AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[johnQpublic]

I find RC's interview today very sad. I did not see any hope there. She's leaving it up to fate.

The whole thing is so odd considering that today was not only Mother's Day, it was jthe 15 year anniversary of her marriage to Sergio.
(give her a crystal ball, please)

Maybe she's taking this one day to make it about her, as the interview seemed about her loss. As opposed to the reasoning provided for previous reluctance to be in the public eye.

The whole thing is so sad to me, and very puzzling.
I understand LE's statement about the complexity of this case, more and more every day now.

IMO, about the only real complexity I have seen is the nature of the case itself and attempting to make careful press releases without jeopardizing both the investigate work as well as the prosecutability of the case once they get to that point. LE and JD in AZ are kind of careful not to open the media valve too wide and risk being hit with a mistrial due to creating media bias and making it difficult to find a jury by feeding arm-chair jurors before they even present the case to the DA for trial.

 

[insatiable]

Was it RC headed back to Douglas, AZ or RC's mother? I think it was RC's mom who was headed back to her home in Douglas. She has been with RC for 3 weeks. RC's dad is now married to the "uncle's/cousin's" mom, so it appears RC's parent's are not together as a couple.

RC'S dad is married to uncle/cousins mom? That would make uncle J and RC step siblings.....and uncle J WOULD be an uncle to Isa not a cousin. Am I missing something??

 

[Ransom]

I find RC's interview today very sad. I did not see any hope there. She's leaving it up to fate.

The whole thing is so odd considering that today was not only Mother's Day, it was the 15 year anniversary of her marriage to Sergio.
(give her crystal, a crystal ball)

Maybe she's taking this one day to make it about her, as the interview seemed about her loss. As opposed to the reasoning provided for previous reluctance to be in the public eye.

The whole thing is so sad to me, and very puzzling.
I understand LE's statement about the complexity of this case, more and more every day now.

I agree it's sad. Off to bed before I get called on that carpet again and I am going to just shut the heck up from now on. fftobed:

 

[Prof]

Where is this location compared to Isabel's home? TIA

14100 block of West Manville Road, west of North Avra Road

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q8gEwAA

About 30 miles north west?
5602 E 12th St, Tucson, AZ 85711 to 14100 W Manville Rd, Tucson, AZ 85743 - Google Maps

 

[shana]

I agree it's sad. Off to bed before I get called on that carpet again and I am going to just shut the heck up from now on. fftobed:

Niters, Ransom...and thanks for ALL you bring not only to this case but to so many others on WS!

(sorry for OT...I just felt it needed to be said)

Peace!

 

[johnQpublic]

Just watched that interview of the uncle/cousin from 04MAY2012 and from my behavioral interpretation and the answers he gave regarding LE investigative matters it seems as if he is 'in the loop' as to what was developing in the case and well aware of the delicate nature of the case enough not to comment on LE findings as not to create a wave in LE efforts. He too appears as if it's just a matter of reuniting with Isabel. JMO.

 

[Pensfan]

I wish LE would share what they found on the other videos. Did a car leave Isabel's residence early that morning and quickly return? I am baffled by LE only concentrating their search within 3 miles of Isabel's home? Yeah, bodies are frequently found within 2-5 miles of their home, but LE never expanded this search beyond that area (that we know about). LE also specifically stated to leave the searching up to LE. Weird.

 

[Pensfan]

I am also baffled that the searching seems to have stopped. Why are there not any organized search groups looking for Isabel?

 

[johnQpublic]

I wish LE would share what they found on the other videos. Did a car leave Isabel's residence early that morning and quickly return? I am baffled by LE only concentrating their search within 3 miles of Isabel's home. Yeah, bodies are frequently found within 2-5 miles of their home, but LE never expanded this search beyond that area (that we know about). LE also specifically stated to leave the searching up to LE. Weird.

I have said it before but I will say it again, this is ARIZONA not Florida or any other state. They have a standand posture of not trying cases in the media as it can create prosecution and investigative issues. They do not air out the details of cases very often and usually only issue very vague statements such as 'the dog hit on "something" and we have obtained 'video' or 'evidence' what that video shows is only revealed if they NEED information from the public to gain traction from the video, not to feed the public 'arm-chair jurors' details. LE also has a position of which they would prefer that the public let them do thier job and have very good reasons not to want the public to go on thier own scavenger hunts looking for people or bodies as evidence and case work maybe comprimised by public search efforts plus it makes it more difficult to exclude a person or persons from the case should they actually find something of interest. AZ LE in my opinion has a grip on this investigation and doe's know a great deal more of the situation than what they report publicly.

