AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[mck16]

LOL yea there is always that!




Youre right I get butt hurt and sensitive when people pick on men all the time but I am better than that and shouldnt let my emotions get the best of me, what matters most here is where that poor little girl is and what happened to her.

I do agree one way or another it appears we are on the verge of a major case break here, I would suggest tomorrow as there is NO WAY they can keep under wraps very long which parent has the kids, that wont be a secret by tomorrow morning.

And what will be proven when we find out which parent has the children? Without any further details we still won't know anything unless they come out with more evidence pointing to what happened to Isa. jmo

 

[PAXIMUS]

So now what do we think about LE having released their statement that CPS has had a stepped up involvement?

Did they release that because they knew this would be breaking news or did they break the news so that the media would investigate?

I guess the difference would be that they (LE) could be either in the position of attempting to add or decrease pressure on the parents.

I have had more success reading tarot cards and tea leaves than I have in trying to ascertain why LE does what they do, I just dont know what to make of this, I really wish I did but we will probably know something tomorrow because as I said there is no way they can keep under wraps which parent has the kids, the media will be all over this by morning and demanding answers.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree, one would think so, but why has this taken so long. Have the children only been in danger a short time, or has there only been an issue with one of the parents a short time. Just trying to make sense of it. jmo

Maybe we are only just hearing about it...
They did not appear to be together that day when they all met at the house again, IMO...
Hard to say...

 

[PAXIMUS]

And what will be proven when we find out which parent has the children? Without any further details we still won't know anything unless they come out with more evidence pointing to what happened to Isa. jmo

Yes that is true, we might be able to speculate a little more accurately if we find out why the one parent has been denied contact but it will still be speculation at least until there is an actual arrest and this may indeed be a precursor to that, who knows.

 

[Pensfan]

Yes it would be serious to you and I, but to the rest of the world? IDK

I just have to ask...
Why would TPD tell only one station that one very damning detail
(by the response on this thread) of "no contact", after all this time not giving any details

This is something that CPS states to parents (the offender can not make contact) in all domestic violence cases where the offender is told to move out immediately or the non-offender will also lose temporary custody (and possibly permanent custody) of his/her children.

 

[Starry Night]

I am starting to think about what the crime news programs report-the highlights-throughout the case. Most recent being the tape of the 911 call. I think it must be HIGHLY relevant now, in that the caller was a person related to Isabel's mom-(read between the lines here) , as opposed to a(any) 911 call being placed by Sergio AT THE SCENE of the disappearance....did he call at all? If not-why not?
Just thinking off the top of my head here.........

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think CPS would give the children to the parent who was MORE of a POI...so it may tell us something...JMO

 

[Mjskit]

CPS's role is not to provide emotional guidance. CPS's role is to keep children SAFE within their families.
https://www.azdes.gov/main.aspx?menu=154&id=2070

True but sometimes keeping them SAFE means giving emotional/psychological help. Every state is different but I know a few cases where a safety plan was implemented so the parents could get services because they could not afford them (ie mental health and substance abuse). A judge did a NO CONTACT ORDER against my step daughter because she was in to drugs.

 

[Shelby2]

The way the news has come out too, all tonight, a little at a time and as breaking news?

"Breaking News-CPS involved"
"Breaking News-Celis children not in CPS custody"

And one article states that CPS is taking measures to protect the boys and LE will not comment further. Then, LE says they are staying with ONE parent. Another station says there is a no-contact order.

I will be shocked if the parents are involved in hurting Isa. I almost want to stay up all night and see what happens. I know I should get a life but I want to know what happened to her!!
Whoever is involved, whatever. I really want to know what happened to Isabel.

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[ExpectingUnicorns]

LOL yea there is always that!




Youre right I get butt hurt and sensitive when people pick on men all the time but I am better than that and shouldnt let my emotions get the best of me, what matters most here is where that poor little girl is and what happened to her.

I do agree one way or another it appears we are on the verge of a major case break here, I would suggest tomorrow as there is NO WAY they can keep under wraps very long which parent has the kids, that wont be a secret by tomorrow morning.

Well, it is rather nice to see testosterone in action every once in a while, too.

 

[Pensfan]

True but sometimes keeping them SAFE means giving emotional/psychological help. Every state is different but I know a few cases where a safety plan was implemented so the parents could get services because they could not afford them (ie mental health and substance abuse). A judge did a NO CONTACT ORDER against my step daughter because she was in to drugs.

The parent is always seen by CPS as guilty of child neglect if his/her child illegally takes drugs. CPS's safety plan (in which the child received mental health assistance) was implemented because of child neglect. CPS can insert themselves into a child's life only if the child is deemed to be abused or neglected. CPS can't insert themselves and make a case for children who only need mental health services.

