AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[dimples37398]

While I do feel that something is off with SC, based on the interviews, times he has talked. I am in no way saying he directly did something to Isa. I just believe he knows more than some people think he does and possibly knows more than he initially told LE.

I just feel, based on nothing more than a gut feeling, that something is hinky with him, what it is...I have no idea to be quite honest. I feel like Becky has no idea whatsoever what might have happened to Isa or why it happened. All of the above is just IMO and based on nothing more than personal feelings.

 

[dimples37398]

Also I have relayed all of the info about TES to the guy who is running the Find Isabel Celis facebook page, as well as the person who is running the Find Isabel Mercedes Celis facebook page, who I believe is Isa's cousin. I sent the TES info to one of the detectives email addys from the TPD.

 

[MsFacetious]

Those are some lucky dogs. Drinking, Ipods, wonder if they also were watching a good movie on tv.

Seriously, it had to take time to do everything they seem to be implying was done. How could anyone sleep through that? :banghead:

Actually it hadn't occurred to me until tonight... but do we even know for sure that all 3 dogs CAN hear?
(I mean, even without their IPOD's on.) :seeya:

 

[Pensfan]

Gil Abeyta's infant son was abducted in the middle of the night, from his crib in 1986. Still hasn't been found.
It is a very odd case, it is believed Gil's son was taken by the somewhat unbalanced woman he had been having an affair with.

http://www.findchristopher.com/

Gil attempted to contact Isa's family because he's worked in Mexico... he's found people taken to Mexico, he felt like he could help.
According to what he said on HLN, he hasn't gotten a response from them. He seemed quite mystified by their reaction to it all.

I also know LE said that searches are something LE should do. So maybe that's why no TES or anything else? :waitasec:

Respectfully shortened.

Oh, lordie! Gil Abeyta is sticking his nose in this case, too? IMO, his child's "abduction" is extremely hinky and a better hobby for Gil involves sitting in a confessional booth.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO, I am not even sure the Lindberg baby wasn't a staged kidnapping, so I am always suspicious...

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't think this was an abduction and certainly not by a stranger. Nope. I get the sense the house was staged to look one way to make it seem as if someone came in through the window, but really something else altogether happened.

 

[katydid23]

I am not even sure there were THREE dogs anymore. Original reports said 3 dogs, but we have only seen 2, I believe. The little white one Isa got for Christmas, and the large shepherd mix we saw inside the front window.

 

[dsntslp]

OT. Sorry.
Re: Christopher

Not to speak ill of a family with a missing child but, if it were me, I don't think I would post a picture of an infant in a crib with with all of that extra bedding, along with the tie to the robe???? As a mom, it just stands straight out at me. I saw that and did not even see the baby... would have to look again...to even know what he looks like.

 

[Dr. Know?]

TES was in Tucson about 1-2 years ago. There was a search for a man who got caught in the wash sadly during monsoon time. He was found, I am not sure if TES found him but TES did help searched here for him. It's tough terrain but you need a place to start & possibly a good reason to search an area & the heat is here already, it's baby snake season too, chills. TPD should be familar with TES. Either the family or TPD can ask for their assistance. We the public can't that I know of.

I support orgs that do help with searches. Dogs, pros, whatever excluding any circus.

 

[dsntslp]

TES will only come at the request of and with the permission/cooperation of LE and the family both. IMO IMO IMO

 

[carole]

Re: Christopher

Not to speak ill of a family with a missing child but, if it were me, I don't think I would post a picture of an infant in a crib with with all of that extra bedding, along with the tie to the robe???? As a mom, it just stands straight out at me. I saw that and did not even see the baby... would have to look again...to even know what he looks like.

I noticed that, too, and wondered about it. My children were born in 1972 and 1980, back when we wrapped them up, covered them up, didn't dare let a toe go uncovered lest they get chilled and catch cold and it looked like way too much even to me. JMHO, of course.

 

[carole]

TES will only come with the blessings/permission of LE and the family both. IMO IMO IMO

I'm sure that is true, I've heard that also.

