AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

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  • #61
Just adding this to my post above.

Rebeccas Celis said, "Everything is Isabel so it's hard to want to walk in there and see all her stuff. Isa had toys she was playing with around the house." Sergio Celis added: "Writing on the wall, the crayon, the words, everything, her pictures, everything on the fridge, absolutely everywhere you look in the house she is there."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ocal/150254045.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
  • #62
Actually, I'm just sitting here thinking about that very thing. I had a very bad childhood, had an abusive mother, she was always on some type of drug and had some very high expectations for me. When I would bring home a B instead of an A, she would lock me in the closet, with a small light and my homework and wouldn't let me out until I was finished. I NEVER wrote on a wall, I didn't dare or I'd be picking up my teeth for a month. This being said, we didn't know about CPS back in those days, I'm 58. Now, from what I gather from Sergio saying that when they got back to the home Isa's writings were all over the walls and it reminded him of her being there and that was difficult, so, I'm just not certain how to take this writing on the wall inside her closet.

I'm sorry you went through that!
Honestly in this case, if she colored on the walls at SC said, at some point mom or dad probably told her not to, so she did it in a less conspicuous place. I remember my daughter used to write her name everywhere on walls, I got onto her about it she switched to furniture.

Question for those who are thinking that SC hurt her, do you all think he left the house in the car in the night to move her body? I can't imagine RC and both boys sleeping through dad leaving the house in the middle of the night. Do you think he disposed of her body between RC leaving and 8am when there was pedestrian and vehicular traffic? I can't make that theory work, curious to hear opinions. This isn't a little house in the woods, it is a busy area both residentially and commercially...
 
  • #63
Just adding this to my post above.

Rebeccas Celis said, "Everything is Isabel so it's hard to want to walk in there and see all her stuff. Isa had toys she was playing with around the house." Sergio Celis added: "Writing on the wall, the crayon, the words, everything, her pictures, everything on the fridge, absolutely everywhere you look in the house she is there."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ocal/150254045.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Could Sergio have been trying to cover his butt at this point or not? IDK either.
 
  • #64
Always keep in mind that the family has access to the garage from inside the house. So if anyone was taking Isa out of the house, and not wanting to be seen, all they had to do was walk out into the garage, get in a vehicle and leave from the garage.
 
  • #65
Just adding this to my post above.

Rebeccas Celis said, "Everything is Isabel so it's hard to want to walk in there and see all her stuff. Isa had toys she was playing with around the house." Sergio Celis added: "Writing on the wall, the crayon, the words, everything, her pictures, everything on the fridge, absolutely everywhere you look in the house she is there."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ocal/150254045.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

He said that! Oh! Thank you, mamamia54.
 
  • #66
Sooo a man fishing sees an explosion...cops thinks its a transformer blowing...and the gal putting the video together seems to think that the explosion may have taken place on 12th st?

Ain't no lakes near the Celis home, certainly not on the same street unless you go straight west for several miles and even then, Reid Park's pond isn't really on a line with 12th st...

sometimes a transformer blowing is well, just a transformer blowing. They WILL wake you up, sounds like a freaking cannon going off, had 2 go outside my apartment one hot summer...mind you my teenage sons slept thru the first one. God I wish I could sleep like that...
 
  • #67
Always keep in mind that the family has access to the garage from inside the house. So if anyone was taking Isa out of the house, and not wanting to be seen, all they had to do was walk out into the garage, get in a vehicle and leave from the garage.

But then how does the screen get pushed out instead of in? Was Isa possibly so scared that she was attempting to GET OUT that window, it's puzzling to me.
 
  • #68
Bringing Smooth Operator's post over from the closed thread.

SmoothOperator
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Wow just wow! Children who have been writing on their closet walls has just taken the most sinister turn I've yet to see.. in fact we won't even call IT what IT is but instead we will now term it as children "scrawling" on their closet wall...wow that alone changes the entire tone of it...

Furthermore it is now automatically being assumed that the child wrote...er...um I mean scrawled on their closet wall that the child HAD TO HAVE BEEN IN EXTREMELY DIRE AND DEADLY OF SITUATIONS UPON WHICH SHE SCRAWLED ON THE WALLS.. such as either having been locked into her closet by an evil parent or in such fear of a monstrous parent she sought refuge hiding and "scrawling" those most hideous and deadliest of secrets upon the closet walls..

Moo but this is a very dangerous path to take in making extremely large assumptions along with tagging extremely dramatic and sinister accusations of what MUST DEFINITELY BE THE CAUSE/REASON FOR CHILDREN WRITING ON THEIR CLOSET WALLS.. IMO ludicrous and outright nutty to state that writing on the inside of a child's closet is indicative of severe nefarious issues within that home! GMAB!!

as posted earlier not only was I writing on the inside wall of my walk in closet prior to the age Isa is now. But furthermore what wide ranging "scrawling" was on my wall was from who I"liked" who I may have hated one week.. one day at some point in my childhood(and yea maybe it even stated one of my parents who I was mad at in that moment in time) ..to written made up codes or passwords to the hidden "secret" from my over active imagination..to even some damn lips I actually drew at one point on that closet wall Where id pretend I was kissing some boy in whatever imaginary scene I had going on in my head..

