AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #16

[curiousc]

Well i would think that serious and charges would have been made against him. and the children taken till it was proven he didnt.

this is why i dont think its anything major....like that!

But with a sexual allegation, they don't take away the children until evidence of the allegation is presented and proved. A person I know went through this when her husband was falsely accused.

Now, with Isa gone, perhaps they think this is the reason why she is gone and is taken it very seriously.

IMO

ETA: When there is an allegation, CPS will threaten the mom that they can take away the other kids if it is proved and they would interview the other children. Even go so far as going to the child's school and doing it behind your back.

 

[voice4victims]

I still feel if its cartel related they would take Daddy's only girl. I dont say that to be argumentitive. I just think it would be sending a message taking the lil girl. I dont feel they would take the boys as they're older. The would be harder to control then a 6 yr.old.

 

[Lark2]

It sounds like there have been more than one CPS contacts from reading that article. So it's not just that one incident back in December and this latest one.
IMO

And, oh dear, I now begin to see some motive here for disposing of Isabele other than things getting out of control, an accident, or anger. If CPS was already investigating someone in the family for abuse, then getting rid of Isabele before she could talk/tell might have been a motive.

 

[Shelby2]

Hey, Pax. Hope Mom's doing OK. Figured based on your earlier post that you'd be here hashing out the hash tonight.

Apparently my coffee wasn't strong enough?

 

[No Stone Unturned]

http://www.kvoa.com/news/neighbors-shocked-over-cps-involvement-in-celis-case/

"I said hi how is it going, is there anything our family do to help and Serg Sr. Looked at me and said just pray. And I said we can do that," Pike said.

 

[Donjeta]

It might have been there was not enough evidence at the time and it wasn't considered serious and proven enough to warrant taking the children but it started to look a lot different when one of the children disappeared a few months later, particularly if the worrying incident in December had to do with Isabel and if the family members were questioned about the December thing, whatever it was, and said something inconsistent.

 

[TxLady2]

CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html#ixzz1v6xYCuzW

Uh Oh!!

But, geez, talk about repetition!! The same thing is said in four different paragraphs... that CPS can't discuss what the earlier contact was about, and it is inappropriate for them to comment, but they have been involved from the beginning. And rinse and repeat.

Thanks for the link.

 

[LisaB]

Isabela’s family has ties to Douglas. Her mom Rebecca (Snyder) Celis is a 1995 graduate of Douglas High School and at one time ran for the title of Miss Douglas.

http://www.douglasdispatch.com/articles/2012/05/05/news/doc4fa18d3b1b98f222950905.txt

 

[Lark2]

Question for the locals with "inside info": We've seen the posts about "local buzz" regarding cartel involvement. What about the buzz surrounding the LDT's and the dog hit?

There is info out there on both in cyperspace. What do your sources say about these two items? SInce we can discuss rumor from a local, I would like to hear the LDT rmuor and dog hit rumor from someone with local sources so that we can discuss it here.

 

[Taminator]

I'm just going to backtrack a little, so bear with me.

Remember Nancy Grace continually stating that Isa "usually slept in her brothers' room?"
Well, there's never been any confirmation of that from what I can see and I usually sift through anything NG has to say, BUT I'm seriously starting to wonder if this information was leaked from Isa's school and that is the December CPS connection.

Say Isabel mentioned something about sleeping with her brothers to either a friend (and a teacher overheard) or she said something to a teacher. One of the brothers is 14, so maybe it set off the hinky meter of the teacher. Teacher contacts CPS. CPS does an investigation and finds that nothing is going on, although sleeping with a 10 yo and a 14 yo is weird. Question is, did CPS at any point take any of the children out of the parents' custody? Or did they do an investigation, find nothing was wrong and close the case?

Fast forward...Isa is now missing. Sleeping in her own bed, as CPS recommended (remember, this is just a theory). Coincidence? I don't really believe in coincidences, but my mind has been blown before.

I just always wondered how NG got the info about her sleeping in her brothers' room (not necessarily their bed). Now I'm wondering if there is any truth to it and where it came from. It certainly didn't come from CPS. Their lips are locked tighter than Fort Knox, especially if they've made a mistake (IMO).

 

[Lava]

Good Morning! I hope today is the day Isabel can come home!

Regarding this new news that CPS has been involved with the family before, don't be so quick to think it wasn't something of a sexual nature because CPS didn't do anything. CPS makes mistakes, and it isn't exactly rare. I did a lot of research about CPS/DCF (In Florida) a few years ago and it was really sickening how many children went back to abusive homes, and how many were never removed to begin with. At the time FL DCF had just implemented a new "goal" to have a 50/50 reunification rate. At the time this happened a case I was involved with that was on an "adoption" track all of a sudden, for no reason, went back to a "reunification" track. We have to remember that these are government agencies...they work on percentages, statistics, budgets, what they can put in reports that make them look good, etc.

And of course, just recently in the Bain case there was a sexual allegation that was somehow investigated and nothing was done, and now there is a dead mom and child, and two more child who were victimized.

Point is, the "well obviously it wasn't sexual or they would have been taken" isn't really true.

