AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[Shelby2]

I could see that, if they were having trouble with a teen, for example, except RC strikes me as being rather private...also being a nurse, seems she would have access to other services or counseling, for example. There is a stigma attached to the very idea of CPS for many. JMO

You're probably right. I don't know how things work in AZ, but here if you are involved with DCF they provide a lot of services that insurance wouldn't cover, like home visits, parent 'partners', etc, sometimes twice a week. And since RC is a Pediatric ER Nurse, she probably comes in contact with them now and then, could have asked for advice?

 

[cluciano63]

You're probably right. I don't know how things work in AZ, but here if you are involved with DCF they provide a lot of services that insurance wouldn't cover, like home visits, parent 'partners', etc, sometimes twice a week. And since RC is a Pediatric ER Nurse, she probably comes in contact with them now and then, could have asked for advice?

Except nothing so far explains the "no contact" business...at least not for me.

 

[DIRK SCHILLER]

I´ve read this, police won´t comment on that, but I do believe it happend:

Hawke also did not answer questions about anonymous and unconfirmed reports that investigators found a message apparently written by Isabel on her closet wall.

apologizes if discussed before!!!

 

[Shelby2]

Except nothing so far explains the "no contact" business...at least not for me.

Oh me either!!!

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

Zuckerschnecke, that's where I am now. Your old neighbors sounded terrible to live near.

Oh they were a nightmare. They lived in the back house from the street behind us and since we parked in the back in our shared alley, we always saw them going in and out. One time, this guy had blocked me in and my house mate neighbor blocked HIM and called the cops. We were just tired of it. This crazy crack head comes out and barrels between our two cars to get his car out, damaging my car and my neighbors. He was CRAZY! Then about a month later, we get a call from not the cops but a BOUNTY HUNTER, who was looking for this guy as he was wanted for dealing. He recommended my neighbor and I to move away! These guys are scary. I've never done meth of course but Ive seen A LOT of people on it and let me tell you, they are not in their right mind. I can't see that the parents are 'on drugs' but there are many people in this world that are all 'say no to drugs' but are okay with dealing or financing.

 

[MBK]

Okay, just had this thought while taking a bath getting ready for work:

Sergio "says" that they all took their showers that evening. I would assume that this would include Isabel. (I would think bath, but I'm old-fashioned that way.)

Now, when the 14 year old is asked what Isabel was wearing during his 911 call, he assumes that she's wearing pyjamas, but has no details. In other words, that's what she USUALLY wears to bed.

Are you gonna tell me that she had a shower, hair braided, and gets BACK in her street clothes, so to speak? IF she had PJ's and normally wears PJ's?

What was she wearing that day? Is this the same outfit? I think that if she had been wearing PJ's, the mom would have said, she had on blue PJ's with an American flag or whatever, not that she was wearing shorts and a top, etc.

IMO, she NEVER went to bed.

(I dunno, this all seemed significant to me while I was in the bathtub!)

 

[Eileen730]

I caught one piece of Nancy Grace last night and a caller said....

Remember Zahara Baker's dad when he called 911 and he chuckled also in his call.

What is it with PPL?
What could be humorous about a missing child!

 

[MBK]

In addition, from my observation, kids wear their little league uniforms directly to the game . . they don't get there and change. SO, if as people here have speculated, Isabel was wearing "tomorrow's clothes" to bed, I think Mom at least would have said she was wearing her uniform, or whatever it was that they wore for the games. To me, what she wore that day and what she wore to bed, and if they are the SAME outfit, is highly significant. Wish we know what she had on that day.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Bomb shell tonight! A six-year-old child used a crayon to write on the walls. (Good grief!)

Reeeeeeeeeeal bomb shell tonight! Someone abducted NG's hair and this was not CPS's first visit to the Celis home. I'm filing the cartel possibility in the trash.

I'm generally pretty tolerant of people mispronouncing words. I'm sure I do plenty of it myself.

But every time NG mispronounces "bombfizzle" as "bombshell" it just grates on me.

 

[white rabbit]

ok 31 pages later is this an accurate summary? TIA

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...cle_22dbd07c-a068-11e1-bd01-001a4bcf887a.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17/officials-went-to-missing-az-girl-home-last-year/

"Hawke said police have gone to the home before, but she would not provide details or dates for the contact."

"Tucson police spokeswoman Sgt. Maria Hawke confirmed the visit Thursday but says she couldn't provide the circumstances that prompted it.

State child welfare agency spokeswoman Tasya Peterson declined to confirm the visit."

 

[Patty G]

I just looked, it doesn't seem like the gate has been opened or closed lately, in looking at the google earth image. Just wondered. See what you think.

Keep in mind the photos on google are from January 2008. ~ 4 1/2 years ago

 

[~n/t~]

Okay, just had this thought while taking a bath getting ready for work:

Sergio "says" that they all took their showers that evening. I would assume that this would include Isabel. (I would think bath, but I'm old-fashioned that way.)