My Good Gawd I can only imagine What would being said about my scrawling on the inside of my closet.. if going with the avenue that's present it'd be said I was locked in my closet by the abusive evil parents that id scrawledthat I hated on that wall.. along with those scrawlings about secrets and codes and heaven forbid you add in some lips to practice smooching a boy.. well then without a doubt that secret must be that I'm being sexually molested by that evil parent that id wrote that I hated..again GMAB!!!

I was never locked nor did I hide in my closet from any abuse...and neither of my parents ever abused me!

GOOD GAWD!

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I was away most of the afternoon because my sweet mother in law had a pacemaker put in today so I missed the subject about Isa writing on her closet walls.

Did this come from LE at the PC today which I missed?

It does bring back fond silly memories though because all four of our daughters wrote/drew on the walls when they were young and back then we didnt have something like Mr Eraser either! :) LOL!

Our youngest daughter buys her daughter crayons that can be washed off because she has a tendency to want to write on every wall they have. :floorlaugh:

I bought some of our grandbabies some paint that they can use to draw thing on the tubwalls when they are taking their baths and it comes right off.:rocker: Thank goodness it comes off of them too. :)

tia

lol.. Oh the latest "scrawlings on the wall".. That's what began my rant regarding my very own "scrawlings" on my closet walls.. I must admit its a detail that I've not only NEVER brought up or discussed in all my life.. But something I'd not even thought of probably in more than two decades.. Lord I never knew there'd come a day where my childish "scrawlings" could be seen as possible signs of something nefarious going on in my home life.. But as of today due to the fact that some reporter asked a question of Ofcr Hawke in today's presser wanting her to comment on a rumor of there possibly having been something written on a closet wall in Isa's room.. Ofcr Hawke stated she knew nothing of what they were speaking..

Well.. That quickly blossomed into this rumor possibly being a LE leak???? Say what??.. LE "leaked" it, then when a reporter brings it up at a presser(where one would think would be the intended place/time for the leaked info to now be brought out).. But yet LE states(with demeanor that matched) that she had no knowledge of writings on the wall..
Moo of course but I found it much more likely to have come from something like throughout the course of having the family home thoroughly searched that writing was found on Isa's wall(in closet) and that the family and friends among thousands of other details were possibly discussing this detail as well.. And well from there Aunt Jojo was overheard by Suzy telling Aunt Lulu and Suzy told her BFF whose mother's husband's sister's daughter is a weekend segment producer for KVOA or KGUN there in Tucson.. Lol.. I think you catch my drift, OBE..lol.. That this detail has now sprouted root and boy wouldn't ya just know it that of all the damn days for Nancy to actually be "on time" With her BOMBSHELL FOR THE NIGHT.. Yep!! You guessed it.. It's today that she finally gets on the ball and isn't a day late with her info.. It's today and today's rumor of the "scrawling on the wall".. Yes it's none other than there where this detail really spread like wildfire and grew into "scrawling" rather than writing.. Oh brother.. Go figure?!?! Scrawling and hiding or being locked in her closet by the monster parent(s) and scrawling the family's deepest darkest secrets upon her closet wall..or maybe even right that very night as she was being abducted.. Isa was able to somehow run into the closet to scrawl the answers and name of her abductor on the closet wall.. Take your pick of any of the above.. Or any other wild tall tale that may come to mind and plug it into the case here of Isa's abduction..

Oh brother!! .. So ya see it's the ludicrous notion that a child's writing on the wall is indicative of nefarious issues in the home that sent me off in blurting out my secret boyfriend lips I drew on my closet wall among various other crazy and nonsensical writings of a child..lol..

Hope that helps make ATLEAST a little more sense of after being away all afternoon and you only to return and read my crazy azz post:crazy:..lol..:D

(eta- hope your MIL is doing well after having her pacemaker put in)


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  • #69
But then how does the screen get pushed out instead of in? Was Isa possibly so scared that she was attempting to GET OUT that window, it's puzzling to me.

Screens can be pulled off from the outside, then can be pushed out from the inside and they can fall off on their own.

I don't think Isa was afraid of anyone that came to get her.
 
  • #70
I have three posts/comments that I couldn't post since the past thread was closed before I was finished reading it:

Post #883... Abstra.. I was trying to type on my iPad, and that is a challenge for me. But I was just adding to Joe's bribe to get local sleuthers to go to the courthouse to get info. regarding the case. Joe offered meals and gas (I believe) and I offered coffee. :coffee:

Post # 17... Marazul.. That was a darling story about you writing a note to the new owners of your house! Did you ever buy it back like you wrote? And did they keep your room the same color like you requested? :smile:

Post # 927... Clu... you brought up a very interesting pattern in these missing children cases, and that is:
Abductions by person(s) outside the parents... bodies found relatively soon.

Abductions (suspiously seeming) from parents... bodies not found!

Thank you in advance, Sleuthers, for letting me clarify and share!

