AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[Shelby2]

I too find the release interesting. But maybe TPD felt the media would find out and they would have to address the issue at some point anyway. On the other hand I wonder if this is meant to put pressure on someone?

Me too... But who??

 

[CinnamonGirl]

I can't say I am surprised at the latest news in this case. No contact is pretty serious. And like I said yesterday, LE is getting ready to open this case up, I believe they know and its just taking time to get it all together legally.

 

[katydid23]

That cat looks very wise.

That's because he is a tuxedo cat. The best cats in the world. :cat::cat::cat:

 

[txanmom]

I too find the release interesting. But maybe TPD felt the media would find out and they would have to address the issue at some point anyway. On the other hand I wonder if this is meant to put pressure on someone?

This is true. Not to mention, it was kinda late on a Friday that this was released, wonder if they wanted to sneak it out there slowly. I mean they could have said something at the presser? This is really blowing my mind. Not to mention all this CPS stuff. I had no idea all the things that you can be accountable for as a parent. So many things are really hard to catch if you have a sneaky kid, ya know?

To Pieper, I am sorry about your daughter, thank you for sharing that. I hope things work out in the future - you never see any of that coming when they are those sweet little babes in your arms...

 

[Knox]

Yes, I have known people who were very good at hiding drug addictions. Both were doctors actually. So it can be done. And if anyone was going to lapse and go back to taking drugs, a tragedy like this would be the perfect trigger.

Billie Dunn ... her nursing license was reinstated (LPN) and she was a user. Scary to think people like her work in the healthcare industry!!

 

[Mjskit]

The parent is always seen by CPS as guilty of child neglect if his/her child illegally takes drugs. CPS's safety plan (in which the child received mental health assistance) was implemented because of child neglect. CPS can insert themselves into a child's life only if the child is deemed to be abused or neglected. CPS can't insert themselves and make a case for children who only need mental health services.

The laws vary by state of exactly what abuse/neglect is and the wording of the laws can leave a lot of leeway for CPS to do a safety plan. I have not read Arizona's laws on child abuse so I do not know if it is the case there. Where I live, the fact that a safety plan is in effect means abuse and/or neglect has been substantiated.

I have never heard of parents of children who use illegal drugs being charged with child abuse UNLESS said parent gave them the drugs. Do you know of any?

 

[Knox]

Me too... But who??

The parent who the protection order was filed against :moo:

 

[Isabelle]

I have lots of coffee. And Kahlua.

The Coffee will wire you and the Kahlua will counteract that, sounds good to me, yum!

 

[PAXIMUS]

That cat looks very wise.

HE counsels me well! He knows who is in charge of this household and it aint me!


I am probably wrong about Sergio and the hardened cynics on here will likely be proven right and me wrong, the story of my life, as the chances of CPS removing children from a mother are rare indeed, but I have a hunch that there may be more here than meets the eye.

I dont practice family law and dont know a whole lot of official stuff about how CPS operates but I can tell you that it is indeed very strange and rare that CPS releases this sort of information to the public, it is a big risk because I can tell you as a Tucsonan that there are A LOT of people in this fair city pulling for Becky and Sergio and they are gonna wake up tomorrow extremely disappointed at hearing this news, so this news report better have it right and CPS better have a damned good reason for what is basically going to amount to destroying the good name this family had in the community beginning tomorrow morning.


THIS IS WHY I doubt that they are doing this as a smokescreen to put pressure on someone, this community believes in this family and LE doing this as a shenanigan is going to alienate everyone in Tucson!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Dui, vapors (smoking weed), open container, kids in car, nurse with access to pills etc. Could Becky be fighting addiction? I dont know but it is as good a guess as those who think Sergio is somehow involved with the Mexican drug cartels and in deep enough debt to them that they would take his kid...


MAYBE this is why they dont do a lot of media, one of them isnt fit for being in front of cameras because of drinking problem etc, again I have no clue and this would likely not have anything to do with the case but could be a reason for CPS to step in, IMO if the cops found out something that had to do with the case they would not consult with CPS, cops dont consult with anyone when they have a case break or good info for their case, so this suggests to me UNREALTED TO CASE but likely a parenting problem stemming from stress and pressure because of missing child.

I am probably wrong.

You make a good point, Pax, considering Becky's legal charges on file. It could be true but I keep remembering how fervently her coworkers have supported her. It leads me to conclude that this is not an ongoing problem with her. From my limited experience with medical professionals they would more likely remain silent ~ but not supportive in a situation like this. And they have been her main stream support as far as I can see from all media accounts.

But addiction control is unpredictable and this situation could well bring out the worst case scenario. I would think if she had a break in her remission it was more likely after Isa's disappearance rather than the cause of it, don't you?

 

[Isabelle]

Billie Dunn ... her nursing license was reinstated (LPN) and she was a user. Scary to think people like her work in the healthcare industry!!

If you had any idea what hoops must be jumped through for a very long time, you would be surprised. I know what the RN board required, not sure of LPN, but RN requirements are almost impossible to comply with because they also dictate where and when you can work. the restrictions/requirements are mind-blowing! (I've never had reason to be in one of the programs).

