AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[mamamia54]

Wow. This question asked today grew legs, a note that Isa left from a reporter(s). I see where you get to scraweled on the wall after it was crayons in the closet but so far, I see no proof? I would some first. In addition, I thought the neighbor heard voices & dogs barking at 6:30 am? I must have missed something today that it happened at 6:00? tia

That was my mistake, pardon, 6:30am.

 

[Kimmer]

I personally feel that once LE and CPS started questioning the 2 brothers, something about this family came out, but the boys were scared that if their Dad found out they told he would harm them, and this is the reason for the no contact as well as I have felt from the beginning that LE knows much much more about this family then we could even theorize and I do feel that they have been trying to put pressure on Dad, I can't figure out why Isa would have slept in her brothers room most night, I have so e ideas why, does that seem odd to anyone else? Also should SC friend Joe that was on NG tonight be giving him updates on the boys even if it is just a ball game?

 

[jennapuppy]

If RC left for work at approx. 6:30, and Sergio got up shortly afterwards, I'm assuming that one of the voices is Sergio's. The other could be Jr or JM (if he was there or nearby - there seems to be some dispute)

As for the time the voices were heard - if the explosion was a transformer and the power went out for a bit, could the time on the neighbor's clock have been off? (assuming she looked at her clock and not her phone) If that's the case, and it was later than 6:30, then the voices could easily have been Sergio and Jr looking for Isa.

 

[jamiect]

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I was away most of the afternoon because my sweet mother in law had a pacemaker put in today so I missed the subject about Isa writing on her closet walls.

Did this come from LE at the PC today which I missed?

It does bring back fond silly memories though because all four of our daughters wrote/drew on the walls when they were young and back then we didnt have something like Mr Eraser either! LOL!

Our youngest daughter buys her daughter crayons that can be washed off because she has a tendency to want to write on every wall they have. :floorlaugh:

I bought some of our grandbabies some paint that they can use to draw thing on the tubwalls when they are taking their baths and it comes right off.:rocker: Thank goodness it comes off of them too.

tia

:what: My mom did the same thing when my kids were younger. I politely thanked her and told her to keep them at her house when the kids had overnight visits. Needless to say, we never saw the paints again.:dunno:

 

[mamamia54]

If RC left for work at approx. 6:30, and Sergio got up shortly afterwards, I'm assuming that one of the voices is Sergio's. The other could be Jr or JM (if he was there or nearby - there seems to be some dispute)

As for the time the voices were heard - if the explosion was a transformer and the power went out for a bit, could the time on the neighbor's clock have been off? (assuming she looked at her clock and not her phone) If that's the case, and it was later than 6:30, then the voices could easily have been Sergio and Jr looking for Isa.

My gosh I never put that together. If it was a transformer that blew, there would have been no electricity. BUT, the neighbor remembers looking at the time, so, soooooooooooo confusing lol.

 

[Stash777]

I wanted to revisit the surveillance video(s) from St. Joseph (where the released video originated) to see what the cameras might possibly pick up. While walking the google guy by the Celis' home, I noticed a gate (which IIRC others have stated). It's not just a gate, though. It looks to be a gate large enough for a car to fit through. The first pic is the view of the gate, and the second pic is the view from E Cooper. All MOO - is it possible that the cameras at St. Joes picked up any suspicious activity but not enough to determine what the activity was? Is it possible the person(s) who took Isa did so through the use of that gate? Would Moore's Security cameras picked up this activity? All MOO and questions I'm throwing out there.

 

[callyn]

When did the word "scrawled" start being used? I never heard the reporter ask anything about walls, or "scrawled on the walls" etc. etc.

I think we have NG to thank for that ullhair: only she said "scraaawled"

 

[Deleted member 718]

IMO Isa's closet wall coloring is just part of the investigation. NG went on to say that Isa's school work was also looked at. So I can see that.

The behavioral unit was there to analyse the situation. Instead of looking for "where is Isa"', they look into "who is Isa". As each of us who are parents, we know our child. LE is trying to do the same by looking into each facet of Isa's life. I do hope they find something.

 

[callyn]

My gosh I never put that together. If it was a transformer that blew, there would have been no electricity. BUT, the neighbor remembers looking at the time, so, soooooooooooo confusing lol.

She said she checked the time on her phone.

 

[Pensfan]

I wanted to revisit the surveillance video(s) from St. Joseph (where the released video originated) to see what the cameras might possibly pick up. While walking the google guy by the Celis' home, I noticed a gate (which IIRC others have stated). It's not just a gate, though. It looks to be a gate large enough for a car to fit through. The first pic is the view of the gate, and the second pic is the view from E Cooper. All MOO - is it possible that the cameras at St. Joes picked up any suspicious activity but not enough to determine what the activity was? Is it possible the person(s) who took Isa did so through the use of that gate? Would Moore's Security cameras picked up this activity? All MOO and questions I'm throwing out there.