 

[Deleted member 718]

KGUN news at 10 is on and they are interviewing Becky, she has the kids with her and I must say she is one cool cucumber for everything that is going on in her life, it really seems to me that she somehow knows that Isa is alive and will be home soon, I wonder if she did in fact roll over on Sergio now.


SHE SEEMS A LOT MORE LOOSE AND RELAXED today away from his presence, she does NOT SEEM COLD AND DISTANT in this interview.

Church in the morning with the boys, then in the afternoon back to the house. I didn't see her so much as loose and relaxed. More resigned to her situation. It's Mother's Day and she's on camera. She just seems so passive. IMHO

 

[Prof]

Church in the morning with the boys, then in the afternoon back to the house. I didn't see her so much as loose and relaxed. More resigned to her situation. It's Mother's Day and she's on camera. She just seems so passive. IMHO

"Resigned..."
Makes me want to jump up and down and scream

but I agree...and that is an accurate word.

 

[johnQpublic]

to answer the other question about search area being limited to a 3 mile area and other specific areas of town... in Tucson and Phoenix when looking for a body in the city it's not very difficult to establish a 'foot search' area. There are usually a few places to look and those places are alleys behind homes, the landfill, aquaducts, ponds and rivers. They also have a rather easy way to search the outer parts of town using helecopters that scan for temperature variations unlike most parts of the country AZ does have some highly advanced huey's used for finding bodie's, dope and other things in the desert such as a lost hiker or a underground night rave. Arizona also does not exactly have the type of ground you can just go out and bury a body in very easy... they have very hard ground in most places called caleachy (think spelt correctly) it's pretty hard ground which is even hard to dig in with a pick axe... it's like concrete almost.

 

[pieper4]

I saw a lot more "humanity" in RC's appearance tonight. Less of the pursed lips, more eye contact and less discomfort. Maybe a sense of relief. If so, I imagine it could be due to SC being out of the house...

 

[pieper4]

to answer the other question about search area being limited to a 3 mile area and other specific areas of town... in Tucson and Phoenix when looking for a body in the city it's not very difficult to establish a 'foot search' area. There are usually a few places to look and those places are alleys behind homes, the landfill, aquaducts, ponds and rivers. They also have a rather easy way to search the outer parts of town using helecopters that scan for temperature variations unlike most parts of the country AZ does have some highly advanced huey's used for finding bodie's, dope and other things in the desert such as a lost hiker or a underground night rave. Arizona also does not exactly have the type of ground you can just go out and bury a body in very easy... they have very hard ground in most places called caleachy (think spelt correctly) it's pretty hard ground which is even hard to dig in with a pick axe... it's like concrete almost.

They also have an excellent Quad unit. Perfect for, and often used in, searches of the washes and rougher terrain. I've never understood why we don't have a mounted (equine) group here. Or burros. LOL... In NYC they are used extensively and very effectively in various settings including parkland and semi-rural searches.

It's caliche. And it's harder than poured, cured concrete. But hiding a body doesn't require digging in our terrain. Just brush cover. The critters will clean it within days.

 

[johnQpublic]

There is a mounted SAR-TEC unit, it's just usually only used on trails, I've seen TPD and PPD equine trucks and trailers before, Scottsdale also has a mounted division.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I don't think something about our state has a place on Isabel being missing. She's missing & would appreciate all political or covert information downstairs in their appropiate threads & ads. jmo

Court dockets & jail intake should be updated in the morning hopefully, but honestly I've followed too many cases that weren't in my state & have been trying to help more in AZ. Shame on me. The Sunshine Law gives you so much info. My bad but have family there.

M. Hawkes stated last week that they do conduct searches based on tips of certain areas but nothing has turned up. Tim Miller could be asked by the parents or LE if there is an area to search is my understanding. I'm a volunteer if so.

It feels though tomorrow chit will hit the fan possibly. We'll see.

jmo

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Wonder what interest a gay guy would possibly have in a little 6 year old girl ? MOO

Well yes. I'm unclear whether this question was asked with sarcasm or in agreement with the point (I was trying to make) in my post. The fact, true or not, that Sergio may be effeminate or gay would seem to me to have little to do with her disappearance. I was just a bit surprised that so much bandwidth was filled with the speculation which seems to be unrelated to Isa's whereabouts.

I must not have worded it right.

LE and CPS's "joint investigation" have deemed him such a danger to the family that they have separated him from the children ~ not because they think he might be gay ~ but because he might be a danger to them ~ gay or not. So I don't really understand why there was all the gay/not gay discussion to begin with.

