AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[AnaTeresa]

That post was brought over from an earlier thread, and was originally posted by Pensfan. It was saying that their earlier home address was found on a list of foreclosed homes.

I think the confusion was how it was saved, if it was so close to foreclosure.
My only question, comes after their long speech about never needing any financial help or ever having to borrow money. How else would they get one home out of foreclosure and land so quickly into a new one, without help or borrowing some money? I guess it just seems odd, to be able to get a bank loan to buy a home after just being in foreclosure one year earlier.

They had an attorney help them. There's lots of issues with banks foreclosing - it doesn't necessarily imply someone was near bankruptcy. We've seen in the news that banks are very quick to foreclose, sometimes unnecessarily so. Or people are told to default so that they could renegotiate terms - and then the bank forecloses instead. It's entirely possible they were able to deal with this situation without outside financial help, since there are so many variables when it comes to foreclosure.

 

[cluciano63]

OT...but LE is now releasing info about a specific car they are saying is believed to be associated with Sierra's disappearance...after 1.5 months of looking thru video...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yeah, I really don't think that's an abnormally large down payment. Then again, I saved up $10,000 for a down payment on a car. I originally wanted to pay in full, but my older car died before I could get there. Lots of people do this - not everyone wants to have a large amount of debt hanging over their head. Lots of money management people preach about saving up larger down payments for big purchases. I don't consider that amount a large down payment from my perspective - I would term it large once it was over $100,000.

LOL! When I started watching these shows on HGTV I did at first think those are large down payments but I have watched so many of them now that I know nowadays it is common for people to make high down payments.

I have seen some of them pay up to 100K or more on homes costing around 300K even when that wasnt the minimum down payment. I think people are just smarter today and know how much they save if they pay more upfront than they are even reguired.

IMO

 

[liz b.]

What is odd about saying Isa had been kidnapped? He made that comment after the police had already been called and was on the scene looking for her too.

If I got up and my child was not there and a screen was off my window and the blinds askew then the first thing I would think of is someone has kidnapped my child and if I rushed around the neighborhood and couldnt find my child anywhere that would just confirm my fears that someone has kidnapped them.

IMO

Not that anything is odd I believe you are not understanding what I am trying to say. I am saying that it is a possibility that Isabel was indeed kidnapped.

I know that posters on WS almost always have opposing theories.And they have strong opions,and post accordingly. I don't. I like to examine all kinds of possibilities. Family v non-family. RSO. Neighbor. I am hard wired to look for patterns... MOO

And the only pattern I have found here is the amazing coincidence that the dogs were let out of the Celis' yard exactly one week before her disappearance. IMO that is significant...MOO

 

[gitana1]

Ya got that right! It didn't take long for the merchandising to begin. Website set up when Isabel had only been missing for nine days! The parents said that they would never stop looking for their daughter. Sounds like they're in this for the long "haul" Cha-ching. :twocents:

Where is Isabel?

Oh my goodness. Really? You think Isabel's parents are sitting back happily raking in the dough from their missing child's disappearance? That same child who they took photo after photo of? Their youngest baby? Their only girl? The one with the super happy, vibrantly innocent little face who looked as if she was just what she was - the well-cared for and adored baby girl of the family?

It takes money to make thousands of flyers, T-shirts, stickers, billboards. It is financial disaster for parents of missing children who don't have the heart to go back to work, who must sit around day after day, with a sick gut and fear coursing through their veins.

This thread is making me very sad today.

 

[AZYaYa]

How do you know he is driving? Did they show him driving a car?

No, I just wonder how he got to the neighborhood that morning. Does he live close enough to walk? I suppose in such a situation, I'd drive anyway, even if my license was suspended or revoked.

 

[gitana1]

OT...but LE is not now releasing info about a specific car they are saying is believed to be associated with Sierra's disappearance...after 1.5 months of looking thru video...