It is so sad that this family, in the very beginning, looked like your typical American family, I thought it HAD to be a stranger abduction. But as information trickles out I think the family, well someone in the family, looks guiltier and guiltier. This does not bode well for Isabel.

 

[Quizzical]

I think the reference to taking the girl and not the boys was in reference to a possible cartel connection(??) IMO, two boys aged 10 and 14 would serve more of a purpose in the drug/gun cartel smuggling than a 6 year old little girl.

I know next to nothing about these operations except from what I read in articles.

JMO

JMO. If it was a cartel or something similar, I think they would have taken IC in order to control her dad...to get him to do whatever it is they want him to do with assurance he will get her back safe if he follows through. To me, BC seemed very calm in the Mother's Day video and speaks as if she knows IC will be coming home. If it was a cartel thing, I think SC told her what was going on sometime after the 911 call. JMO

 

[DIRK SCHILLER]

I do not get it,
We first heard that Becky went to work as a nurse on the morning of April 21, and that Sergio went to wake their little Isa around 8 a.m., only to find her bed empty and a screen knocked out of her bedroom window. Now we're hearing the couple doesn't live in the same house? Less than a month after the girl disappeared?
CPS considers Sergio a serious enough threat to his older kids that he's been barred from being around them,
I do believe this whole tragic case may be bringing to light other issues inside the Celis household.
If mom still believes dad had nothing to do with her disappearance, why are they living apart?
They were clinging on to each other in the interviews,showing the perfect american family, hmmmm

 

[txanmom]

CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html#ixzz1v6xYCuzW

Thank you for this! I knew it! When I read in another article, that they would not comment as to whether CPS was previously involved I knew this info. was soon to come out.

 

[txanmom]

Just stalked RC's FB-- December is pretty empty of posts in general

Also, we all noticed that there weren't any updates after Easter until she went missing.

 

[carole]

I do not get it,
We first heard that Becky went to work as a nurse on the morning of April 21, and that Sergio went to wake their little Isa around 8 a.m., only to find her bed empty and a screen knocked out of her bedroom window. Now we're hearing the couple doesn't live in the same house? Less than a month after the girl disappeared?
CPS considers Sergio a serious enough threat to his older kids that he's been barred from being around them,
I do believe this whole tragic case may be bringing to light other issues inside the Celis household.
If mom still believes dad had nothing to do with her disappearance, why are they living apart?
They were clinging on to each other in the interviews,showing the perfect american family, hmmmm

BBM


Up until CPS required that dad have no contact with the boys, they were all living together. But they were not living in their home, they have never lived there since Isabel disappeared.

The parents are now living apart because CPS has requested that Sergio have no contact with his sons. The boys are living with their mom.

 

[TxLady2]

I like how the media is saying "police have confirmed this is an abduction" the youtube video from AP did not say that this was a confirmed abduction what they said was ISA did not leave on her own, or wonder away. That could mean that she was drugged and taken somewhere by a family member and killed, which would be a murder not an abduction. Media needs to be clear in what they post, because if I wasn;t following this case so closely I would be terrified that there is someone out there abducting kids from thier bedrooms, which I do not believe is the case. I hope someone in at the press confrence tommorrow plainly asks that question " Is this an isolated incident or should the community be worried" If LE would answer that one question it would clear up a whole lot of stuff.

If she did not leave on her own, and wasn't sleepwalking, it would be classified as a kidnapping/abduction, even if a family member took her. At this point, they have no proof that she is dead, so they can't call it a homicide without the evidence to back it up. They also can't say for sure whether it is a stranger abduction or a family member without evidence, so what else are they supposed to say? As far as confirming whether it was an isolated incident, people watch the news and read the papers, don't they? If this was a case of a serial kidnapper, don't you think the public would pick up on that and be extra cautious? Since there doesn't seem to be any other kids who have been kidnapped from that area in the past few weeks, I assume it's an isolated incident. But it would not take more than one for me to take extra precautions and do everything I could to protect my kids, if I still had kids. One is enough.

 

[white rabbit]

"The earlier case, we are aware of that," Pacheco said. "I don't know if they were open or closed, but there were previous CPS contacts."

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...cle_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html

"Rebecca: We don't have anything to hide. Say what you want to say. We are confident we had nothing to do with it. Go for it. We are strong enough to take it and there is nothing you are going to find on us. Go for it."

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

bbm. you sure about that, RC?

 

[txanmom]

"CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm"
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html

This is usually when an attorney is hired, and in so many cases, a body is not found and it lingers on and on. Please no, please find Isabel. I don't know if anyone is going to spill the secrets of what they know about that night, but I feel someone does know more about what happened to Isabel.

Yep, and I think it was the 14 yo (that saw something out of the ordinary without realizing what it meant), and I think that is why all this is starting to snowball after the reenactment with the beach towel prop! I think SC reenactment was different from the 14 yo. MOO

 

[curiousc]

BBM


Up until CPS required that dad have no contact with the boys, they were all living together. But they were not living in their home, they have never lived there since Isabel disappeared.

The parents are now living apart because CPS has requested that Sergio have no contact with his sons. The boys are living with their mom.

And if the parents didn't comply with this last request, CPS would have gotten an order by the judge and had both children removed from the parents' custody.