 

[GrainneDhu]

The alternative is to let LE interrogate the parents if they think they are involved in a crime.I am not saying you would prevent it, but it appears the ones we have heard about put a stop to it.

I am familiar with everything you are saying. It appears you are coming from the perspective of the parents being accused when they are not guilty. All the frills of defense attorney tactics are used to prevent the parents from being accused. In the process, the child will never be found. IF LE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY to really interrogate the parent, then perhaps the child may be located.

In the cases we know about, the parents admitted LE gave them a good interrogation and they took it because they knew it would help locate their child.
Finding their child is on their minds, not defending themselves. We don't have the full facts about the cases where LE is pretty sure the parents have something to do with it but I can tell from what we do have, that they're most likely correct.

How many of the parents who lawyered up are innocent? My money is on not many, if any. How many of the innocent ones have ever been locked up? I know of one case. She didn't cry and whine about it either.

fftopic:
I understand what you are saying, however, imo, I think your frame of reference is highlighted by your belief in a legal system that is flawed. I will state this because many jurors have no concept of the term, Reasonable Doubt, and make poor decisions. I don't consider that a good thing and I don't think it is the best legal system there is. If our system assumes people "get the meaning", it is a big problem. Our Justice System depends on it and they are incorrect in thinking jurors understand it...and that is how the Casey Anthonys get away with murder.

In summary, I want to say that I still think this country and the legal system is good except for the jury part. I also admire the profession you have and respect the fact that you want to help those in need.

BBM

There's the case of Riley Fox. Police coerced a false confession out of her father, Kevin Fox and that led LE to ignore some big honkin' clues. For one thing, the perp left his shoes near Riley's body. Not just any shoes, they were shoes that are bought in bulk by the state department of corrections and issued to prisoners.

Not only were those state issued shoes found near Riley's body (and when I say near, I mean within feet), they had the perp's last name written on the insoles. The perp who was already a sex offender and lived within a mile of the Fox family.

Kevin Fox was imprisoned for eight months. He was separated from his wife and son at a time when they desperately needed each other. His son was subjected to an interrogation that was so coercive that it bordered on abusive (watching just part of the videotape of it made my stomach ache).

And it left the perp free to go on to rape another little girl while LE was convinced they had the "real" perp, Kevin Fox.

Me, I'm amazed the perp didn't kill that little girl as well.

Kevin Fox and his now ex-wife (how sad is that?) filed suit and were awarded $8.5 million.

If Kevin Fox had gone into that interrogation with an attorney by his side, I doubt any of the above would have happened. His rights would have been protected and LE would not have been so complacent that they would ignore all the other evidence in the case (which was more than just the shoes).

FWIW, I agreed with the Casey Anthony verdict. The state did not prove murder in the first degree, which is what she was tried for. If she had been tried on some type of manslaughter charges, I believe she would have been found guilty. But the prosecutor in the case chose to charge high, swing big and missed.

 

[johnQpublic]

Well... I'm about to goto bed BUT I agree with Doc on the CHIT and Fan tomorrow theory, I have a reasonable expectation of a court action taking place tomorrow or a major development being unfolded in this case. I have a strong feeling there has been a revelation as to the whereabouts of Isabel and or discovery of some sorts which will lead to her being found rather quickly. Let's pray that this is the situation. Pray for revelations of her welfare and for the person or persons responsible to do the right thing, pray for her comfort and safety, that she be reunited with those she loves. May this situation come to pass. Be specific in your prayer, asking for a child to be found is rather vague if she is already in someones presence, pray for her to be reunited with her loving mother.

 

[ThoughtFox]

So weird that they didn't state whether it was an adult or child, given the high profile missing child case going on :banghead:

It will be interesting to see who this is, and if it is Isabel (I'd really hate that, but if she is dead there is a better chance of finding her killer).

Also, about the length of time. If the body is out in a ranch, I'm guessing there are vultures out there. Read an article lately that vultures can make a body look like its been there for months, when its really been there for weeks.

After going through so many false alarms in the Hailey Dunn case, nothing surprises me anymore. One body they found was reported to be a "young girl," but it turned out to be a man. Human remains are discovered much more often than we expect, I guess.

And someone in a previous post asked if LE would keep it a secret if they found Isabel's body. No, I don't think so. People often think that in many of these cases, but once LE finds a body it is almost impossible to keep it a secret because reporters rush to the scene, and besides that, it wouldn't be ethical to keep something so important a secret.