DUE TO INTRFERING WITH THE CASE..??

"parents are persons of interest and LE is not" IS NOT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT mck16 asked.. The parents are NOT POIs first of all and even if they were its completely irrelevant to the question of why can LE state no comment due to investigation and it's ok.. But when parents give the same answer that they cannot comment due to investigation it is NOT OK and the parents are lying and hiding..

The question posed by mck16 is very very good one that IMO does deserve to be thought about and answered as to why would someone expect the parents to give an answer that could interfere with the investigation.. If that is what LE states is the reason that they cannot answer particular questions then obviously the parents cannot answer the question either for those exact same reasons.. If you believe LE and the que they are giving(as what is exactly what many give as their reason for suspicions of the parents because LE seem to be).. Then why then is LE word stating that certain questions cannot be answered NOT BEING TAKEN A QUE FROM?? IOW LE says that those questions cannot be answered at this time due to the investigation.. Take LE word for what they are saying and therefor it's not logical to expect that the parents are going to give any different answer than just exactly what LE have.. THE QUESTIONS CANNOT BE ANSWERED AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE INVESTIGATION.. You believe in this LE? Then accept the answer that LE is giving to the particular questions that NEITHER THEY, NOR THE PARENTS CAN ANSWER AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE INVESTIGATION.

mck16's question is an extremely good one with an extremely important point that specifically points out what is an obvious contradiction by some that LE answer is GOOD ENOUGH.. But that the parents same EXACT answer to THE SAME EXACT question IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH..

It points out the obvious issue there..


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[pieper4]

Here is the piece about the incident near Townsend K-8 (which I believe has two campuses... one for the middle school and an elementary on Glenn... need to look that up): http://www.kvoa.com/news/stranger-danger-incident-puts-tusd-parents-on-high-alert/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

A lot of questions about the specific circumstances of the night she disappeared.

And those facts would be part of the ongoing investigation.

If LE wont comment on this the family certainly isnt going to jepordize the investigation.

IMO