 

[txanmom]

The way the news has come out too, all tonight, a little at a time and as breaking news?

"Breaking News-CPS involved"
"Breaking News-Celis children not in CPS custody"

And one article states that CPS is taking measures to protect the boys and LE will not comment further. Then, LE says they are staying with ONE parent. Another station says there is a no-contact order.

I will be shocked if the parents are involved in hurting Isa. I almost want to stay up all night and see what happens. I know I should get a life but I want to know what happened to her!!
Whoever is involved, whatever. I really want to know what happened to Isabel.

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:floorlaugh::blushing: you and me both! I am up waiting to pick up my son from a date at the movies. I am obsessively pressing refresh and WS is not cooperating. I think I need a no contact order from this place....

 

[SmoothOperator]

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But a "no contact order ' is a very serious matter. Also, didn't the news report say that LE has stated that CPS is 'stepping up their involvement " or words to that effect ? It seems likely that there was in fact an open CPS case already...MOO''Because I have NEVER heard of a "no contact " order except in cases of founded abuse situations. It would have nothing to do with a parent's mental health,unless he/she was threatening to kill the children.

No contact orders are a stepping stone to terminating parental rights...MOO

I absolutely agree that NO CONTACT ORDERS ARE A VERY SERIOUS MATTER.. I don't know if they are a stepping stone to termnatng parental rights(they very well could be but that I'm not aware of) ..IMO what I can say as far as these missing children cases where we have seen NO CONTACT ORDERS ISSUED is sadly.. very very sadly it has been the main POI who these orders are issued against. Just a couple are..
Kyron Horman- order was issued on Terri for her daughter(step mom)
Sky Metalwala- order was issued on Julia for her daughter(mom)
Hailey Dunn-while it was not a zero contact however CPS did remove the son from Bullies custody(mom) ..

Those are the ones I've personally followed off the top of my head and I can say that especially in the first two which are ZERO CONTACT ORDERS this has not been temporary but rather long term and again sadly very sadly it is the prime suspect in the child's disappearance.. we do not know which parent it is in this case(I'm waiting as I truly just don't know) ..and I can only pray that in this case there are completely different factors at play here and that it is not like the other cases we've seen.. I'm just listing out what we have seen in our other missing children cases.. jmo.

 

[txanmom]

The parent is always seen by CPS as guilty of child neglect if his/her child illegally takes drugs. CPS's safety plan (in which the child received mental health assistance) was implemented because of child neglect.

WOW, thank you for this info. So, if my son takes drugs even if I do not know about it, that is considered neglect? (BTW, he is a good boy and DOES NOT).

 

[Prof]

I guess I too am in the LINE for ISGAL (I should get a life)

 

[Knox]

Hi everyone. Surprised to see this latest development.

Have any of you have been following the Jhessye Shockley case? I know Gitana1 has, so maybe she can share her view on this. Jhessye's mother (I use that term loosely) was investigated by AZ CPS for abuse a few months before Jhessye disappeared. Prior to that she also served time in a California prison for child abuse of Jhessye's siblings. Long story short, AZ CPS has been under heavy fire recently and Governor Brewer formed a task force to recommend changes to the system.

Isabel's disappearance is a very high profile case and not just in AZ. If something happened to one of her siblings, well ... I have no doubt there is a reason for concern, as TPD has stated. But just wonder if there is a bit of political pressure also?

 

[Pensfan]

WOW, thank you for this info. So, if my son takes drugs even if I do not know about it, that is considered neglect? (BTW, he is a good boy and DOES NOT).

Yes, according to CPS in the state of Pennsylvania where I worked as a psychiatric mental health nurse.

 

[katydid23]

I am wondering if one of the boys told a teacher that one of his parents had been driving them while drunk. If so, LE could not arrest them at the time, but could contact CPS with the accusations, as a way to prevent it from continuing.

 

[Knox]

CPS released a statement Friday, saying:
“The Department can confirm that CPS is working closely with law enforcement to ensure the continued safety of the children. At the present time, the children are not in CPS custody. The Department appreciates the community's support and understanding in protecting the privacy rights and safety needs for these children during this ongoing joint investigation.”

Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...bc3-11e1-b0ae-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1ucwXsMnX
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[dimples37398]

I am not at all surprised by this latest bit of info, although I can't say for sure which parent I think they are staying with. When my daughter was born i had postpartum depression and was having some horrid thoughts, i asked for and got help and was never forced to stay away from my kids

I also have a friend who backed over her own daughter and the daughter died from the injuries, the mom started drinking and driving and taking xanax and driving. She was suicidal and was allowed to supervise her 8 month old son. She didnt drink and drive with him there, but still, she was never told to stay away from her son.