 

[katydid23]

I noticed that, too, and wondered about it. My children were born in 1972 and 1980, back when we wrapped them up, covered them up, didn't dare let a toe go uncovered lest they get chilled and catch cold and it looked like way too much even to me. JMHO, of course.

I agree with you. This picture of the Abeyta baby was from 25 years ago. I remember going out to Sears and buying little race car crib liners for our first born, who is 24 now. At the time that is what we were 'told' to do, to prevent them from hitting their heads on the crib bars. LOL

As for the robe in that picture, it says that they had just bought it, and they laid it on his back for the picture. I have done stuff like that, just to take a picture. But they didn't say they left it on him while they all went to bed.

 

[dsntslp]

To be fair and impartial, Laura Recovery Center is in TX too.

http://www.lrcf.org/

"Mission Statement: The LAURA RECOVERY CENTER exists to prevent abductions and runaways and to recover missing children by fostering a Triangle of Trust among law enforcement, community and a missing child's family."
+++++++++++++++++

IMO, the requirements for most reputable SAR organizations are pretty much the same.
Teamwork. LE, Family and SAR.

JMO

 

[Pensfan]

OT. Sorry.
Re: Christopher

Not to speak ill of a family with a missing child but, if it were me, I don't think I would post a picture of an infant in a crib with with all of that extra bedding, along with the tie to the robe???? As a mom, it just stands straight out at me. I saw that and did not even see the baby... would have to look again...to even know what he looks like.

OT, but google and watch the youtube video of how the abductor had to walk through a house FILLED with people, SNEAK INTO THE PARENT'S itty-bitty, teeny-tiny bedroom where the crib was located, and then steal the infant without waking the parents. Next, read the part about giving the ex-girlfriend gifts after the abduction. :notgood:

 

[katydid23]

OT, but google and watch the youtube video of how the abductor had to walk through a house FILLED with people, SNEAK INTO THE PARENT'S itty-bitty, teeny-tiny bedroom where the crib was located, and then steal the infant without waking the parents. Next, read the part about giving the ex-girlfriend gifts after the abduction.

But things like that have happened before, many times. People sometimes sleep through kidnapping and abductions , as strange as it seems.

 

[carole]

I agree with you. This picture of the Abeyta baby was from 25 years ago. I remember going out to Sears and buying little race car crib liners for our first born, who is 24 now. At the time that is what we were 'told' to do, to prevent them from hitting their heads on the crib bars. LOL

As for the robe in that picture, it says that they had just bought it, and they laid it on his back for the picture. I have done stuff like that, just to take a picture. But they didn't say they left it on him while they all went to bed.

I looked again, and you're right, they just put it over him to see how he'd look and then took it up - I was always looking for a photo op when I had my boys - I have so many pics of my boys when they were babies, it's really funny.

And the crib bumper pad things - I actually made a set of those for my second son!! (I really loved to sew back then.)

 

[Okay then]

TES will only come at the request of and with the permission/cooperation of LE and the family both. IMO IMO IMO

I think now it is an and/or situation : "Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it has been filed with the appropriate law enforcement agency, a case number has been assigned, and law enforcement gives their consent for Texas EquuSearch to become involved. Requests for Texas EquuSearch’s assistance must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case." Looks to me that LE can request without family now. Read this here on some other case...I'm tired so I don't know which poster actually alerted to this change. :waitasec:

 

[Pensfan]

But things like that have happened before, many times. People sometimes sleep through kidnapping and abductions , as strange as it seems.

Watch the youtube video. See how tiny the house was and count the large number of people sleeping inside it that night. None of the story is logical, IMO. :notgood:

 

[katydid23]

Watch the youtube video. See how tiny the house was and count the large number of people sleeping inside it that night. None of the story is logical, IMO. :notgood:

His grown children have posted here, and have complete faith in their Dad. I am going to believe what they saw and experienced over the years, and will support his version of the story because of that. JMO