Just now or not now?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ya got that right! It didn't take long for the merchandising to begin. Website set up when Isabel had only been missing for nine days! The parents said that they would never stop looking for their daughter. Sounds like they're in this for the long "haul" Cha-ching. :twocents:

Where is Isabel?

They have to prepare themselves that they could be in this for the long haul. No one knows if and when Isa may be found.

I dont know why people have a problem with funds being set up for missing children. I sure have contributed to my fair share of them in the past and havent ever regreted it for one second. I am going to also send the Celis family money. If a person wants to contribute they do or if they dont they wont. Seems like a simple concept to me.

I have even given to funds setup for children when one of their parents were cold bloodily murdered by their other parent.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not that anything is odd I believe you are not understanding what I am trying to say. I am saying that it is a possibility that Isabel was indeed kidnapped.

I know that posters on WS almost always have opposing theories.And they have strong opions,and post accordingly. I don't. I like to examine all kinds of possibilities. Family v non-family. RSO. Neighbor. I am hard wired to look for patterns... MOO

And the only pattern I have found here is the amazing coincidence that the dogs were let out of the Celis' yard exactly one week before her disappearance. IMO that is significant...MOO

Oh, sorry for misunderstanding you liz. I am trying to multi-task today and may be scanning the post too fast.:banghead:

Thank you for taking the time to explain.

IMO

 

[Prof]

That post was brought over from an earlier thread, and was originally posted by Pensfan. It was saying that their earlier home address was found on a list of foreclosed homes.

I think the confusion was how it was saved, if it was so close to foreclosure.
My only question, comes after their long speech about never needing any financial help or ever having to borrow money. How else would they get one home out of foreclosure and land so quickly into a new one, without help or borrowing some money? I guess it just seems odd, to be able to get a bank loan to buy a home after just being in foreclosure one year earlier.

IDK
I have not seen evidence of this on the www.recorder.pima.gov
A reconveyance usually means that a mortgage is paid off.

I have seen evidence of their relations with many banks on the above linked site, so I would assume they have a decent credit history over any other assumption. Yes, I would call my assumption of decent credit an assumption.

It looks to me like they are the average American family doing the best they can to things afloat. I do believe pediatric nurses and dental surgeon assistants make decent money.

It seems a huge leap to me to assume that they did some shady dealing to keep a home.

 

[gitana1]

I think that is a good idea. I do think many people react differently but watching and listening to how the innocent react vs. the guilty is an important thing to do. let me start out with a couple videos:

Breann Rodriguez' father:
08/11/2011: Nancy Grace - Parents Fail Polygraph - Missing Breeann Rodriguez - YouTube
Breann Rodriguez' parents:
08/08/2011: Toddler's Parent's Plea For Safe Return - Missing Breeann Rodriguez - YouTube
(Innocent)

Danielle Van Dam's parents (text only)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91930&page=1#.T6cW9FJwhK0
(Innocent)

Does anyone want to help me add to the list with videos and audio?

Quoting myself to add more. Thanks MsFacetious for the Elizabeth Smart footage!!!!

The Elizabeth Smart Story - YouTube

Really check out Mr. Smart's affect in the clips shown when his daughter disappeared. Also note that he later states it was almost impossible for them to get out in front of the cameras. They could barely stand it.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I know that if, God forbid, my child ever went missing, I would have to return to work after a few weeks.

I simply do not have the financial resources to take an indefinite leave of absence.

And the Celises have not just themselves, but two other children to support.

There is alot I find hinky about this case, but the parents returning to work is, IMHO, not at all hinky.

Just MOO.


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[Prof]

Personally, I think the "adequate" statement made by Lt. Pacheco should be put in the context of the question the reporter asked at the Press Conference on Saturday, May 5.
In light of the question, his statement does not hold as much meaning to me as it seems to do for others. He used adequate as opposed to the reporter's question of how excellent of a job this perp must have done to frustrate/fluster all of the LE involved. Pacheco admitted that the perp did not leave clues LE normally looks for, but he emphasized "adequate" as opposed to excellent. IMO he means the perp did not leaven fingerprints or much oin the way of trace evidence.