Now, when the 14 year old is asked what Isabel was wearing during his 911 call, he assumes that she's wearing pyjamas, but has no details. In other words, that's what she USUALLY wears to bed.

Are you gonna tell me that she had a shower, hair braided, and gets BACK in her street clothes, so to speak? IF she had PJ's and normally wears PJ's?

What was she wearing that day? Is this the same outfit? I think that if she had been wearing PJ's, the mom would have said, she had on blue PJ's with an American flag or whatever, not that she was wearing shorts and a top, etc.

IMO, she NEVER went to bed.

(I dunno, this all seemed significant to me while I was in the bathtub!)

I posted a similar thought the other day and was told by some WS members who live in hot climate States that it is not unusual to wear shorts and tank top to bed.

I agree with you. If the brother mentioned pajamas, I'm guessing he has seen her wearing pj's in the past. Perhaps the basketball shorts and top were her pj's? IDK

 

[FrayedKnot]

Yeah, no kidding. Everything from camp stoves in a corner of vacant property to 2 liter bottles and Gatorade jugs. Most insidious drug ever in my mind. And Tucson *does* have a significant meth problem in certain areas/populations.

Ugh. It's everywhere. And not to make light of it, but when I have a cold, I want, no, NEED, my good ole Sudafed. The original (not that crap they have on the shelves now), and to get it, I have to ask the pharmacist (feeling like I am asking for crack) and then submit my driver license, passport, immunization records, car title, blood sample and undergo a full cavity search.

As if I weren't feeling bad enough because of the cold. Stupid meth heads.


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[oh_gal]

Re: laughing during 911 calls

Some people laugh during times of stress, and they are innocent of committing crimes. I'm not suggesting innocence in this case, because I don't know enough about it, but as someone who has, at times, laughed at times that others may deem "inappropriate", I just wanted to throw that out there. For me (as well as others, I'm sure) it is a coping mechanism when dealing with extremely difficult situations. I feel like a complete idiot when I do it, but the laugh just slips out before I know it.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Police aren't giving up and neither are volunteers. On Thursday evening, more than a dozen gathered near Broadway and Craycroft to redistribute hundreds of flyers.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18535403/volunteers-repapering-streets-with-missing-isabel-flyers

More than a dozen? That's all?

Sadly, it seems that is what happens when the parents aren't out there, keeping their baby's name alive so that everyone is looking for her and talking about her. This always happens. JMO


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[FrayedKnot]

Okay, just had this thought while taking a bath getting ready for work:

Sergio "says" that they all took their showers that evening. I would assume that this would include Isabel. (I would think bath, but I'm old-fashioned that way.)

Now, when the 14 year old is asked what Isabel was wearing during his 911 call, he assumes that she's wearing pyjamas, but has no details. In other words, that's what she USUALLY wears to bed.

Are you gonna tell me that she had a shower, hair braided, and gets BACK in her street clothes, so to speak? IF she had PJ's and normally wears PJ's?

What was she wearing that day? Is this the same outfit? I think that if she had been wearing PJ's, the mom would have said, she had on blue PJ's with an American flag or whatever, not that she was wearing shorts and a top, etc.

IMO, she NEVER went to bed.

(I dunno, this all seemed significant to me while I was in the bathtub!)

No, no! It makes PERFECT sense

In other words, if the outfit she wore to the ball field was the outfit she was described as having last been seen in, why would she re-dress in dirty clothes after taking a shower?

It doesn't seem likely and that would suggest that either she never took a shower that night (because she never made it home?) or that everyone in the family reported Isa as wearing something she wasn't (why would they do that?-what would that hide?).

We need to see pics/video of the ball park that night to see if Isa shows up anywhere. Whatever happened to LE's request for any images from that night? I haven't heard any follow up.

JMO


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[Patty G]

Pajama Sets Sold At WalMart

http://www.walmart.com/search/searc...38&search_query=pajama+set&cat_id=5438_133202

Shorts and T-Shirts are normal night attire for children during the summer or warm states. Some PJ sets are cute enough to wear outside too!

 

[Gardenlady]

Cold states too, for shorts/tanks to bed. Even in winter here, with our old drafty house, I dress lightly for bed, because I always am hot. 2/4 of my kids do this too. My daughter is shorts/tank or tee all the time even now as a teen, and my son who is Isa's age wears just his favorite pairs of loose "boxer" shorts and no shirt. Funny part is, he keeps his socks on, because he doesn't like cold feet. We tell him he looks like a little old man. :crazy:

Not sure we can read too much into the pj/clothes thing.

Hoping for news today... Poor Isa.

 

[~n/t~]

Pajama Sets Sold At WalMart

http://www.walmart.com/search/searc...38&search_query=pajama+set&cat_id=5438_133202

Shorts and T-Shirts are normal night attire for children during the summer or warm states. Some PJ sets are cute enough to wear outside too!

IIRC, the shorts were described as basketball shorts.

 

[~n/t~]

AMW - blue tank top and navy blue basketball shorts

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=79914