Carry on!:seeya:
 
  • #71
IF Isabel scrawled on her wall...it MAY be important only because SHE happens to be missing...JMO
 
  • #72
Screens can be pulled off from the outside, then can be pushed out from the inside and they can fall off on their own.

I don't think Isa was afraid of anyone that came to get her.

Ok, and could the talking that the neighbor overheard at 6:00am, been going on inside the room as opposed to outside? I mean if there was nothing in the window and it was open, could the sound have carried like it sounded as if they were actually standing outside?
 
  • #73
When did the word "scrawled" start being used? I never heard the reporter ask anything about walls, or "scrawled on the walls" etc. etc.
 
  • #74
Ok, and could the talking that the neighbor overheard at 6:00am, been going on inside the room as opposed to outside? I mean if there was nothing in the window and it was open, could the sound have carried like it sounded as if they were actually standing outside?

Could be, but don't really know. I know when my neighbors that are two houses down from me are outside, and under their carport at 12:00 AM, sometimes I think they are talking in my backyard as their voices carry on my very quiet street. :maddening:
 
  • #75
That "alein" site is not a reputable MSM site; just someone's personal website, of which, we don't link to sites like this, IIRC.
Understood! But it was nice for a few seconds to contemplate a kind and wonderful alien family abducting Isabel rather than what it appears likely occurred to her.
:ufo:
 
  • #76
Understood! But it was nice for a few seconds to contemplate a kind and wonderful alien family abducting Isabel rather than what it appears likely occurred to her.
:ufo:

Totally love the Alien Spaceship ... made my night!
 
  • #77
Ok, and could the talking that the neighbor overheard at 6:00am, been going on inside the room as opposed to outside? I mean if there was nothing in the window and it was open, could the sound have carried like it sounded as if they were actually standing outside?
With the 5 foot wall beside that neighbor's window, sounds from elsewhere could bounce.
 
  • #78
Bringing Smooth Operator's post over from the closed thread.

SmoothOperator
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Wow just wow! Children who have been writing on their closet walls has just taken the most sinister turn I've yet to see.. in fact we won't even call IT what IT is but instead we will now term it as children "scrawling" on their closet wall...wow that alone changes the entire tone of it...

Furthermore it is now automatically being assumed that the child wrote...er...um I mean scrawled on their closet wall that the child HAD TO HAVE BEEN IN EXTREMELY DIRE AND DEADLY OF SITUATIONS UPON WHICH SHE SCRAWLED ON THE WALLS.. such as either having been locked into her closet by an evil parent or in such fear of a monstrous parent she sought refuge hiding and "scrawling" those most hideous and deadliest of secrets upon the closet walls..

Moo but this is a very dangerous path to take in making extremely large assumptions along with tagging extremely dramatic and sinister accusations of what MUST DEFINITELY BE THE CAUSE/REASON FOR CHILDREN WRITING ON THEIR CLOSET WALLS.. IMO ludicrous and outright nutty to state that writing on the inside of a child's closet is indicative of severe nefarious issues within that home! GMAB!!

as posted earlier not only was I writing on the inside wall of my walk in closet prior to the age Isa is now. But furthermore what wide ranging "scrawling" was on my wall was from who I"liked" who I may have hated one week.. one day at some point in my childhood(and yea maybe it even stated one of my parents who I was mad at in that moment in time) ..to written made up codes or passwords to the hidden "secret" from my over active imagination..to even some damn lips I actually drew at one point on that closet wall Where id pretend I was kissing some boy in whatever imaginary scene I had going on in my head..

My Good Gawd I can only imagine What would being said about my scrawling on the inside of my closet.. if going with the avenue that's present it'd be said I was locked in my closet by the abusive evil parents that id scrawledthat I hated on that wall.. along with those scrawlings about secrets and codes and heaven forbid you add in some lips to practice smooching a boy.. well then without a doubt that secret must be that I'm being sexually molested by that evil parent that id wrote that I hated..again GMAB!!!

I was never locked nor did I hide in my closet from any abuse...and neither of my parents ever abused me!

GOOD GAWD!

****************************************************************

I was away most of the afternoon because my sweet mother in law had a pacemaker put in today so I missed the subject about Isa writing on her closet walls.

Did this come from LE at the PC today which I missed?

It does bring back fond silly memories though because all four of our daughters wrote/drew on the walls when they were young and back then we didnt have something like Mr Eraser either! :) LOL!

Our youngest daughter buys her daughter crayons that can be washed off because she has a tendency to want to write on every wall they have. :floorlaugh:

I bought some of our grandbabies some paint that they can use to draw thing on the tubwalls when they are taking their baths and it comes right off.:rocker: Thank goodness it comes off of them too. :)

tia

I'm thinking I should check on all the closet walls in the house. My daughter would write on walls in areas where she thought she wouldn't get caught.
 
  • #79
Wow. This question asked today grew legs, a note that Isa left from a reporter(s) question in the presser today. I see where you get to scraweled on the wall after it was crayons in the closet but so far, I see no proof? In addition, I thought the neighbor heard voices & dogs barking at 6:30 am? I must have missed something today that it happened at 6:00? tia
 
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