 

[Shelby2]

The parent who the protection order was filed against :moo:

Oh Duh! Time for my coffee I think!
I swear my mind just won't let me go there..

 

[txanmom]

HE counsels me well! He knows who is in charge of this household and it aint me!


I am probably wrong about Sergio and the hardened cynics on here will likely be proven right and me wrong, the story of my life, as the chances of CPS removing children from a mother are rare indeed, but I have a hunch that there may be more here than meets the eye.

I dont practice family law and dont know a whole lot of official stuff about how CPS operates but I can tell you that it is indeed very strange and rare that CPS releases this sort of information to the public, it is a big risk because I can tell you as a Tucsonan that there are A LOT of people in this fair city pulling for Becky and Sergio and they are gonna wake up tomorrow extremely disappointed at hearing this news, so this news report better have it right and CPS better have a damned good reason for what is basically going to amount to destroying the good name this family had in the community beginning tomorrow morning.


THIS IS WHY I doubt that they are doing this as a smokescreen to put pressure on someone, this community believes in this family and LE doing this as a shenanigan is going to alienate everyone in Tucson!

FWIW, when this case broke, I thought the mother had something to do with it. After seeing them on tv and reading here I really believed in them and that they had nothing to do with it. I still don't know what to think, but my thoughts did not automatically go to SC and they still do not. Right now, my thoughts are with those boys. How absolutely HORRIBLE, they lost their sister and now their family is imploding. It is a very very sad night.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Billie Dunn ... her nursing license was reinstated (LPN) and she was a user. Scary to think people like her work in the healthcare industry!!

I know for a fact that a good number of nurses have addiction problems, they work long stressful very hard hours and many of them go home and numb it all away. It is not an easy job.

 

[Knox]

The laws vary by state of exactly what abuse/neglect is and the wording of the laws can leave a lot of leeway for CPS to do a safety plan. I have not read Arizona's laws on child abuse so I do not know if it is the case there. Where I live, the fact that a safety plan is in effect means abuse and/or neglect has been substantiated.

I have never heard of parents of children who use illegal drugs being charged with child abuse UNLESS said parent gave them the drugs. Do you know of any?

My sister has custody of her Grandson (CA). Mom and Dad were both using drugs, there was some neglect but no physical abuse.

 

[PAXIMUS]

You make a good point, Pax, considering Becky's legal charges on file. It could be true but I keep remembering how fervently her coworkers have supported her. It leads me to conclude that this is not an ongoing problem with her. From my limited experience with medical professionals they would more likely remain silent ~ but not supportive in a situation like this. And they have been her main stream support as far as I can see from all media accounts.

But addiction control is unpredictable and this situation could well bring out the worst case scenario. I would think if she had a break in her remission it was more likely after Isa's disappearance rather than the cause of it, don't you?

Yes my guess would be IF this is indeed a problem for Becky it was triggered by the case and probably something she had under control prior.

But I am just grasping at straws here she may be clean as a whistle.

 

[joedotnet]

The Coffee will wire you and the Kahlua will counteract that, sounds good to me, yum!

Party at Isabelle and Shelby's house!



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[liz b.]

HE counsels me well! He knows who is in charge of this household and it aint me!


I am probably wrong about Sergio and the hardened cynics on here will likely be proven right and me wrong, the story of my life, as the chances of CPS removing children from a mother are rare indeed, but I have a hunch that there may be more here than meets the eye.

I dont practice family law and dont know a whole lot of official stuff about how CPS operates but I can tell you that it is indeed very strange and rare that CPS releases this sort of information to the public, it is a big risk because I can tell you as a Tucsonan that there are A LOT of people in this fair city pulling for Becky and Sergio and they are gonna wake up tomorrow extremely disappointed at hearing this news, so this news report better have it right and CPS better have a damned good reason for what is basically going to amount to destroying the good name this family had in the community beginning tomorrow morning.


THIS IS WHY I doubt that they are doing this as a smokescreen to put pressure on someone, this community believes in this family and LE doing this as a shenanigan is going to alienate everyone in Tucson!

Whole lot that LE knows...MOO IMO they are trying to find out what happened to a little 6 year old girl...JMO

 

[cluciano63]

For anyone just logging in, we should probably note that there is NO evidence of any kind of substance abuse as being the reason one of the parents is no longer with children, or allowed to contact them...it is a theory some are exploring...JMO

 

[PAXIMUS]

FWIW, when this case broke, I thought the mother had something to do with it. After seeing them on tv and reading here I really believed in them and that they had nothing to do with it. I still don't know what to think, but my thoughts did not automatically go to SC and they still do not. Right now, my thoughts are with those boys. How absolutely HORRIBLE, they lost their sister and now their family is imploding. It is a very very sad night.

Indeed the real story here is the boys, this cant be easy on them, a month ago or so they were living normal lives and now all of this.


Becky seems a little cold and distant to me but I cant read much in to that as I have known other ladies like that who are peaches in person, absolutely the most loving people I know but in public very seemingly cold and distant. Its a roll of the dice here really.