Thanks for that! That IS a large gate. Hmmm.

 

[mamamia54]

She said she checked the time on her phone.

Hmmm, well then.....

 

[liz b.]

If RC left for work at approx. 6:30, and Sergio got up shortly afterwards, I'm assuming that one of the voices is Sergio's. The other could be Jr or JM (if he was there or nearby - there seems to be some dispute)

As for the time the voices were heard - if the explosion was a transformer and the power went out for a bit, could the time on the neighbor's clock have been off? (assuming she looked at her clock and not her phone) If that's the case, and it was later than 6:30, then the voices could easily have been Sergio and Jr looking for Isa.

IIRC, she said that she checked her phone...MOO

Always wondered how she was able to hear the men "talking in low voices ". Because she also said that both her dogs and the Celis' dogs were going crazy, and barking.A lot... Just a thought...

 

[mamamia54]

I wanted to revisit the surveillance video(s) from St. Joseph (where the released video originated) to see what the cameras might possibly pick up. While walking the google guy by the Celis' home, I noticed a gate (which IIRC others have stated). It's not just a gate, though. It looks to be a gate large enough for a car to fit through. The first pic is the view of the gate, and the second pic is the view from E Cooper. All MOO - is it possible that the cameras at St. Joes picked up any suspicious activity but not enough to determine what the activity was? Is it possible the person(s) who took Isa did so through the use of that gate? Would Moore's Security cameras picked up this activity? All MOO and questions I'm throwing out there.

Can you look down when walking that route, specifically in front of that big gate to see if it's been being opened and closed on a regular basis? Maybe scrapes from the boards on concrete or scrapes in dirt or gravel or whatever's there on the ground.

 

[johnQpublic]

there is one statement I really love from the chief PC on monday. " it's not so much what we know or think, it's what we can prove in court " - that statement REALLY sticks in my head.

 

[Stash777]

Thanks for that! That IS a large gate. Hmmm.

I can't remember anyone speculating on the gate in this context. From Moore's and/or St Joes cameras, could it have appeared a car pulled into the alley rather than the gate? MOO

 

[marazul]

Always keep in mind that the family has access to the garage from inside the house. So if anyone was taking Isa out of the house, and not wanting to be seen, all they had to do was walk out into the garage, get in a vehicle and leave from the garage.

Correct, but even still, if Sergio alone harmed her and moved her in theory, did he leave in the night without his other 3 family members knowing, or in the morning between RC leaving and the 911 call? In the day, any pedestrian, car in traffic, garbage workers, cameras would have seen his car leave. At night, possibly any late night pedestrians, night traffic, or cameras. Someone has to know if he left his home between everyone getting ready for bed and the 911 call. If he didn't, then in order for him to be involved, someone would have had to come to the house and take her body away.

 

[Pensfan]

Regarding CPS.....

“There have been calls to the residence previously,” Hawke commented. “I can't say specifically that it was the Celis family that lived there when those calls were made. But that's not necessarily unusual.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151941635.html

The word “calls” was plural. This reeks of domestic violence, IMO. I wish the police would release how many times they have been called to the Celis residence. Police report battered women with children to CPS.

 

[Stash777]

Can you look down when walking that route, specifically in front of that big gate to see if it's been being opened and closed on a regular basis? Maybe scrapes from the boards on concrete or scrapes in dirt or gravel or whatever's there on the ground.

I'll try, give me a minute to check.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Could be, but don't really know. I know when my neighbors that are two houses down from me are outside, and under their carport at 12:00 AM, sometimes I think they are talking in my backyard as their voices carry on my very quiet street. :maddening:

Yea, but Alicia said her dog and the Celis' dogs all went nuts at 6:30 am. The same time she also heard the men speaking in a language she didn't understand. I really wish she would have looked out her window then. No, she goes back to sleep until Uncle is banging on her door at 8am.

I think the Celis' dogs were let out at 6:30 and smelled an unfamiliar scent in the backyard. Barking ensued.

 

[pieper4]

LisaB said" Sergio specifically mentioning that everyone took showers.
clipped most except for above,

Anyone wonder, how can 5 people take a shower in so little time, supposedly they got home around 10:30. The time thing to me is SOOOO way off :banghead:

I don't have sons... only nephews. But at those ages a shower lasted all of 14.609 seconds. Just enough to hush Mom or Dad.