LE did state that one of the two FBI dogs (a cadaver dog and a foreign scent dog)hit on something, so they do have something.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IDK
I have not seen evidence of this on the www.recorder.pima.gov
A reconveyance usually means that a mortgage is paid off.

I have seen evidence of their relations with many banks on the above linked site, so I would assume they have a decent credit history over any other assumption. Yes, I would call my assumption of decent credit an assumption.

It looks to me like they are the average American family doing the best they can to things afloat. I do believe pediatric nurses and dental surgeon assistants make decent money.

It seems a huge leap to me to assume that they did some shady dealing to keep a home.

You are exactly right Prof.

reconveyance n. in those states which use deeds of trust as a mortgage on real property to secure payment of a loan or other debt, the transfer of title by the trustee (which has been holding title to the real property) back to the borrower (on the written request of the borrower) when the secured debt is fully paid. Under the deed of trust the borrower transfers title in the real property to the trustee (often a title or escrow company) which holds it for the benefit of the lender (called "beneficiary"). The lender must surrender the promissory note to the trustee who cancels it and then reconveys title and records the reconveyance. (See: deed of trust)

 

[Gardenlady]

I can't believe anyone is faulting the Celis family for putting up a website "too soon".

Contrast this to the reaction that Lisa Irwin's family got on the forums here when they set up a website - "too little, too late!"; "why wasn't this done sooner?!"; "they're doing this because they read people wondering why they haven't done it!"

Lol... All these parents will get crucified no matter what they do, when, and in what order.

And the idea that this little concert at the Church is making anyone money is laughable. I believe the reporter referred to "dozens" in attendance - and the camera shots of the crowd showed that to be pretty accurate - not many people there at all for such a big case. Ad they ended with a free will donation... Not exactly the stuff of financial fleecing. hoh:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Personally, I think the "adequate" statement made by Lt. Pacheco should be put in the context of the question the reporter asked at the Press Conference on Saturday, May 5.
In light of the question, his statement does not hold as much meaning to me as it seems to do for others. He used adequate as opposed to the reporter's question of how excellent of a job this perp must have done to frustrate/fluster all of the LE involved. Pacheco admitted that the perp did not leave clues LE normally looks for, but he emphasized "adequate" as opposed to excellent. IMO he means the perp did not leaven fingerprints or much oin the way of trace evidence.

LE did state that one of the two FBI dogs (a cadaver dog and a foreign scent dog)hit on something, so they do have something.

JMO

In one of the articles I read here from a local news site it said that one of the dogs hit but they did not say which one.

I think it was the foreign scent dog, imo.

IMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Ya got that right! It didn't take long for the merchandising to begin. Website set up when Isabel had only been missing for nine days! The parents said that they would never stop looking for their daughter. Sounds like they're in this for the long "haul" Cha-ching. :twocents:

Where is Isabel?

:seeya:

BBM: I have a question which is probably a "dumb" question but does the website have a "Donate Here" Section ?

TIA !

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:seeya:

BBM: I have a question which is probably a "dumb" question but does the website have a "Donate Here" Section ?

TIA !

That is a good question. I would like to know too as it would save me a lot of time trying to find out where I am to send my contributions.

IMO

 

[callyn]

Ya got that right! It didn't take long for the merchandising to begin. Website set up when Isabel had only been missing for nine days! The parents said that they would never stop looking for their daughter. Sounds like they're in this for the long "haul" Cha-ching. :twocents:

Where is Isabel?

:anguish: :what: Speechless....and that's probably a good thing.:banghead:

 

[packerdog]

I really don't see how posting how much they paid for their house, what amount they put down, how much they make, is any of our business. I would bet that not one poster here would want their personal finances posted. Not to mention they are living a nightmare having their child missing. I don't read the posts about such personal stuff, it would be like looking through their dresser drawers or medicine cabinet.